Posted: Thursday, July 30, 2009, 9:43 AM | 12 comments |
 
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Time to continue our Q&A with Bill Barnwell, managing editor of Football Outsiders.

If you missed our first part about the Eagles and short yardage, or are wondering exactly what Football Outsiders is, click here.

Also, last night, we updated news on Hollis Thomas, Derrick Burgess and more first-round picks signing.

And don't forget to join me for a live chat at 2 p.m.

OK, now on to the Q&A with Barnwell. As the author of the Eagles chapter in the Football Outsiders Almanac, Barnwell examined a constant criticism of Andy Reid, Marty Mornhinweg and the Birds' offense: they pass too much.

Q: You wrote about the Eagles' "pass-happy" offense. What did you find? Do they pass significantly more than other teams? Does this hurt them?

A: We're probably the only people in the world outside of the Eagles organization that think their pass-to-run ratio is just about perfect. The first article we wrote at Football Outsiders and our reason d'etre was to analyze a Ron Borges piece in the Boston Globe about "establishing the run". Our founder, Aaron Schatz, compiled the play-by-play and found that run attempts in the first half bore no correlation to winning -- it was, instead, run attempts in the second half that had a significant relationship to winning. That's because teams that are ahead in the second half run the clock out; instead of teams "Running to Win", they really "Win To Run". So next time you see one of those stats like "The Eagles are 15-1 when Brian Westbrook gets the ball 30 times", realize that what they're examining with that statistic is the effect, not the cause.

The problem for the Eagles is first down, where they do throw the ball too much. The average NFL team throws the ball 48.5% of the time on first down, and gains an average of 6.6 yards per attempt; the Eagles throw the ball 53% of the time, but only gain an average of 5.9 yards per attempt. Meanwhile, the Eagles gain 4.2 yards per rush attempt on first down, while the league average is 4.3.

Philly also throws the ball more often than league average on second down (58.2% of plays versus a league average of 53.8%) and third down (78.5% of plays versus a league average of 75.6%), but they're more successful in those situations than the rest of the league is. (The Eagles only had an average of 6.4 yards to go on third down, the fifth-fewest in the league.)

If there was one specific situation where the Eagles should definitely run the ball more often, though, it's second-and-short (three yards to go or less). A league average team gains 3.7 yards on running plays in that situation, and 6.0 yards on pass plays -- naturally, teams have the option of going deep in that situation and taking a shot downfield. The Eagles do that too frequently, and they don't succeed often enough. Although the Eagles average 4.1 yards running the ball on second-and-short, they only average 4.3 yards passing the ball.

My take: First of all, thanks to Bill for taking the time to provide so much depth with his answer. I thought the stat about the Eagles having an average of 6.4 yards to go on third down last season (fifth-fewest in the league) was particularly interesting. You always hear coaches talk about getting the offense in manageable third-down situations, and the numbers show the Eagles did a good job of that last season.

As for the rest of the post, I agree with Bill for the most part. If you go back to my posts last year, I very rarely whined about the team's pass-to-run ratio. I argued that the team just wasn't running the ball effectively enough in certain situations. The whole "run the ball" thing has become a crutch for some, who use it to explain every failure we see with the Eagles.

Do they need to get better at running the ball? Absolutely. And I think you saw them address that through their offseason moves.

But last year, I thought the problem was that they didn't run the ball effectively when they needed to, not that they didn't run the ball enough.

Coming later today, Barnwell takes a look at the turnover on the offensive line. Plus the live chat at 2. Plus the first full-squad practice at 3:30.

Posted by Sheil Kapadia @ 9:43 AM  Permalink | 12 comments
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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:59 AM, 07/30/2009
    Interesting...
    phillyinATL
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:33 AM, 07/30/2009
    Yards per pass attempt is a key stat. Dynasties have great YPA for, and, on defense, have a low YPA against. Throwing efficiently wins.
    Warhound
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:51 AM, 07/30/2009
    Amen FlyersFan. This analysis is flawed because it looks at pass attempts not pass completions. The 3 and outs wears down the D, so they are ragged out at the end of game when they need a big stop. Even the two 1st quarter TOs don't give the D enough rest. We need more running in the 2nd half.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:17 PM, 07/30/2009
    please re-print this story every monday. please paste this story on andy reid's winshield. please paste this story on marty mornighwig's tv please paste this story on joe nickles banner's face please past this story on andy reid's menu collection plaease paste thsi story at all detention centers so ANDY SEES IT !!
    daveH
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:14 PM, 07/30/2009
    I think Andy should just put all his plays on a big wheel of fortune type contraption and spin it to pick each play. The opposing defense will not know how to defend this because all logic and predictability will go right out the window.
    rwright611
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:16 PM, 07/30/2009
    Good article though for some insight into the pass vs run talk and backed up by some stats. I never have a problem with the throw on 1st down, but like others its when were forced into third and short by wasting 2nd down. Then the run is harder to disguise on 3rd down so we throw again leaving the D not enough rest. Last year was just brutal because the other teams knew we couldn't pound out some yards. Lets hope were better at that this year, Id love to see a few games where we establish some tough running, so more of a game to game change rather than possession to possession.
    peteike
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:20 PM, 07/30/2009
    So we pass 5% more on first, 5% more on second, and 5% more on third down than everyone else. That's significant. Next we should compare our stats against all the playoff teams to see how different our play calling is from theirs.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:25 PM, 07/30/2009
    Clearly they have a good idea of what they need to do. They wouldn't be successful if they didn't. We've become so accustomed to winning that a slight problem all of a sudden means they know nothing. I think the Eagles' off-season moves of getting top notch O-linemen and a good fullback shows that they at least have the intention of running the ball more effectively. Their run/pass ratio will likely never change. Just get used to it.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:25 PM, 07/30/2009
    Teams have had some good success with past first/run the ball effectively when you do run it. But, there's no substitute for being able to run the ball any time you want to and getting three to five yards. Smashmouth offense. If the Eagles can do that, they will be very very tough to beat. It's very demoralizing for defenses, and given their offensive weapons, the passing game then becomes deadly.
    tacklinjoe
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:23 PM, 07/30/2009
    Interesting, but stats can be manipulated many different ways to paint the picture you want to make. What's lost in this analysis is the inherent problem with a pass-happy approach. Teams know the Eagles pass early and often, and build their defensive schemes accordingly. Play-action becomes ineffective. How many times have we heard on Monday that opposing defensive players knew what the Eagles were going to do in a given situation. We're too predictable. Opposing LBs and DEs pin their ears back and zero in on DMac with little worry about Westbrook taking a hand-off up the middle. I'd like to see the stats on the number of times McNabb gets hit every game vs the league average. Then do a correlation between QB hits and W-L record.
    CaptMorgan
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:28 PM, 07/30/2009
    good article/presentation of stats...good point flyerfan i think us eagles fans just know that in the nfc beast u got to have that smash mouth on the rolodex especially when the elements start being a factor...i do think the run game helps the oline get in a good groove and makes pass protection easier but what do we know...go birds
    dsoul


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