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Thursday, July 9, 2009

.Michael vs. Michael?

Have to admit, when I read this headline the other day in the Wall Street Journal, I thought it was a comparison of icons. Michael Jackson or Michael Jordan?

It wasn’t, so permit me to introduce the debate on this blog, with these parameters: Which of these two has affected the world more? Remember, it’s the world, not the United States, and it is not simply a music or sports debate.

People who think Jordan spread his sport to the four corners tend to be young, or don’t remember the Dream Team in Barcelona very well. The headliners that Olympiad were Magic Johnson and Larry Bird and Charles Barkley, and already by then there were professional leagues throughout Europe, in places like Spain and Greece.

But there is no question Jordan took that ball and ran with it. Shoes, clothes, movies, commercials – the silhouette of him with the ball over his head is still nearly as recognizable as the swoosh.

Jordan never used that power to champion a cause, to become the face of something like Jerry Lewis is the face of MS. Jackson did that to a degree. Bob Geldof of the Boomtown Rats should always be credited with igniting the campaign to stamp out hunger and Aids in Africa, but Jackson’s ``We are the world’’ song became its identity. Quincy Jones called it his best song (I’ll take anything from ``Off The Wall’’ over it.)

Jones wrote this on his blog the other day: ``Shortly after "Thriller" came out and simply chewed up everything in its way, I went to see Count Basie at the Palladium with Benny Carter and Ed Eckstine. Basie was like a father to me, having kind of adopted me when I was 13, and he wasn't in the greatest shape. He was in a wheelchair and when he saw me, he said with a sense of pride, `Man, [what] you and Michael did, me and Duke would never even dream about nothin' that big. We wouldn't even dare to dream about it.’ You can't imagine how proud I felt, hearing that from one of my idols, not realizing that it would be the last time that I'd see him alive.''

Jackson shut places down everywhere he went. Japan. Africa. Europe. I was in Ireland in 1988, doing the the bed and breakfast travel routine with my wife, and he was performing the next day in Cork. We were an hour from there, but we needed to get an hour further away to find a B&B that wasn’t full.
No doubt Jordan can and does create a stir. And today, he no doubt creates a more positive reaction.

My vote is for Micahel Jackson. I just think he cast a huger shadow over the entire world, owned an incredibly diverse fan base in his heyday.

But I could argue both sides.

Your thoughts?

Posted by Sam Donnellon @ 11:22 AM  Permalink | 11 comments
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Posted 12:32 PM, 07/09/2009
Basquete Rey
Rather silly comparison...While MJack was clearly a very sick, twisted human being...body/voice transfiguration, child play at best, children outside his race (not a transgression but patently offensive and bizarre for a leader of the African-American community) , tax evasion, twisted parenting with rent-a-womb and round the clock nursing/nannying and cloistered environment...but he made incomparable music/entertainment so the pathetic deifying public will overlook any and all transgressions. That said, his music and performance skills were like no other's and he transcended language and cultural barriers communicated in the one true universal language--music. So the greatest athlete of all time isn't even close in this competition.
Posted 05:10 PM, 07/09/2009
dsoul
you'll post this bs but not a rebuttal to the bs...wtf
Posted 05:19 PM, 07/09/2009
K,M
Lots of people may have listened to jackson's music around the world, but "I want to be like Mike" never applied to him. Jordan defined the modern sports superstar (ie, a sports player as a franchise, not just a player) There is actually some scholarly work out there on how the Air Jordan/Nike franchise became one of the first truly global consumer brands(meaning something that has a global supply/manufacturing chain, as well as a global consumer base). In that sense he actually had a fairly significant impact on how global commerce is conducted. While there were certainly b-ball leagues abroad before Jordan, they didn't become good until after him(certainly there was never any need for a "redeem team" back then - and how many non-american players of note were there in the NBA?). Don't get me wrong, i can appreciate some of Jackson's music, but if you're talking about global impact, Jordan is really something unique. You can make the case that Jackson had an impact on music, but lots of acts before and since have sold out big venues - and lets be honest - it was pop music. Pop music is by definition a fickle thing, and you cant really make a strong case that it had staying power past the 80's.
Posted 08:16 PM, 07/09/2009
P Even
The answer to the question is Jackson. The other blah, blah, blah is not answering the question.
Posted 08:10 AM, 07/10/2009
Slovs
Michael Jordan was a great player. He performed well in prime-time as the star of a talented team. His overall career stats weren't as good as Larry Bird other than scoring. Wilt had the same scoring ability, but also led the league in rebounds, assists and minutes played. Michael Jackson's records are global. His music has stood the test of time. What he did in the video industry is unmatched.
Posted 12:35 PM, 07/10/2009
Cooler
jerry lewis is the face of muscular distrophy... md not multiple sclerosis ms. not sure if that was a typo, but just clarifying. michael jackson.
Posted 01:22 PM, 07/10/2009
K,M
Obviously some jackson fans here...I'll just have to disagree from a factual perspective that his music stood the test of time though. you wont find many people under 30 who still listen to old tapes of "beat it" or "thriller". Pop music doesn't age well. He was a giant in his day, but his day passed almost 20 years ago.
Posted 08:52 PM, 07/10/2009
P Even
KM, you are also not answering the question. You put in your own, "who under 30 listens to old tapes?". The Q is "Which of these two has affected the world more?". The obvious answer to the limited Q is Jackson.
Posted 11:11 AM, 07/12/2009
Horlet
Michael Jackson did more for charity and the people of this world than Jordan could dream of. He gave untold sums to charitable causes we are only beginning to learn about. As talented as he was, his generosity was boundless. He impacted this world as few human beings have. He is a hero to countless of us.
Posted 10:34 AM, 07/13/2009
frankenslade
More than Yul Brynner, Michael Jordan gave balding men the confidence to shave their head rather than mess around with combovers, toupees, and plugs. I think he also did a lot more to represent his people in the mainstream without changing who he was. I'm giving the nod to Jordan.
Posted 11:59 AM, 07/13/2009
J H
The "headliners" for the 1992 Dream Team were Magic, Bird and Barkley? Which Olympics were you watching? Johnson and Bird were over the hill (Bird often lay flat on the sidelines because of his bad back), and much of the world hadn't heard of Barkley until his ugly American act. Jordan had just won his second ring and was easily the most famous athlete at the Barcelona Olympics. More than a few of my friends and relatives from Chicago pointed out that before Jordan, they'd meet people from Europe and Asia who would say, "Chicago! Al Capone! Bang Bang!" but after Jordan, they'd hear "Chicago! Jordan!" As for the poster above who claims Jordan's stats weren't as good as Bird's, you're delusional if you're suggesting that Bird is a better player than Jordan (just one example: Jordan, 9 times All-Defensive First Team; Bird, 0 times All-Defensive First Team).
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About Sam Donnellon
Donnellon's career began in Biddeford, Me., in 1981, and has included stops in Wilkes-Barre, Norfolk, and New York, where he worked as a national writer for the short-lived but highly acclaimed National Sports Daily. He has received state and national awards at each stop and since joining the Daily News in 1992 has been honored by the Associated Press Sports Editors, the National Sportswriters and Sportscasters Association, the National Association of Black Journalists, the Associated Press Managing Editors of Pennsylvania and the Keystone Awards. He and his wife of 22 years have raised three fine children, none of whom are even the least bit impressed with the above.