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Thursday, September 4, 2008

Doing the oddsmaking thing as we sit again on the edge of the sink, listening for the first sickening gurgle to emerge from the proverbial drain as the Phillies head to Shea Stadium.

If the Phils were to get swept this weekend by the Mets, they would be dead. They would be six games behind the Mets with 19 games left to play in the National League East standings, and at least 4.5 games behind the Brewers (but probably more) in the NL wildcard standings. I know, I know, they came from seven games behind with 17 left to play last year against the Mets, but this is not last year. That was a historic collapse. The Phils were a much better hitting team then -- although they've hit better lately. There would be no more games on the schedule against the Mets. It would be over. They would be done -- dead, dead, dead, dead, dead, dead. Their odds of winning would probably be about 2 percent.

If the Phils were to lose two of three to the Mets, they would be comatose. You cannot count on the Mets to collapse again. They show no signs of it -- in fact, they have shown a nice bounceability in recent weeks, coming from behind, hanging in games, even with a wretched bullpen (and especially in the absence of closer Billy Wagner). Odds of the Phils winning if they are four games out on Sunday night: 10 percent.

If the Phils were to win two out of three, they would be two behind with 19 to play. That is still a hill to climb. In the end, if this were to happen, it is looking more and more like they will have to hit themselves out of it. The pitching is much better than last season but the wear and tear of a long season is becoming apparent. The games being lost in the bullpen now are gut punches. The Phillies' bullpen ERA in the first half of the season was 2.71. In the second half, it is 4.39. The Mets' bullpen is still measurably worse -- its second-half bullpen ERA is 4.90; ouch -- but this is turning into a series of grisly car wrecks, night after night. It is a hard way to come from behind. So, win two of three and the Phillies' odds of winning the division grow to only 33 percent.

If the Phillies sweep, they will be even with the Mets with 19 to play and will have changed the entire psychology of the race. At that point, the Mets will officially be facing their own gagging past -- with helpful reminders from the friendly New York newspapers. It will still be a close call, obviously, because both teams are so clearly flawed. But the mental edge will belong to the Phillies then, even if the race was only tied. So, sweep and the Phillies' odds of winning the division would be 60 percent.

That's it. That's how hard it is going to be. That's what happens when you lost two out of three in Washington.

Posted by Rich Hofmann @ 12:14 PM  Permalink | 36 comments
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Posted 12:48 PM, 09/04/2008
Ligs
You got it Rich! Losing 2/3 to the Nats was BRUTAL - not to mention sickening. It all comes down to this weekend. It's amazing how the GM did (does not) not have the foresight to actually bolster their bullpen or their lineup before the trade deadline. Isn't that his job? Oh - I'm sorry, I forgot that the Phils usually don't make any moves unless they are marginal. What was I thinking? It's frustrating for sure. I mean, how many more oppotunities are they going to squander before Chase, Cole, Ryan and Shane are either gone or 40?
Posted 01:18 PM, 09/04/2008
atleaglefan
Toast. Actually burnt toast. Let the house cleaning begin. Bye Bye Chalie, Bye Bye Gillick, Bye bye everyone in the pen except Romero, Hamels, and Moyers. Bye Bye Burrell. Maybe bye bye Jimmy.
Posted 01:19 PM, 09/04/2008
B in DC
There's something to be said for playing hard, and they seem to be doing more of that lately. We'll see if it results in some wins, but when Ryno gives you 2 HR, you'd better capitalize, cause he's bound to go on a strikeout bender for the next couple games. The pen has been good this year overall, but the stats Rich mentions for the second half are a stark contrast to the first half. That kind of pitching leads to not only a couple of extra losses here and there when the pen does blow it, but also leads to Charlie maybe staying with a starter one batter too long, which can be deadly as well.
Posted 01:24 PM, 09/04/2008
B in DC
ATL - good luck finding someone to give you equivalent numbers to JRoll. Compare him to other SS in the league and he's still having a decent year offensively, and his defense is top shelf as usual. Jason Donald it not ready for the pressure of replacing a former MVP, guaranteed.
Posted 01:26 PM, 09/04/2008
aman1711
you're an idiot. probably said the same thing last year. Quit writing and put your head in the sand. No talent, no positivity. just bitter and uninformed.
Posted 01:27 PM, 09/04/2008
Drummerboy79
Yes it's getting very painful to watch. Two out of three at Shea and the division is still within their grasp. Anything less and I agree they are done. They may be done now with the way they've been playing. There just seems to be something missing this year (Aaron Rowand's bat AND leadership?) This team seems to have no one to stand up and be a leader. J-Roll likes to stand up and talk but his mouth has only hurt morale this year. He certainly has not been a leader of this team. So my question is, with this same nucleus of guys, how is the season any different next year? I think a blockbuster trade may be in order to shake things up, such as Ryan Howard or J-Roll going somewhere. Obviously you need to get some amazing returns such as a number one starter and a power hitting team leader, but these all need to be considered in the off season or we will see much of the same sluggish offense with no real team leader to step up again next year.
Posted 01:27 PM, 09/04/2008
KGKoons
The whole game hinged on the replacement of Eyers by Chad for one more batter; Zim. It exploded. Too bad because the Mets are not going to fold this year. They can actually hit in the clinch. The Phils will have to sweep the Mets and then actually hit in the clutch-clinch etc. We can see Pat is not up to it. It appears perhaps that Rollins, Chase,Ryan, Vic are starting to get hotter again. It then will be up to the starters to go 7 innings and then hang on.
Posted 01:51 PM, 09/04/2008
Clem
B in DC, I think Charlie is always a little late with his decisions; pitching; batting and defense. I am at least glad they had the gumption to put Hamels in against Santana; no one else would do (I was actually keeping my fingers crossed about the decision).
Posted 02:29 PM, 09/04/2008
CyHamels
Eh, it's baseball. Losing two of three to a horrible team happens. The Phils have to win from here to get in, but, !news flash!, even if they won 2 of 3 or swept the Nationals they would still be in 2nd place and they would STILL need to win the weekend series against the Mets. Although, a serious problem that has arisen in the last few games: who is reliable enough to be trusted to protect an 8th inning lead? Maybe Manuel can lobby the umps to give the other team 6 outs in the 7th inning and then skip to the 9th, given the recent 8th inning horror shows the bullpen has performed.
Posted 02:29 PM, 09/04/2008
gtb513
Sweep the Mets or pack it in. Yeah, like that will happne! Its over. See you in the spring with a lot less optimism and for my part, reduced tickets sales.
Posted 02:35 PM, 09/04/2008
jamarder
If they don't take at least 2 of 3 from the Mess, the season is over. Yes, the Mess were 7 up with 17 to play last year, and if the Mess sweep they will be 6 up with 22, or 21 to play, so anything is possible
Posted 03:04 PM, 09/04/2008
RollinsWasRight
Are the Phils almost dead? I dunno. It all depends on how Myers pitches tomorrow night. And if they survive that game, it will all depend on how Moyer pitches Saturday... and so on. The "long season" is over. They are now left with 22 1-game series. And all are "must wins". And it begins, as it did way back in April, with Brett Myers...
Posted 03:07 PM, 09/04/2008
mebphila
in retrospect - The Eagles are never good in years that The Phillies are - so maybe if they miss the playoffs - The Eagles will truly return to dominance. I know - muddled logic - but this team and town defies logic - so it seems apropos.
Posted 03:17 PM, 09/04/2008
dametswon
jamarder, you spelled them wrong, it's the Mets! I don't think the Phlubs have enough to rally against the Mets... doesn't football start this weekend?
Posted 03:47 PM, 09/04/2008
PhillyRules
Unfortunately, it looks like it's not our year. The Mets are coming off a three game sweep in Milwaukee and the Phils can't even win a series at Washington. It's a shame, with this lineup and better pitching, you would think they'd be on top. Let's see what next year brings.
Posted 03:48 PM, 09/04/2008
GHOSTPHAYCE
We definitely blew it last night against the Nats. That was a must win game. Chances of a sweep this weekend 15%. We have to get 2 out of 3 or it is over. Milwaukee has the wild card this year.
Posted 03:49 PM, 09/04/2008
B in DC
Clem, you're right about Charlie always being late with decisions. I'm just imagining how much worse it gets if he has no confidence in his bullpen. Things he gets away with now, he won't if you add 1 more hitter to, say, Kyle Kendrick in the sixth, Jamie Moyer in the seventh, etc. Lets hope Kendrick isn't an issue - I'd like to see JA in there. The league has finally caught up to Kendrick, and he's not taking it too well. He looks like he's ready to cry out there.
Posted 03:56 PM, 09/04/2008
CyHamels
The Mets cannot continue their run for the final 4 weeks. They have been 21-9 since Wagner got shelved. That's ridiculous. The .700 winning percentage they have had will not stay that way. If we can take 2 of 3, then 2 GB with 19 to play will certainly be doable. The Mets have been known to play down to their competetion this year. The worst case scenerio if we win 2 of 3 this weekend is they go 11-8 (conservative estimate for Phils fans, optomistic for Mets fans) over their last 19 games, which would be a 55% winning percentage (their season average), it's not too difficult to imagine the Phillies going 13-6 for that span. All this is assuming the Mets don't go on a slight losing streak, which wouldn't be a huge surprise (aren't they due??? ahem, Baseball Gods?)
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Posted 04:05 PM, 09/04/2008
Wally 24
I think Hunsicker and Cashman are available wonder if we can afford them? No they'll probably go the cheap route on that, keep it in house save good time Cholly's job at 1.5 mil and unload everyone they can. I'd love to know what the profits are at years end. I think Rich layed it out the realities real well. Coarse he didn't say what the odds of us winning 3 of 3 in Shea were now did he. Thats almost to histerical a question to ask the odds makers.
Posted 04:05 PM, 09/04/2008
raulfromvineland
They have not played well against the Mets all year, even when the Mets were playing poorly. I see the Phillies losing two out of three; these teams are headed in opposite directions.
Posted 04:27 PM, 09/04/2008
GHOSTPHAYCE
CyHamels I'm with you....I can see the Mets going on a slide. They have been playing above their heads. 4 or 5 game losing streak might be in the cards.
Posted 04:35 PM, 09/04/2008
JoePAVA
Nobody should be giving up just yet. Doesn't anyone remember last year!? I agree that if they get swept at Shea this weekend its probably over, but if they take 2 of 3 or sweep the Mets they are still alive, especially given their schedule. And for all the trouble the bullpen has had lately, would you rather have our 'pen or the Mets'? Howard, Utley and Rollins seem to be hitting lately, and Burrell had two hits last night. The only beef I had last night was Charlie blindly following that tired baseball axiom of left/left, right/right, when he took out Eyre, who was pitching very well in the 7th, and bringing in a clearly tiring Durbin. A manager doesn't need to be a slave to those percentages; go with the guy who is pitching well. We have Myers going Friday night, and he has been lights out lately. And Hamels going Sunday, although against Santana. So its no time to quit yet if you're a fan, as exasperating as the Phils can be!
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Posted 04:46 PM, 09/04/2008
low2behold
What the Phillies need is to be reminded of the team that swept the Dodgers in 4 games at Citizen's Bank Park.
Posted 05:27 PM, 09/04/2008
bigeastbeast
Phils are getting a break.Saturday's game will be washed out.Had they played,the Phillies chances were just about nil.A gambling angle picks the Mets on Saturday.It has a 30-5 record this season.
Posted 05:32 PM, 09/04/2008
Shawn384
This team no matter how much I love em....are underacheiving overpaid bums....maybe if Howard and Eaton swapped salaries he would stay in there against lefties and cut about 50% of his K's out. Prob not, If we dont sweep the Muckin Fets....Sit Burrell and play Golson, sit Ruiz and bring up Marson and get rid of Blanton so Carrasco can get some MLB experience!!!!! This team sucks at getting great talent up to the pros. In all likelyhood Howard or Burrell should be gone next year, and if Eaton isnt gone Im not watching another game!!! I hope we sweep the Muckin Fets but its unlikely since we cant get out of the 7th-8th Inning to save our lives. GOOD RIDDANCE PAT GILLICK THANKS FOR THE YEARS OF MISERY AND CAN WE PLEASE GET A MANAGER WITH AN I.Q. ABOVE 60????? I COULD MANAGE THE PITCHERS BETTER THAN CHOLLY.. PEACE
Posted 06:00 PM, 09/04/2008
Flyguy12
I was really surprised Charlie went w/Durbin last night. It's obvious to all that he isn't sharp. What happened to extending Lidge? They have today off, I just don't understand that move.
Posted 06:28 PM, 09/04/2008
rustypop58
Was anyone really expecting anything else? This is the Phillies we are talking about dammit!! 100+ yrs and ONE title. That's no accident folks. You have to be trying HARD to be that pitiful. There is always a missing element on this team!
Posted 06:33 PM, 09/04/2008
Bill D
Atleaglefan is probably right about the exodus. In the meantime though this email was just sent from phillies.com. Jimmy now needs all of us front-runners to vote for him for the Roberto Clemente Award. "The award recognizes the player who best exemplifies the game of baseball, sportsmanship, community involvement and the individual's contribution to his team." I can think of 100 guys that fit this description better than Sir Jimmy, and I'm old enough to know that Jimmy has absolutely nothing in common with Clemente. Good luck, Jimmy. Any votes more than the first will be from close family.
Posted 09:10 PM, 09/04/2008
Dull
Last year the Phils had team chemistry with Brett Myers as closer and Jimmy having a career year. This year Myers move to the No. 1 starter role was a disaster until a few weeks ago and Jimmy has only decided rfecently to turn it on when it is now clearly too late. That being said the Mets will not collapse like year. For what ever reason Reyes quit on the team the last 15 games last year, refused to steal the rest of the season after Coste threw him out at third for the third out with David Wright at the plate in a mid Sept. game and the rest was history. Reyes is not going to shut it down this year. So I blame Gillick for forcing Myers back to the starters role and not extending Rollins conteact to reflect his MVP year and the fact that Reyes shows no signs of shuting it down this Sept. as the did last Sept.
Posted 09:17 PM, 09/04/2008
Phillyfan28
I am not giving up on the season. The mets bullpen should implode at some point. Ayala is not a closer. And I still have faith in the team. Lets go Phils.
Posted 09:42 PM, 09/04/2008
Wally 24
Last year we had Rowand,Iguchi, and Loshe who all went to the Free agent market and we have really missed their help this season. Myers was ok but is not a Brad Lidge. Myers saw an opportunity to do a lot less work for the same money. He decided to work a little scam to ease himself into the closer role and until Lidge signed the 3 yr deal figured he had a shot at the job. Give Gillick credit for not giving into him and causing Lidge to go to the Free Agent market. People complain about the half assed deals made by the front office but in this case I think they got it right. Myers is young, strong, and has the talent to be the ace of the staff. He just needed to get his mind right.
Posted 11:46 PM, 09/04/2008
jmargo23
Game over. Phillies need to clean house. We need to win a Championship in Philly and it sure isn't going to happen in the citizens overpriced ballpark... bedebebebabdeba that's alll Folks!!!!
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