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Cliff Lee: too much of a good thing

The dangers of bringing in Cliff Lee.

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Cliff Lee: too much of a good thing

POSTED: Wednesday, November 10, 2010, 10:29 AM

I know this is probably a little bit counter-intuitive, but that's the mood I'm in today. And when the subject turns to Cliff Lee, and whether or not the Phillies should be involved in trying to reacquire the free-agent pitcher, what that means is that I really believe it would be a mistake -- because there is such a thing as too much of a good thing.

Yes, it would be a rotation for the ages if you brought in Lee to join with Roy Halladay, Cole Hamels and Roy Oswalt. None of us has ever seen anything like it, and it would give the Phillies the undisputed best pitching rotation in the game. That is obviously a huge positive -- and if the money is there, well, why not?

But here is the question I ask: which one is the fourth starter in the post-season?

Maybe an injury takes care of the question. Maybe it becomes a non-issue that way. But these are elite people in their profession, and these are hyper-competitive people. And on the day that Lee was re-signed by the Phillies, all four of them would share a simultaneous thought: which one of us gets shoved aside, at least partly, at the most important point in the season?

Creative tension can be a good thing, and competition within a pitching staff can be healthy, but this would be unprecedented. There is a chance that the fourth starter would not get to pitch at all in the first round of the playoffs, and only one time in both the League Championship Series and the World Series. The difference is that never in the history of the game would a fourth starter carry the pedigree that is carried by either Halladay, Hamels, Oswalt or Lee.

From the distance where you sit, many of you are probably saying, "So what?" But these are human beings, and proud professionals, and at least part of the attraction that the Phillies hold for players today is that with this clubhouse, and this manager, you are going to be treated like a grown-up professional. Given that, how do you spend the summer with the unstated reality that these elite guys are auditioning for their position in the post-season rotation?

What if Halladay were the one who looked the most gassed as October approached? There is no way on earth that Charlie Manuel would be able to call him into the office and tell him that he's the fourth starter. The same with Lee, who will have signed the longest, biggest-money deal if he were to return. All of which would leave Oswalt and Hamels locked into a competition for which neither of them ever would have signed up if given the chance -- oh, and Hamels, when all is said and done, is the guy who is going to be here longer than any of them.

It just seems like the money could be spent in other ways -- ways that better balanced the roster. I'd spend it on Jayson Werth if I were Ruben Amaro Jr.. If they're not willing to go that way, I wouldn't spend it. I'd bank the cash and use it for in-season moves, specifically in-season bullpen moves. The bullpen remains the great unknowable in baseball, and a nimble GM with a checkbook in June and July always has the best chance of being the smartest guy in the room.

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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:43 AM, 11/10/2010
    don't bring back cliff lee
    sha987
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:46 AM, 11/10/2010
    bring back Jose Alfonseca
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:47 AM, 11/10/2010
    Completely agreed. Last season's playof exit didn't relate to pitching it was about the bats and a seeming lack of energy. Invest in strong young position players and let the big three do their jobs.
    owl87
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:52 AM, 11/10/2010
    An injury is going to happen to one of the big three for at least a portion of the season. I'd like to have some depth in the back end of the rotation. Get a right handed bat, some middle relief and setup men. I like him, but you don't need Cliff Lee anymore.
    Vote for Dickie
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:55 AM, 11/10/2010
    None of us had ever seen anthing like it. Really. The 1971 Orioles and the Braves with Maddux, Glavine, Smoltz, Avery and then Neagle. Really.
    ALJ
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:56 AM, 11/10/2010
    maybe bring back cliff lee
    Grazman
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:59 AM, 11/10/2010
    Or last seasons exit could have been that we ran into the SF buzzsaw. The same one who silenced the Rangers as well. We outscored the Giants but never solved their pitching
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:03 AM, 11/10/2010
    We wouldn't want 4 very good pitchers, like say, I don't know...the Giants?
    smfree31
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:09 AM, 11/10/2010
    It's not a scenario to contemplate because it's never going to happen.
    TerryW
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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:11 AM, 11/10/2010
    You really care who would be the 4th starter in play-offs? Are you kidding us? What a stupid question to raise.
    hollandpa
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:11 AM, 11/10/2010
    I agree. Having Lee would help win games during the season, but would not be useful during the playoffs. The Phils have other needs--like signing or finding a replacement for Werth.
    rwellsinbc
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:24 AM, 11/10/2010
    Another Cliff Lee article that I click on. This is becoming a Philadelphia sickness that not even I can rid myself of.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:31 AM, 11/10/2010
    Lee would never come back. He is a grudge-holder, openly happy we lost the NLCS. Still love to watch him pitch, but there's an odor emanating from the punchbowl.
    kierenmcd


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