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Phillies Notes: Rich Dubee says he's seeing results from Phillies' Roy Halladay

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    ATLANTA - As Rich Dubee preached his optimism Thursday afternoon about Roy Halladay, the pitcher ran. Halladay donned a red beanie and black sweatpants. He paced the warning track at Turner Field in the 40-degree weather while a steady mist fell. Halladay was the only player on the field at 4 p.m.

    "I'm starting to see some results," Dubee said. "You think I'm going to take the ball away from this guy?"

    No one is saying the Phillies pitching coach should do that. Dubee reiterated his encouragement for Halladay despite a baffling, 95-pitch outing in which the erstwhile ace recorded 10 outs. Dubee cited Halladay's nine strikeouts.

    "Do you see many other guys doing that in baseball?" Dubee said. "Yu Darvish against the Astros. Yu Darvish wasn't facing the Atlanta Braves."

    Darvish, of course, was capable of completing more than 31/3 innings. On Wednesday, Halladay barely resembled his normal self and relied on his off-speed pitches.

    "I don't know if it's an issue of trusting his stuff," Dubee said, "as much as trying to get to where he understands what his stuff is and how it's going to play and how he can work off that."

    Data from Pitch F/X, a precise two-camera system installed in every Major League Baseball stadium that tracks the trajectory and speed of every pitch, indicated that Halladay's release point was lower than last season.

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    Last spring, when scouts first questioned Halladay's ability, they focused on his lower arm slot as evidence. It affects the angle Halladay achieves on his pitches, and could be to blame for the lack of ground balls.

    But Dubee disputed the data based on video he watched. "It's not lower, it's higher," he said of Halladay's arm slot.

    "That means he's good," Dubee said. "Last year, because of health issues, he had to get lower because that's the only way he could get the ball up there."

    Dubee said Halladay achieved the desired late movement on his sinkers and cutters. So why did he stray from the pitches?

    "He wasn't able to do it arm-slot wise," Dubee said.

     

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    After two losses, Charlie Manuel made one change to his lineup. Laynce Nix started in right field against the Braves, replacing John Mayberry Jr. . . . Jimmy Rollins passed Richie Ashburn for second place all-time in games played (1,795) as a Phillie. He needs 609 more to tie Mike Schmidt. . . . Halladay was the first Phillies pitcher to record his first eight outs of a game via strikeout since Curt Schilling on April 5, 1998. . . . The Phillies returned outfielder Ender Inciarte to the Arizona Diamondbacks for $25,000. Inciarte was the Phillies' Rule 5 selection in December.

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    Comments  (21)
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:02 PM, 04/05/2013
      Dubee doesn't "produce" arms ... but I agree that he is terrible. Another example of the Monty & Rube show. As bad as he is, though, it's hard to look past Manuel. I wish a reporter would ask Rube why Davy Lopes left. Anyone here know why Davy Lopes left? How about Arbuckle? Chuck Lamar? Jimy Williams?
      Copper34
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:24 PM, 04/05/2013
      Liked your comment DRat....."arm slot" is everything to a pitcher. Every pitch NEEDS to come out of the same arm slot so that no hitter or opposing coach can pick up what pitch you are throwing. You don't lose your "arm slot" after pitching for a number of years unless you are dealing with an injury and it makes it physically impossible to throw from that same slot that you've always thrown from. I can tell you from pitching myself, that as I got older and my capsule loosened and the wear and tear took it's toll on my shoulder, my "arm slot" changed dramatically. Sometimes on some pitches you can replicate it but when humping up to throw the fastball for instance, I had to drop my arm slightly to a different slot, so as to feel like I could throw without pain and keep some mustard on the ball. Unfortunately, hitters can see this and let it rip when they do, often leading to the same tattooing of the baseball that we've seen hitters do to Doc all spring. Also, Dubee is correct on this. Your movement on the ball, especially with the cutter and sinker changes dramatically when you change your arm swing. It becomes much more hittable. Believe me when I say this because I got rocked a lot my last few years. But I loved the game, the teammates, the challenge and didn't want to give it up. Thank God I played on a field that was 365' to the foul poles and 390' in the gaps. I can't imagine having to pitch in the Majors with dimensions like CBP or Fenway. That's just about an impossible task, IMO.
      Mark1npt
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:06 PM, 04/05/2013
      Seems like Dubee was a good pitching coach in 2008. Not too shabby in 2009. Outstanding in 2010 and 2011.If only the posters was half as successful in their own career as Dubee has been in his, they would be doing something other than hanging around a message board.
      ToniBaloney
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:01 PM, 04/05/2013
      I understand the pessimism, but in all reality, his stuff was pretty good when he pitched. His problem was he wasn't pinpoint accurate like he used to be. That's not something that can't be regained, and I believe he'll get it back. If his pitches were topping out at 88 mph, then that would be a different story, but he was getting it in at 90. He'll be fine, I believe and hope, but it's just a matter of getting it there. I think him playing through the injury last year screwed him up, kind of like walking on a bad leg, you adjust your movements to compensate.
      cjh136
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:14 PM, 04/05/2013
      It really bothers me that the camera shows one thing and that Dubee says another. I can't help but remember that Dubee concealed RH's injury last year -- could it be happening again?
      camdenlawprof
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:55 PM, 04/05/2013
      It's nice that Halladay is willing to jog in the rain, but the point that wasn't even discussed is Halladay's loss of velocity.
      nmlawyer


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