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Philly overrated as a sports town?

An Eagles fan shows how he feels about his team during the Eagles game against the Panthers. (Ron Cortes/Staff Photographer)
An Eagles fan shows how he feels about his team during the Eagles game against the Panthers. (Ron Cortes/Staff Photographer)
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  • It's a common belief in Philadelphia that local fans are the most passionate in the country.
  • Philadelphia does rank high in big-league interest, but it's not even No. 1 in Pennsylvania.
  • Phillies fans stand out much more in their sport than Eagles fans do in football.
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    It's a common belief in Philadelphia that local fans are the most passionate in the country, especially because of crazed Eagles fans.

    Findings from a major national survey paint a somewhat different picture.

    Philadelphia does rank high in big-league interest, but it's not even No. 1 in Pennsylvania, according to Scarborough Research.

    And Phillies fans stand out much more in their sport than Eagles fans do in football, suggesting that the baseball team may be the difference maker in comparisons with other cities.

    Over the next week, we'll roll out some of the surprising findings, but first let's focus on how Philly fans stack up nationally.

    About 210,000 people across the country, after being phoned by Scarborough, agreed to fill out detailed questionnaires about all sorts of consumer interests and habits. The results became available in February, though the process lasted from August 2011 to September 2012.

    One question asked people if they were "very," "somewhat" or "not at all" interested in one or more of the four biggest sports leagues - the NFL, Major League Baseball, the National Hockey League, or the National Basketball Association.

    Here are the Top 10 markets - "designated media areas" - ranked by percentage of fans who said they were "very interested":

    1. Green Bay, Wisc., 57 percent.

    2. Milwaukee, Wisc., 56.

    3. Pittsburgh, Pa., 53.

    4. New Orleans, La., 53.

    5. Baltimore, Md., 48.

    6. Boston, Mass., 47.

    7. Colorado Springs/Pueblo, Colo., 46.

    8. Providence, R.I./New Bedford, Mass., 46.

    9. St. Louis, Mo., 46.

    10. Philadelphia, Pa., 45 percent.

    The national average: 38 percent.

    Odd list, isn't it? No New York or Chicago, but Colorado Springs? Only two cities with all four sports make the cut, while a town with just one team (Green Bay) leads the way.

    Apparently, in small cities where there's less to do, sports can become disproportionately popular, especially if there's a franchise or two nearby that's recently won a championship, explained Bill Nielsen, head of Scarborough's sports marketing division.

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    Who has more fans, the Eagles or the Phillies?
    Vote for the view nearest yours.
    Eagles, by far.
    Eagles, by 5 to 15 percent.
    It's close.
    Phillies, by 5 to 15 percent.
    Phillies, by far.
    Flyers have the most fans in Philly.
    76ers have the most fans.
    No clue.

    That's why he found Philadelphia's ranking "pretty impressive," given that it's the biggest market on the list and second only to Boston among the nation's four-sports cities.

    Do the same list by media market size, and Philadelphia finishes far ahead of some other major areas. (Number in parentheses is the rank by four-sport interest.)

    1. New York, 36 percent (No. 43).

    2. Los Angeles, 33 percent (55).

    3. Chicago, 42 percent (16).

    4. Philadelphia, 45 percent (10).

    5. Dallas-Fort Worth, 42 percent (14).

    6. San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, 36 percent (42).

    7. Boston, 47 percent (6).

    8. Washington, D.C., 39 percent (29).

    9. Atlanta, 37 percent (33).

    10. Houston, 32 percent (58).

    Note that only Dallas and Chicago join Philly and Boston in the Top 20, while San Francisco, New York, Los Angeles and Houston can't crack the Top 40 - and yet Albany/Schenectady, Grand Rapids, Toledo, Rochester, Albuquerque and Harrisburg/Lancaster/Lebanon (37 percent) all do.

    In Philadelphia, female fans show more team spirit than both genders do in L.A. or Houston. About 34 percent of Philly-area women say they're "very interested" in at least one major sport, just a bit behind Boston's 37 percent, Nielsen said.

    Nationally, 27 percent of women expressed being "very interested" in the four leagues.

    In absolute numbers overall, though, New York is king, said Nielsen (no relation to the TV ratings folks). In the NFL, for example, the New York Giants have the third lowest market peneration, percentage-wise, but are No. 1 in the league in terms of total fans, with about 7.7 million, he said.

    Neilsen acknowledges that there are other, perhaps better, ways to measure fanaticism, like TV ratings, and ticket and merchandise sales.

    "This has nothing to do with people who attend games," he said.

    Also, the meaning of "very interested" could vary from market to market (as well as fan to fan).

    Compared to the zealots who call Philly sports-talk radio, a Philadelphia fan who attends five games a year might think that's no big deal. His counterpart in West Palm Beach, though, might consider that a major commitment.

    That could mean that smaller towns tend to overrate their enthusiasm.

    Next report: Most fans: Eagles or Phillies?


    Contact staff writer Peter Mucha at 215-854-4342 or pmucha@phillynews.com.

     

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    Comments  (94)
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:40 PM, 04/04/2013
      You have to remember these people agreed to take this survey. If you don't like to take surveys, or have other things to do better with you time, you are going to pass on it. That's why any survey is always going to be biased because of one's willingness to participate. Very few, if any, really hold any weight. Just another puff piece.
      chuck Shick
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:44 PM, 04/04/2013
      Arses in the seats....all you need to know. The survey? People are idiots.
      Gimmemyfreestuff
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:46 PM, 04/04/2013
      These writers even try anymore?
      BlueberryLetter23
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:48 PM, 04/04/2013
      yawn
      kelz1966
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:56 PM, 04/04/2013
      LOSER-VILLE, USA!!!
      toiletofphilly
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:01 PM, 04/04/2013
      What's "overrated" in this town are the writers, who have (over the years) become pitiful obvious lackeys for the front offices of all of our teams. And, if this city employs editors for the individual newspapers (especially this particular web site) then every one of them should be fired for gross negligence and dereliction of duty. The writers in Philadelphia have GOT to be the worst that sports has to offer. Philadelphia's fan base is rabid and supportive of teams with competent management and players who work hard and don't work the system. It's been that way for years. This fan base deserves better, from owners, managers, and players to the "writers" that cover our teams.
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:05 PM, 04/04/2013
      Sam Donnellon is still ahead of Peter Mucha in terms of trying to get a knee jerk reaction from people. Peter Mucha, stick to writing about the weather and the lottery. You are more interesting there.
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:12 PM, 04/04/2013
      To the lopez...as much as i hate to say this, but what about stephen a. smith? isn't he on ESPN? and Sal Palintonio? just saying...
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:14 PM, 04/04/2013
      What Philly is known for is annually overrating their teams & drinking the kool-aid-- that's the view from outside of Philly, also known for a low-end fan base loud; but really not all that knowledgeable, see point one as evidence.
      Northcountry
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:20 PM, 04/04/2013
      What else is there to do in WI?
      2ndNlong
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:22 PM, 04/04/2013
      @Northcountry: I couldn't care LESS about the "view from outside Philly". Just what makes them experts about our city? You, apparently, haven't watched many Packers' games, huh? Ever watch their clueless "cheese head" fanatics or listen to their spittle laden drivel regarding their team, even when they sucked? ALL football fans are "loud". Philadelphia fans ARE knowledgeable and demand that their players don't "dog it" and put in a full day's work for a full day's pay. You, on the other hand, sound like someone that will accept mediocrity and, if you are or were a business owner, probably wouldn't expect the best from your employees. I suggest you speak for yourself.
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:35 PM, 04/04/2013
      Easy friend; I am a retired business owner and have lived all over the country, and had exceptionally high expectations, and matched them with exceptionally high compensation for delivered results. I am from this city and having lived elsewhere, the fans here are loud & passionate, but that doesn't equate to knowledgeable.
      Northcountry
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:30 PM, 04/04/2013
      The biggest misconception is that Philly is a blue collar town....Manufacturing jobs are a very small part of the Philly business picture....and with corporate suites and ticket prices, the majority of attendendees at any of the franchises are residents of the suburbs of Philly or New Jersey....but like the national media holds onto the errroneous Santa Claus story, they also hold onto this blue collar image....(and you know our lazy inept local media don't do enough research to know anything anyway....and if they did, they would have to write a new story instead of their usual regurgation of old news) ...The fact is that dam few blue collars go to flyers games (it is a suit and kid event) Philly games...(it is a young social drinking crowd), Sixers (it is anybody they can give tickets to) Eagles (coporate boxes and suites lower level are big buck tickets and only a small portion of the drunks are left and they are either unemployed or just hangers-on.....
      nuggett
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:48 PM, 04/04/2013
      Hit the nail on the head with the observations of fans depending on teams. A good amount of Phillies fans are college students who can get their friends going when the team is on s treak. Flyers fans, $98 bucks for nosebleed seats, you are a die hard fan. Eagles, great tailgaters but way too expensive. Sixers, love the free tickets. Specially when they have free goodies to give out. But, I still pay to see the games regardless of the records of any of the teams. Has to be a Philly team for me. Not bandwagoners like some of the locals who wear out of town uniforms.
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:47 PM, 04/04/2013
      Why is it that Philly.com thinks Philadelphia fans care. If you are passionate about your team, no one else's team matters. If you don't care, you just don't care. End of story. Did anyone really think this was a competitive sport?
      unbelieveable!


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