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Philly overrated as a sports town?

An Eagles fan shows how he feels about his team during the Eagles game against the Panthers. (Ron Cortes/Staff Photographer)
An Eagles fan shows how he feels about his team during the Eagles game against the Panthers. (Ron Cortes/Staff Photographer)
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  • It's a common belief in Philadelphia that local fans are the most passionate in the country.
  • Philadelphia does rank high in big-league interest, but it's not even No. 1 in Pennsylvania.
  • Phillies fans stand out much more in their sport than Eagles fans do in football.
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    It's a common belief in Philadelphia that local fans are the most passionate in the country, especially because of crazed Eagles fans.

    Findings from a major national survey paint a somewhat different picture.

    Philadelphia does rank high in big-league interest, but it's not even No. 1 in Pennsylvania, according to Scarborough Research.

    And Phillies fans stand out much more in their sport than Eagles fans do in football, suggesting that the baseball team may be the difference maker in comparisons with other cities.

    Over the next week, we'll roll out some of the surprising findings, but first let's focus on how Philly fans stack up nationally.

    About 210,000 people across the country, after being phoned by Scarborough, agreed to fill out detailed questionnaires about all sorts of consumer interests and habits. The results became available in February, though the process lasted from August 2011 to September 2012.

    One question asked people if they were "very," "somewhat" or "not at all" interested in one or more of the four biggest sports leagues - the NFL, Major League Baseball, the National Hockey League, or the National Basketball Association.

    Here are the Top 10 markets - "designated media areas" - ranked by percentage of fans who said they were "very interested":

    1. Green Bay, Wisc., 57 percent.

    2. Milwaukee, Wisc., 56.

    3. Pittsburgh, Pa., 53.

    4. New Orleans, La., 53.

    5. Baltimore, Md., 48.

    6. Boston, Mass., 47.

    7. Colorado Springs/Pueblo, Colo., 46.

    8. Providence, R.I./New Bedford, Mass., 46.

    9. St. Louis, Mo., 46.

    10. Philadelphia, Pa., 45 percent.

    The national average: 38 percent.

    Odd list, isn't it? No New York or Chicago, but Colorado Springs? Only two cities with all four sports make the cut, while a town with just one team (Green Bay) leads the way.

    Apparently, in small cities where there's less to do, sports can become disproportionately popular, especially if there's a franchise or two nearby that's recently won a championship, explained Bill Nielsen, head of Scarborough's sports marketing division.

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    Who has more fans, the Eagles or the Phillies?
    Vote for the view nearest yours.
    Eagles, by far.
    Eagles, by 5 to 15 percent.
    It's close.
    Phillies, by 5 to 15 percent.
    Phillies, by far.
    Flyers have the most fans in Philly.
    76ers have the most fans.
    No clue.

    That's why he found Philadelphia's ranking "pretty impressive," given that it's the biggest market on the list and second only to Boston among the nation's four-sports cities.

    Do the same list by media market size, and Philadelphia finishes far ahead of some other major areas. (Number in parentheses is the rank by four-sport interest.)

    1. New York, 36 percent (No. 43).

    2. Los Angeles, 33 percent (55).

    3. Chicago, 42 percent (16).

    4. Philadelphia, 45 percent (10).

    5. Dallas-Fort Worth, 42 percent (14).

    6. San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, 36 percent (42).

    7. Boston, 47 percent (6).

    8. Washington, D.C., 39 percent (29).

    9. Atlanta, 37 percent (33).

    10. Houston, 32 percent (58).

    Note that only Dallas and Chicago join Philly and Boston in the Top 20, while San Francisco, New York, Los Angeles and Houston can't crack the Top 40 - and yet Albany/Schenectady, Grand Rapids, Toledo, Rochester, Albuquerque and Harrisburg/Lancaster/Lebanon (37 percent) all do.

    In Philadelphia, female fans show more team spirit than both genders do in L.A. or Houston. About 34 percent of Philly-area women say they're "very interested" in at least one major sport, just a bit behind Boston's 37 percent, Nielsen said.

    Nationally, 27 percent of women expressed being "very interested" in the four leagues.

    In absolute numbers overall, though, New York is king, said Nielsen (no relation to the TV ratings folks). In the NFL, for example, the New York Giants have the third lowest market peneration, percentage-wise, but are No. 1 in the league in terms of total fans, with about 7.7 million, he said.

    Neilsen acknowledges that there are other, perhaps better, ways to measure fanaticism, like TV ratings, and ticket and merchandise sales.

    "This has nothing to do with people who attend games," he said.

    Also, the meaning of "very interested" could vary from market to market (as well as fan to fan).

    Compared to the zealots who call Philly sports-talk radio, a Philadelphia fan who attends five games a year might think that's no big deal. His counterpart in West Palm Beach, though, might consider that a major commitment.

    That could mean that smaller towns tend to overrate their enthusiasm.

    Next report: Most fans: Eagles or Phillies?


    Contact staff writer Peter Mucha at 215-854-4342 or pmucha@phillynews.com.

     

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    Comments  (94)
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:15 AM, 04/04/2013
      "Philadelphia does ranks high"?????? C'mon editors!!!!!!
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:53 AM, 04/04/2013
      Notice how teams in markets with "questionable fan loyalty" generally seem to do better in terms of championships? Why is that?

      Its b/c if these teams dont field at least the occasional "championship caliber" teams, the fan base disappears.

      In Philly, the fans are always there so as a biz., why bother rocking the boat...go with what works.

      Think about this, could you imagine if all the sudden Jeff Laurie faced an Eagles/Cowboys home game with only 50% attendance at the Link??? Dramatic changes would be made.
      Professor1982
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:55 PM, 04/04/2013
      once the eagles moved into the linc and began making people buy PSLs, they knew they had this fan base on a leash. they and the flyers fan base are two fans bases of the city that will continue to go to games despite the performance of the team. the phillies are starting to slip some now that they arent doing as well in years' past. for example, the on deck series this year had a rather poor showing whereas it was sold out in 2011, 2010, etc. as for the sixers, ugh.
      theeducator
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:27 PM, 04/04/2013
      Time to cancel this rag of a paper. Worst sportswriters in the country. Read online for free
      joeibt
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:17 AM, 04/04/2013
      Since Pittsburgh only has 3 sports teams, it isn't a true sports city.

      Boston is ahead of us in the first list then behind us in the second even though it asked the same question? Dont get it
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:03 PM, 04/04/2013
      Yeah right----another jealous, insecure, whiner. LOSER! How yinz "phanatics" are so egocentric, and at the same time SO insecure, is beyond comprehension.
      bristolstomp
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:40 PM, 04/04/2013
      Pittsburgh is a sports town. Not a sports city.
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:18 AM, 04/04/2013
      Santa Claus: Really that jolly?
      Another_1
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:34 PM, 04/04/2013
      Not when he's having snowballs chucked at him in Philly!
      Really, I'm surprised that there was no mention of that in the article. Isn't every story about Philly sports fans required by law to mention Santa getting a snowball thrown at him years ago?
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:27 AM, 04/04/2013
      In terms of national media, Philly is absent. There is no "ESPN Philadelphia" but there is Dallas, LA, NY, Boston, Chicago. There hasn't been a Philly sportswriter on a national TV show since Bill Conlin years ago. The Sports Reporters, Around the Horn, PTI, etc. have been absent of Philly writers. Probably because they don't know anything about the national sports scene.
      the lopez!
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:29 AM, 04/04/2013
      Definitely overrated. Philly is full of bandwagon hoppers.
      OohChildNoPhilly
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:04 PM, 04/04/2013
      The entire sports fan "community" EVERYWHERE is loaded with clowns trying to jump onto bandwagons. Unless we see more about the methodology of this "research" the results are very highly questionable. The joke of this is, perhaps, most clearly revealed by the ranking of New Orleans at number four. Yeah, RIGHT! This is a city without, NHL hockey, without MLB baseball, and with an NBA basketball team (not to mention the first pick in the draft) GIVEN to the city by fiat of the worst sports commissioner this side of Bud Selig! Also, did you ever notice all the fans at the Super Dome disguised as empty seats until the recent decent run by the Ain'tsaints!
      BEMiller
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:33 AM, 04/04/2013
      Dumb report on both ends. Who cares about what 200k random (and possible non-sports fan) have to say about which sports city is best?
      CaptAwesome
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:36 AM, 04/04/2013
      Best fans - worst teams!
      jakster
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:49 AM, 04/04/2013
      Actually the teams are right where they need to be in terms of being businesses. With the so called "best fans" they keep attending games and buying gear so why should the teams field a better more expensive product?

      In other words, if a Corolla will do... why pay for a BMW?
      Professor1982


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