Don't Come Back, Shane
Phillies and Dodgers have both fared better without Shane Victorino this season.
Don't Come Back, Shane
Bob Vetrone Jr.
( AP Photo ) (ASSOCIATED PRESS)
Sometimes there are numbers that we simply can't explain (but we're sure there are more than a few BoopStats readers that will be happy to explain it to us), and this is one of them.
We've always been a big Shane Victorino fan, but winning baseball just seems to have deserted him this year.
Consider that when the Phillies or Dodgers had him on their roster this season, they are a combined 63-78 (.447). Over the time Victorino was on the other team in 2012, those clubs are a combined 82-61 (.573).
In addition, loyal reader Jamie McVickar points out that the season-long numbers put up by Phillies current centerfielder John Mayberry Jr. are not too far off from the season-long numbers put up by Victorino.
A look at both of those things:
| VICTORINO vs. MAYBERRY, 2012 | |||||||
| GP | Avg. | OBA | Slg. | HR | RBI | Runs | |
| Victorino | 137 | .257 | .321 | .382 | 10 | 51 | 62 |
| Mayberry | 130 | .254 | .306 | .425 | 14 | 41 | 45 |
| SHANE VICTORINO'S RECORD | ||||
| With Victorino | Without Victorino | |||
| Through July 29 | Phillies | 45-57 | Dodgers | 56-47 |
| Since July 30 | Dodgers | 18-21 | Phillies | 26-14 |
| Totals | 63-78 (.447) |
82-61 (.573) |
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Comments (28)
Well, Shane is better defensively and has a huge edge in speed, but even the once enthused Dodgers announcers have turned sour on him. His bat speed is slower than it was in Philly. Maybe he's playing hurt like so many speculated before the trade.— djmarco- I do like Shane, but I honestly think he's a bit of a head case and his angst about the trade deadline impacted his play here and created a malaise that spread over the entire team. Now in LA, he realizes he's technically their 4th outfielder and once again is anxious about where he will be next season. GO PHILLIES!!!!! We're only 4 back in the WC hunt now!!!!— bingbangbong
- You can't beat Vic's defense. Over the last few years, our overall d. has gone down dramaticly. I cringe every time Mayberry "glides" to catch a ball. Get to the spot FAST---then catch it.— MJSI
- For those of us who select players by their ability and not their
nationality, or the color of their skin, the Phillies have no one in the outfield good enough to carry Victorino's jock strap !
He's given us years of good baseball. The best player in the outfield is Juan Pierre, a dependable hitter with spaghetti for an arm.
After this audition, the GM's will kick tires looking for a deal to unload their problems. Hopefully whomever we get , he/they will complete the puzzle. I'm impressed with the talent shown by our minor league players. They are exciting.
The author of this blog is forgettable. Victorino is not the cause of the Dodger's troubles. Injuries are !— phineas - please the dodgers and phillies record since the trade are the result of SO many other factors— main liner
- Shane Victorino always had holes in his game. He made bonehead plays at inopportune moments--which didn't show up when the rest of the team was winning 102 games last season. He lost track of pitch counts. He wandered off bases. He popped up an inordinate amount of times with runners in scoring position. You could say that when the team showed holes in its game, Victorino's same errors were magnified. The Phillies awful pitching early in the year couldn't make up for the run not scored on offense. The Dodgers' inability to score runs is exascerbated by Victorino's passion for the pop out. This year, he is playing like a man possessed...by the spirit of Mitt Romney!— gotedge
- Nothing more than a fluke. No one was taking shots at him when he was anchoring CF during our epic 5-year run. One player does not carry or sink a franchise.— jklinger
- This article is just space filler. Not worthy of the web space used. Please........— Mystified
- Just ask Cliff Lee about Victorino's defense.— dasher
- Phillies bullpen for 2/3rds of the season wasn't much beter than an American Legion bullpen...............yet it was our All-Star (Gold Glove) CF's fault! Lotta thought there.................Can ANYONE write a article on here???????????— Phinally
- A bad player on a bad team... What's your point?— Lttim76(2)
- wouldn't it be hilarious if Victorino -- or Blanton or Pence ultimately become the proximate cause of the end of the Phils' season?— warbiscuit
- Victorino right now is playing the role of the prideful veteran. In 2011 he was having an MVP candidate season. On September 1 he was hitting .307 with a .919 OPS and fell apart hitting .186 the rest of the way. He never got back on track and has shown the same "what me worry?" attitude that made Jimmy Rollins a .250 hitter the last 4 years. Both of those guys have the ability to be playing much better but neither seem to be willing to work at it, maybe seeing that as a sign of weakness. Love Victorino and what he brought to the table when he was on, but expected the team to soar without him (and Pence).— jtj10
- Conversely, Biscuit, wouldn't it be hilarious if Papelbon saves the final game for a wild card spot. Or, better yet, that piece of garbage you called Aumont. I have a feeling you would prefer to see them fail if either one of them are involved.— dirttracker
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