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Tuesday, September 30, 2008

It is a lonely, singular burden, that of being Andy Reid's defense attorney. But I soldier on.

The subject today is replay challenges, and the fact that Reid didn't make any in a couple of big situations on Sunday night against the Bears. One was on a close touchdown pass to the Bears' Greg Olsen in the first quarter. The other was on a close spot in the second quarter on a third down play -- and, three plays later, the Bears scored again.

It is said that Reid should have challenged both.

I don't think so.

Look -- Andy does not like to challenge. The truth is, Andy likes to challenge even less than he likes his running game. Since 1999, the Eagles have challenged fewer times than any team in the NFL (except for the Houston Texans, who weren't even a team until 2002). Reid just doesn't do it much. In all of that time, only 13 reversals have gone in the Eagles' favor (plus two more on reviews initiated from the replay booth). For whatever it's worth, his percentage of success is right there with the rest of the coaches. He just doesn't do it much.

All of that said, given the information at hand, he was right on Sunday night.

The Olsen play was a touchdown. It just was. It was close but it was a touchdown. You don't challenge just for the hell of it -- at least not there. It was called a touchdown on the field and there was nothing resembling convincing evidence on tape that it could be overturned. It just would have been a waste of a timeout and a challenge.

Now, for the spot. The truth is, the Eagles did appear to get screwed on the play. Watching it with the naked eye, in real time, as it was happening, it is fair to say that it crossed the mind of some people that the spot was overly generous. Seeing the replay, it seemed pretty clear that the spot was overly generous. If he had challenged, it might very well have been overturned.

But here was the problem -- which I didn't realized until I got home and fired up the DVR. NBC never showed a replay until after the measurment had been taken, after the ruling had been made in the Bears' favor, after the sticks had been moved and re-set. Even then, the replay was from behind the runner, not from the side -- so you couldn't tell anything definitive about the spotting of the ball, even then.

The coaches upstairs in the booth rely on the same television replays that you see to make their decisions. In the absence of a replay, they have nothing except what they saw with their naked eyes in real time. There is a chance that somebody wondered aloud about the spot and expressed that to Reid through the headphones -- but it could not have been anything stronger than wondering. Nobody got a second look at it before the decision had to be made. Given that, how can you challenge?    

There was one more play, the Correll Buckhalter touchdown/no touchdown at the end. My immediate reaction was to challenge, just because. Upon further consultation with one of my co-counsels, I think that with two timeouts remaining, to blow one on a futile challenge there would have been wrong -- and it would have been futile. There was no clear evidence of anything but a train wreck. And the timeout was going to be valuable if the defense could have held the Bears without a first down.

With that, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I rest my case.

Posted by Rich Hofmann @ 10:14 AM  Permalink | 35 comments
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Posted 02:20 AM, 10/01/2008
JimEisenreich
um, i was sitting in section 444 and saw the awful spot. anybody in the booth watching the live TV feed would have seen a perfect angle s it happened. if theres nobody watching the live tv feed just for this purpose, then andy reid is running a terribly inefficient organization. i rest my case
Posted 01:56 AM, 10/01/2008
jimqk
If the Eagles and Andy Reid get their heads straight, then maybe the following prediction could become a reality. Oct. 5 Washington, 1:00 PM ET This game should be a victory. Eagles 31 Redskins 17 Oct 12 - at San Francisco, 4:15 PM ET This game should be a blowout. Eagles 28 49ers 10 Oct 19 - Open Oct 26 - vs. Atlanta, 1:00 PM ET Eagles 24 Falcons 3 Nov 2 - at Seattle, 4:15 PM ET This will be a loss. Seahawks 21 Eagles 17 Nov 9 - vs. NY Giants, 8:15 PM ET This has to be a win. Eagles 28 Giants 24 Nov 16 - at Cincinnati, 1:00 PM ET Eagles 41 Bengals 14 Nov 23 - at Baltimore, 1:00 PM ET This will be one of those games the Eagles will have to win to be a championship team. Eagles 20 Ravens 19 Nov 27 - vs. Arizona, 8:15 PM ET Eagles 28 Cardinals 21 Dec 7 - at NY Giants, 1:00 PM ET Because of that Chicago game, this becomes a must win. Eagles 34 Giants 31 Dec 15 - vs. Cleveland, 8:30 PM ET Eagles 40 Browns 39 Dec 21 - at Washington, 1:00 PM ET The Eagles will lose either this game or the Giants game a couple of weeks earlier. So, we'll say the bird fall here. Redskins 28 Eagles 10 Dec 28 - vs. Dallas, 1:00 PM ET This will be the game that decides the division winner. Eagles 35 Cowboys 7 There. The Eagles end the year with a 12-4 record. I hope you're reading this Andy. It could be that easy.
Posted 01:44 AM, 10/01/2008
jimqk
The bottom line is this: The Eagles cannot afford to lose games to the likes of the Chicago Bears, a team that will go nowhere this year. Moreover, the Eagles cannot afford to lose against the Redskins on Sunday because if they do, the season will be over. There will be no way for the Eagles to recover from a 2-3 start in the NFC East. Not this year. The Eagles need to beat the Redskins, and then they need to beat the 49ers so they have a 4-2 record going into the bye week. Even a 4-2 record will be no guarantee for the balance of the season. This team will need to win some big road games later in the year to make the playoffs. The team will probably have to do no worse than 11-5, but the best we could hope for is probably a 12-4 record.
Posted 11:43 PM, 09/30/2008
davetheherman
Sometimes you gotta go with your gut...in Andy's case that red flag should be thrown on every play. But definitely on the spot, that was crucial.
Posted 09:01 PM, 09/30/2008
nephilly78
even his players said challenge the call but unless its dealing with all you can night at SIZZLER he wont listen!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted 05:40 PM, 09/30/2008
a.b.s.
REPORT ABUSE!! REPORT IT RIGHT NOW FOR THAT POOR UNFORTUNATE BELT ANDY IS WEARING IN THE PICTURE!
Posted 05:24 PM, 09/30/2008
a.b.s.
wow, andy might hire you to help out his kids too Rich!! But I aint buyin it.. THROW THE FLAG ANDY!! wow that belt looks like it's holding on for dear life in that picture of him up top.
Posted 03:37 PM, 09/30/2008
losteagle
Andy Reid is a good man. Now to coaching OK! Now calling plays he is an idot! My question is for the last 5 years how come he didn't build team like Dallas? Excellent running game where is it? Excellent wide receivers and I will give you the one year with T O ? Now here is the problem the only other coach out there to replace is? whats that guys name up there in New England? So what is the answer take away all offense play calling from Reid and judding talent in players! Hire the best OC that is out there and hire someone who knows about talent maybe from Cowboys staff! Otherwise this boat will not float now or anytime soon!
Posted 03:21 PM, 09/30/2008
Bubba
Am I the only one that saw a facemask penalty on the Bears when Buck was trying to score on 4th down? He was clearly fouled. Are we not allowed to challenge the spot on the field even though we clearly didn't score. It would have showed the foul to the refs who should have called it and gave them another shot halway closer to the end zone.
Posted 03:00 PM, 09/30/2008
duffers
I'm still amazed I didnt throw a beer through the TV on Sunday night. Schoebel's "attempt" at blocking on that 4th and goal was a joke. On another subject, can somebody tell me why we pay LJ Smith anything at all when he either can't get on the field or is invisible when he plays? It took me 3 quarters to realize he wasnt playing because I'm so used to not hearing his name at all.
Posted 02:01 PM, 09/30/2008
TBear
I know that had to hurt ya Rich....thanks. There is enough legitimate criticism of Andy without this stupid stuff.
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Posted 01:34 PM, 09/30/2008
Philly Dom
Did anyone else notice that Buckhalter was tackled by the facemask on the 4th & goal play. The Bears D-end came down the line unblocked and put Buckhalter in a headlock completely twisting his head.
Posted 01:32 PM, 09/30/2008
rvb2321
Hey Genius, do you feel that Bill Cowher is a good coach??? It took him 14 years to win a super bowl. Is Vermiel a good coach??? it took him 10 years. Andy Reid although not the biggest fan, is the best coach in Eagles history (warts and all).
Posted 01:28 PM, 09/30/2008
main liner
ok - now try defending running the same play 4 times on the goal-line... mix it up...
Posted 01:10 PM, 09/30/2008
KDawg2600
Structebc, You can only challenge the spot of the ball as it relates to a touchdown or a first down. If he challenged it for a touchdown and they saw that the spot was 2 feet off, they would re-spot it two feet. But since it wasn't a touchdown, the challenge would fail and a timeout would also be taken away.
Posted 12:52 PM, 09/30/2008
ec420de
The coach does not execute the plays on the field the players do ...enough said.
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Posted 12:39 PM, 09/30/2008
gregb
I don't care about this team anymore.
Posted 12:22 PM, 09/30/2008
Bake McBride
Shoebel bashing is worthy. Man, did he ever miss on that block! Look at ManCrush's image again. If Shoebel doesn't miss, Buck gets in and the Birds win that game. http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9306/img2238ch6.jpg
Posted 12:22 PM, 09/30/2008
Bobphxville
What about the waste of the time out before the 4th down play? They should have anticipated not making it on 3rd down and already decided the play for 4th down. The time out also permitted the Chicago defense to rest and to strategize as well...In addition, we didn't have that time out to use when we needed it to stop the clock at the end of the game...
Posted 12:03 PM, 09/30/2008
kxopsu
Andy Reid holds on to flags, like their cheeseburgers he's going to eat after the game. He never wants to challenge because he's afraid he'll lose a timeout. In the first half, who cares about timeouts when you are dealing with a touchdown? Same mistake happened in Dallas when we kicked a field goal instead of challenging and getting 7 pts.
Posted 12:02 PM, 09/30/2008
rvb2321
Challenges are one of Andy's weaknesses because he does not pull the trigger. As for Sunday, I thought it was silly that the broadcast team suggested it even though they follow it up by saying that it was a TD but I would ask for the review anyway. Why, so you can burn a timeout early in the game? When it comes to the 4th and 1+, I would not have tried it either because I do want to save the timeouts and the opponent is on the 1. I would have had a better package in there by having Klecko in there at FB to clear some extra space. I would have challenged the spot because there were several people, including Cole who said it was generous. When it comes to what we saw, that is only what NBC showed us. There are many cameras working on that play with at least one showing the error.
Posted 12:00 PM, 09/30/2008
LJL
Too many mistakes at gametime: Not challenging the first Chicago TD. Not challenging the 4th & goal. Four running plays between the tackles???? If McNabb was "too sore" to QB sneak or roll out, then think outside the box - like bring in Kolb for the play. You don't think THAT would cause some Chicage confusion? And going for it on a 51 yard FG IN SOLDIER FIELD? When your kicker has been twitchy ANYWHERE when he is over 40 yards out? I've defended Reid, but this was a horribly coached game. Horrible.
Posted 11:56 AM, 09/30/2008
Structrebc
This game was not Andy's fault. Or the refs fault. The players just didn't execute. However, had he challenged the SPOT on the 4th and goal play, I think he would have won the challenge and saved a timeout. I'm not saying it would have been a touchdown, but the Buck clearly got it at least to the one foot line instead of right on the one yard line where the Bears started the next play. The way our rush defense is, that's a pretty good shot at a safety (Forte was stopped behind the line of scrimmage 1/3 of the time). You get a safety with 2:40, you have the ball at your own 40 (assuming a 40 yard net on the return) and you have two timeouts and all you need is a field goal. But, maybe there's a rule that says if you challenge and it's not a touchdown, then they're not going to move the ball back two feet. In which case, ignore this post.
Posted 11:43 AM, 09/30/2008
gho_matt
Stupid play call...
Posted 11:39 AM, 09/30/2008
jayb773
Getting away from Andy bashing a bit......and on to Schoebel bashing. WHAT IN GOD'S NAME WAS HE DOING ON THAT PLAY??? For those of you that can, please go back and look at it. I understand that the goalline offense has to fire off toward the inside and take the guy in the gap and drive him back........but there was nobody lined up near him except for Alex Brown (#96). The ball was snapped, and HE JUST FREAKIN' TOOK A STEP FORWARD AND STOOD THERE? And Brown went around him and made the stop. Ridiculous......there was another article on here this morning about holding some of the players accountable (benching/cutting them) for what went on Sunday night. I think Schoebel should start looking for another job. They could have put Booker in his place and gotten the same result......and Booker looks like he's never thrown a block in his life.
Posted 11:39 AM, 09/30/2008
iceman
Shouldn't all of this be about risk/reward, Rich? I thought Chicago scored a touchdown, but isn't it worth throwing a flag if you have a 20 percent chance of getting seven points taken off the board? That extra timeout didn't help them at the end of the half -- it usually doesn't -- anyway.
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Posted 11:29 AM, 09/30/2008
UtleyManCrush
Bake - I agree with you that this it is not from directly above the goaline and after thinking it through, might not be conclusive. At the very least, the play was much closer than I originally thought. To be fair, the refs probably wouldn't have overturned.
Posted 11:21 AM, 09/30/2008
jb99
forget the camera replays. trent cole told andy to challenge the spot. but alas, no one can tell andy anything.
Posted 11:01 AM, 09/30/2008
eagsfan
Rich The coach is watching the game too sometimes you challenge on Instinct. He definitely should have challenged the spot regardless. It was huge. Also Whats the harm in challenging the Olsen TD ?? Sometimes they do overturn things . you had to know the Bears have a hard time scoring points. You take 7 ( or 14 ) away and thats Huge. Losing a timeout early in the first half is not THAT big a deal. STOP defending Andy !!!
Posted 11:00 AM, 09/30/2008
Bake McBride
ManCrush, that is a great image, but it is clearly NOT from directly above the goal line. Take a look at the Eagles helmet on the left and the shadow it casts on the player's left shoulder. (Shoebel?) This camera was directly above maybe the 5 or 10 yard line, not the goal line. What it demonstrates to me is that Buck was maybe 4 inches short.
Posted 10:41 AM, 09/30/2008
Eagles_Fan_In_Georgia
Rich, while I've often enjoyed your articles, in this case, I believe that you've missed the point entirely. Had the Eagles' offensive braintrust called a better game against the Chicago Bears, a team that was definitley beatable, the two non-existent challenges you've cited would hvae not been an issue. So, while your "client" may be innocent of the charge you've elected to argue against, the fact of the matter is that, had Coach Reid and his staff committed a much more egregious error by failing to cultivate a reliable runnng game - not only for this game, in particular, but at any time during his ten-year tenure as Head Coach of the Philadelphia Eagles (other than, perhaps, during the one year of the three-headed monster). Andy Reid has no doubt been quite successful, yes - but the team could have been so much more so given the circumstances he's faced (a weakened NFC East for all but the past two years, or so).
Posted 10:36 AM, 09/30/2008
UtleyManCrush
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9306/img2238ch6.jpg he should have challenged - it was a TD
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Rich Hofmann arrived at the Daily News in 1980 for a job whose status was officially designated as "full-time, temporary." A senior at Penn at the time, he was hired to fill in on the copy desk during a staff illness. The notion of him covering the Eagles or being a columnist did not exist in anyone's imagination. It was supposed to be six weeks and out, but he never left. It is only one of the reasons why so many people have concerns about him as a potential house guest. Rich has blogged the postseasons of the Flyers and Eagles.

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