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Tuesday, September 30, 2008

It is a lonely, singular burden, that of being Andy Reid's defense attorney. But I soldier on.

The subject today is replay challenges, and the fact that Reid didn't make any in a couple of big situations on Sunday night against the Bears. One was on a close touchdown pass to the Bears' Greg Olsen in the first quarter. The other was on a close spot in the second quarter on a third down play -- and, three plays later, the Bears scored again.

It is said that Reid should have challenged both.

I don't think so.

Look -- Andy does not like to challenge. The truth is, Andy likes to challenge even less than he likes his running game. Since 1999, the Eagles have challenged fewer times than any team in the NFL (except for the Houston Texans, who weren't even a team until 2002). Reid just doesn't do it much. In all of that time, only 13 reversals have gone in the Eagles' favor (plus two more on reviews initiated from the replay booth). For whatever it's worth, his percentage of success is right there with the rest of the coaches. He just doesn't do it much.

All of that said, given the information at hand, he was right on Sunday night.

The Olsen play was a touchdown. It just was. It was close but it was a touchdown. You don't challenge just for the hell of it -- at least not there. It was called a touchdown on the field and there was nothing resembling convincing evidence on tape that it could be overturned. It just would have been a waste of a timeout and a challenge.

Now, for the spot. The truth is, the Eagles did appear to get screwed on the play. Watching it with the naked eye, in real time, as it was happening, it is fair to say that it crossed the mind of some people that the spot was overly generous. Seeing the replay, it seemed pretty clear that the spot was overly generous. If he had challenged, it might very well have been overturned.

But here was the problem -- which I didn't realized until I got home and fired up the DVR. NBC never showed a replay until after the measurment had been taken, after the ruling had been made in the Bears' favor, after the sticks had been moved and re-set. Even then, the replay was from behind the runner, not from the side -- so you couldn't tell anything definitive about the spotting of the ball, even then.

The coaches upstairs in the booth rely on the same television replays that you see to make their decisions. In the absence of a replay, they have nothing except what they saw with their naked eyes in real time. There is a chance that somebody wondered aloud about the spot and expressed that to Reid through the headphones -- but it could not have been anything stronger than wondering. Nobody got a second look at it before the decision had to be made. Given that, how can you challenge?    

There was one more play, the Correll Buckhalter touchdown/no touchdown at the end. My immediate reaction was to challenge, just because. Upon further consultation with one of my co-counsels, I think that with two timeouts remaining, to blow one on a futile challenge there would have been wrong -- and it would have been futile. There was no clear evidence of anything but a train wreck. And the timeout was going to be valuable if the defense could have held the Bears without a first down.

With that, ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I rest my case.

Posted by Rich Hofmann @ 10:14 AM  Permalink | 35 comments
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Posted 10:36 AM, 09/30/2008
UtleyManCrush
http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/9306/img2238ch6.jpg he should have challenged - it was a TD
Posted 10:41 AM, 09/30/2008
Eagles_Fan_In_Georgia
Rich, while I've often enjoyed your articles, in this case, I believe that you've missed the point entirely. Had the Eagles' offensive braintrust called a better game against the Chicago Bears, a team that was definitley beatable, the two non-existent challenges you've cited would hvae not been an issue. So, while your "client" may be innocent of the charge you've elected to argue against, the fact of the matter is that, had Coach Reid and his staff committed a much more egregious error by failing to cultivate a reliable runnng game - not only for this game, in particular, but at any time during his ten-year tenure as Head Coach of the Philadelphia Eagles (other than, perhaps, during the one year of the three-headed monster). Andy Reid has no doubt been quite successful, yes - but the team could have been so much more so given the circumstances he's faced (a weakened NFC East for all but the past two years, or so).
Posted 11:00 AM, 09/30/2008
Bake McBride
ManCrush, that is a great image, but it is clearly NOT from directly above the goal line. Take a look at the Eagles helmet on the left and the shadow it casts on the player's left shoulder. (Shoebel?) This camera was directly above maybe the 5 or 10 yard line, not the goal line. What it demonstrates to me is that Buck was maybe 4 inches short.
Posted 11:01 AM, 09/30/2008
eagsfan
Rich The coach is watching the game too sometimes you challenge on Instinct. He definitely should have challenged the spot regardless. It was huge. Also Whats the harm in challenging the Olsen TD ?? Sometimes they do overturn things . you had to know the Bears have a hard time scoring points. You take 7 ( or 14 ) away and thats Huge. Losing a timeout early in the first half is not THAT big a deal. STOP defending Andy !!!
Posted 11:21 AM, 09/30/2008
jb99
forget the camera replays. trent cole told andy to challenge the spot. but alas, no one can tell andy anything.
Posted 11:29 AM, 09/30/2008
UtleyManCrush
Bake - I agree with you that this it is not from directly above the goaline and after thinking it through, might not be conclusive. At the very least, the play was much closer than I originally thought. To be fair, the refs probably wouldn't have overturned.
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Posted 11:39 AM, 09/30/2008
iceman
Shouldn't all of this be about risk/reward, Rich? I thought Chicago scored a touchdown, but isn't it worth throwing a flag if you have a 20 percent chance of getting seven points taken off the board? That extra timeout didn't help them at the end of the half -- it usually doesn't -- anyway.
Posted 11:39 AM, 09/30/2008
jayb773
Getting away from Andy bashing a bit......and on to Schoebel bashing. WHAT IN GOD'S NAME WAS HE DOING ON THAT PLAY??? For those of you that can, please go back and look at it. I understand that the goalline offense has to fire off toward the inside and take the guy in the gap and drive him back........but there was nobody lined up near him except for Alex Brown (#96). The ball was snapped, and HE JUST FREAKIN' TOOK A STEP FORWARD AND STOOD THERE? And Brown went around him and made the stop. Ridiculous......there was another article on here this morning about holding some of the players accountable (benching/cutting them) for what went on Sunday night. I think Schoebel should start looking for another job. They could have put Booker in his place and gotten the same result......and Booker looks like he's never thrown a block in his life.
Posted 11:43 AM, 09/30/2008
gho_matt
Stupid play call...
Posted 11:56 AM, 09/30/2008
Structrebc
This game was not Andy's fault. Or the refs fault. The players just didn't execute. However, had he challenged the SPOT on the 4th and goal play, I think he would have won the challenge and saved a timeout. I'm not saying it would have been a touchdown, but the Buck clearly got it at least to the one foot line instead of right on the one yard line where the Bears started the next play. The way our rush defense is, that's a pretty good shot at a safety (Forte was stopped behind the line of scrimmage 1/3 of the time). You get a safety with 2:40, you have the ball at your own 40 (assuming a 40 yard net on the return) and you have two timeouts and all you need is a field goal. But, maybe there's a rule that says if you challenge and it's not a touchdown, then they're not going to move the ball back two feet. In which case, ignore this post.
Posted 12:00 PM, 09/30/2008
LJL
Too many mistakes at gametime: Not challenging the first Chicago TD. Not challenging the 4th & goal. Four running plays between the tackles???? If McNabb was "too sore" to QB sneak or roll out, then think outside the box - like bring in Kolb for the play. You don't think THAT would cause some Chicage confusion? And going for it on a 51 yard FG IN SOLDIER FIELD? When your kicker has been twitchy ANYWHERE when he is over 40 yards out? I've defended Reid, but this was a horribly coached game. Horrible.
Posted 12:02 PM, 09/30/2008
rvb2321
Challenges are one of Andy's weaknesses because he does not pull the trigger. As for Sunday, I thought it was silly that the broadcast team suggested it even though they follow it up by saying that it was a TD but I would ask for the review anyway. Why, so you can burn a timeout early in the game? When it comes to the 4th and 1+, I would not have tried it either because I do want to save the timeouts and the opponent is on the 1. I would have had a better package in there by having Klecko in there at FB to clear some extra space. I would have challenged the spot because there were several people, including Cole who said it was generous. When it comes to what we saw, that is only what NBC showed us. There are many cameras working on that play with at least one showing the error.
Posted 12:03 PM, 09/30/2008
kxopsu
Andy Reid holds on to flags, like their cheeseburgers he's going to eat after the game. He never wants to challenge because he's afraid he'll lose a timeout. In the first half, who cares about timeouts when you are dealing with a touchdown? Same mistake happened in Dallas when we kicked a field goal instead of challenging and getting 7 pts.
Posted 12:22 PM, 09/30/2008
Bobphxville
What about the waste of the time out before the 4th down play? They should have anticipated not making it on 3rd down and already decided the play for 4th down. The time out also permitted the Chicago defense to rest and to strategize as well...In addition, we didn't have that time out to use when we needed it to stop the clock at the end of the game...
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Rich Hofmann arrived at the Daily News in 1980 for a job whose status was officially designated as "full-time, temporary." A senior at Penn at the time, he was hired to fill in on the copy desk during a staff illness. The notion of him covering the Eagles or being a columnist did not exist in anyone's imagination. It was supposed to be six weeks and out, but he never left. It is only one of the reasons why so many people have concerns about him as a potential house guest. Rich has blogged the postseasons of the Flyers and Eagles.

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