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Parise, Suter to Minn.; Flyers go to Plan B

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Parise, Suter to Minn.; Flyers go to Plan B

POSTED: Wednesday, July 4, 2012, 11:58 AM
Ryan Suter (left) and Zach Parise (right) have not made their decisions yet. (AP Photos)

What should Flyers do now?
Sign Matt Carle
Pursue Shane Doan
Trade for Bobby Ryan
Trade for Rick Nash
None of the above

   The Flyers made huge offers, but in the end, they fell on deaf ears.

   Defenseman Ryan Suter and left winger Zach Parise, the prizes in this year's free-agent pool, signed with the Minnesota Wild, a team that hasn't made the playoffs during the last four seasons.

    Parise, a Minnesota native,and Suter each received 13-year deals for $98 million. That's an annual cap hit of $7.54 million, which is seventh in the NHL.

    The Flyers are believed to have offered each player a 12-year contract in the $100 million neighborhood.

    At 11 a.m., the Flyers had not heard from the Suter or Parise camps on Wednesday _ and that seemed like a negative sign.

   On Twitter, some Flyers fans said it would be fitting for the duo to make the announcement that they were coming to America's birthplace _ Philadelphia _ on the Fourth of July.

   Ah, dream on.

    Suter and Parise are close friends and they conferred with each other during the free-agency period, fueling speculation they would be a package deal.

    The speculation turned into reality.

    They will try to help the Wild win their first playoff series since 2003.

    The Flyers will turn their attention to trying to sign UFA defenseman Matt Carle. If he is commanding $5.5 million per year, the Flyers should pass.

   Carle is talented and would help the Flyers, but in the long run, a multi-year deal with that kind of financial commitment might hamstring the club in the future.

    Free-agent winger Shane Doan interests the Flyers, but he will stay in Phoenix if the franchise doesn't move. He said he will decide by July 9; by that time it should be known if the Coyotes are remaining in Phoenix.

    The Flyers will try to deal for either Anaheim's Bobby Ryan ($5.1 million cap hit for next three years) or Columbus' Rick Nash ($7.8 million cap hit for next six years), a pair of high-scoring forwards who would give them some much-needed size on the wings.

  (more coming)

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Comments  (112)
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:01 PM, 07/04/2012
    Sam, neither is worth the cap hit.
    eglftbl1
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:11 PM, 07/04/2012
    This comment has been deleted.
    mrjetsondc420
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:15 PM, 07/04/2012
    Because, Borat, the FLyers organization is the 2nd winningest in NHL history second only to the Montreal Canadiens. It is a pure hockey town with knowledable fans and the intense scrutiny that goes along with that. An playerthat avoids Philly because of the spotlight I wouldn't want here anyway so its just as well.

    Get a new pic cheesedic
    jfq722
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:41 PM, 07/04/2012
    I never thought those two would come to Philly, I'm just relieved that they didn't sign with the Pens.

    P.S. Tiny Tommy is at it again, using his 14 Philly.com IDs to badmouth the Flyers and Eagles:


    The-General = Big Tom threw 3!, = BigTomRules = SUPREME ONE = FLYERS LOSERS = Bangyourw6 = Chuckys fiancée = Dustin Bufflin = STEPHEN1988 = Joe Banner - Eagles President = PastisPrologue = AngryChair = thing fish = mrjetsondc420
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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:49 PM, 07/04/2012
    Every one hates car dealers: They rip people off with super high list prices, them scam them again by underpaying for their trade in, rip them off a third time with overpriced financing, then a 4th shaft job with unneeded extended warranties.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:55 PM, 07/04/2012
    I think this is an excellent analogy, but not for the same reason. People hate buying cars because they don't know what they want, how much they want to spend, how much they can spend, have poor credit, or the value of the car they're buying - or all of the above. If Homer knows what it is his club needs, knows his club's short- and long-term financial prospects, doesn't spend all his available cap space, and can measure the value of the players he's seeking, the process becomes much less like stumbling around in the dark and much more like part of a master plan. I hope he knows all these things when he goes into the showroom.

    (I hate buying cars, too.)
    sklandog
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:02 PM, 07/04/2012
    Bravo on the ex post facto prediction, FF4L. Well done.
    icarus
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:35 AM, 07/05/2012
    As momma always said you can't help it when your a born @$$h0le.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:57 PM, 07/04/2012
    2nd winningest NHL franchise with nothing to show its fans since 1975...thats 37 years and counting. The Flyers are becoming the old BoSox of the NHL. Lots of winning seasons, some teases in the playoffs, but nothing to show for it. The goalie carousel since Pele Lindburgh has been a disgrace. The fire sale of Carter, Richards, and Gagne sure didn't hurt the Kings this year. Bobrosky was a good young goalie with plenty of upside, but instead, we are stuck with the headcase of Bryzgolov. Jagr "had one of the most enjoyable" seasons ever, then bolts. Free agents know the score card in Philly....good enough for the playoffs, show some signs of life (Pittburgh beat down), the go out like a house of cards. Love the Flyers, but come on now, 2nd winningest franchise? I'd take the Detroit Red Wings record (and Cups) over the Flyers "regular season" win percentage.
    drhoffman
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:53 AM, 07/05/2012
    You sir, are a born @$$h0le. Did your mother drop you on the head too many times as an infant or did you get a degree in @$$h0ololgy from @$$h@t University?
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:28 PM, 07/04/2012
    Failing to win the cup? Sure. But think about how many teams fail to make the playoffs year after year. As jfq722 says below, the Flyers are the 2nd winningest franchise in NHL history. They're actually #1 since the expansion (and is it really that big a deal that Montreal won the cup a bunch of times when there were only 5 other teams in the league?). The Flyers can be relied on to make the playoffs year after year. Year after year they are contenders for the ultimate prize. In a way this makes it more painful when they fall short, but I wouldn't trade that for a team that wins the cup every 8 years but sucks every year in between.
    metapede
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:10 PM, 07/04/2012
    Its the same thing for the Toronto Maple Leafs.....But at least Philly can draft players.......and don't mind offering the big contracts.
    shmoo
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:57 PM, 07/05/2012
    I get a kick out of people like you who neglect to mention which team you're a fan of (if you even have a team) and offer ridiculous and fictional comments like the one you posted. Listen up chump: there are 30 NHL teams and only one survivor at season's end, meaning 29 non-survivors. Therefore the odds of the Flyers being that one team are one in thirty. Next time put a little thought into your post or simply watch, read and learn.
    oaky7
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:14 PM, 07/04/2012
    We could unload salary to fit both in.
    matthew76
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:26 PM, 07/04/2012
    Minnesota? May as well be Russia.
    NYPHILLYPHAN
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:31 PM, 07/04/2012
    Well, it is nice to see Parise play for his home area :) I think the Flyers should go after Semin.... You wouldn't have to commit long term to him I would imagine and we have the money to sign him.....He is an underrated two way player...He played well against the Rangers...I would like to see him on the Flyers. Doan would be a fan favorite...i think either one would serve the Flyers purposes....As for Defense, the Flyers have a good defense when healthy as it stands even without Carle....I like Carle but he maybe overpriced. In that case, i say sign someone to fill the gap until a trade on a salary dump can be had or maybe another option comes up in the future...I just want the Flyers to sign a very good forward at this point..
    feudal_nobility09
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:32 PM, 07/04/2012
    Best result ever! Now go get Ryan and Yandle!!
    rubberbullet
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:32 PM, 07/04/2012
    DO NOT TRADE ONE OF THE YOUNG GUNS FOR NASH OR RYAN.
    brio
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:49 PM, 07/04/2012
    I sort of agree. I want no part of Nash whatsoever - between what you give up for him, what you pay him, and the likelihood of declining production from here on out, acquiring him would be a big mistake. But I'd give up B. Schenn for B. Ryan in a heartbeat, with appropriate prospects/picks going in either direction. Don't you pretty much hope that Schenn (20) will some day grow into the player that Ryan (25) is right now, and that you'll be able to keep him through his most productive years (which Ryan is probably just entering right now)?
    1980
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:33 PM, 07/04/2012
    Neither of these guys was ever going to sign with us. If Parise wouldn't go to the Rangers because he has always been a Devil, why would he think any differently about us? And Suter made it clear he didn't want to play here. Parise is from MN, Suter is from WI, so both are going home, more or less. More power to them! And while Jagr was a good signing last year, his groin isn't going to get any better at 41 than it was at 40. He was totaly MIA in the playoffs. So we need a D and a RW. Presumably Homer has his Plan B and Plan C... time to get to work, and quickly.
    Richard S
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:33 PM, 07/04/2012
    Congratulations to Suter and Parise; I wish them well. I think its great they went to a smaller market :) Sign Semin, underrated....yeah his effort is not consistent but maybe in a different environment it will be...he played well for Dale Hunter
    feudal_nobility09
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:42 PM, 07/04/2012
    When it comes to hockey, there's nothing small about the market in Minnesota. The level of hockey knowledge there is on a par with anything in Canada.
    icarus
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:33 PM, 07/04/2012
    Bet people in North jersey are gettin ready to jump off the bridge . . . Wait ... do they even have bridges there ???
    ingy9
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:34 PM, 07/04/2012
    Good! Signing them would have been tragic to the salary cap! Let this young team grow! Add defensive depth and pray Bryz gets it together!
    edith bunker
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:34 PM, 07/04/2012
    I am glad. I hate overpaying because of the few high end players available. Next year is a talented group. Weber and Cory Perry would be better for the same cash.
    CanadianPhilly
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:36 PM, 07/04/2012
    thats great. I am not surprised niether guy wants to play in front of a fan base that destroys the goallie when he has a garbage defense in front of him but somehow it is all the goallies fault 24/7. I dont get it. I am not a hockey expert but according to Clemente their D was ranked 20th last year, and they havent won a cup scoring a bazillion goals every year in 3 decades. What do you expect. Stop blaming the goallie and understand defense wins championships, not scorng a ton of goals, playing crappy defense, and then blaming the goallie.
    CharlieGarner25
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:49 PM, 07/04/2012
    Since you say your no hockey expert, ill clue you in. Non screened wrist shots from 50 feet away that go in are not the defenses fault.
    Sidewinder7
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:05 PM, 07/04/2012
    of course not, but most of the goals bryz gave up were not unblocked wrist shots from 50 feet. That was maybe 5% of the goals he gave up or less. 95% of the time there IS a guy in his way, blockin his view who also does NOT do anything to deflected the puck, thus screwing up his chance to see what is happening in front of him to evn do anything. Either that or a guy is STANING IN FRONT OF THE NET next to an attacker and does NOTHING to help bryz as he like watches guys skate in clean and take a free shot. That is flat out bad defense and most of his goals were a combination of failure to block shot by the D or failure to even be in the right place apparently. Most of the time its not his fault. 20th D is not good and it shows.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:59 PM, 07/04/2012
    Agreed, you're not a hockey expert (in fact, I'm pretty sure you're a self-professed Andy Reid expert, aren't you?). If you were, and if you actually watched the Flyers night in and night out like a lot of us do, you'd know that except for the months of October and March, the Flyers' goaltenders spent most of the season hovering somewhere between disappointing and abominable. There's plenty of blame to spread among the D-men, but in this case you're incorrect about the extent to which Bryz and Bob were responsible for the awful team defense: they were Public Enemies 1 and 2, no question.
    1980
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:51 PM, 07/04/2012
    It isn't so much a matter of whiffing goalies or shot-blocking d-men. It's more a matter of how much time opponents have to shoot and the quality of the positions they have the time to shoot from. Watch any of the LA playoff wins this year and you'd have seen the difference.
    icarus
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:06 PM, 07/04/2012
    uh no, I am not wrong. I dont watch every game, as I am more of a casual hockey fan, but I did watch most of the replays and recaps and saw most of the "bad" goals flyers fans were complaing about and on MOST if not almost all there was BAD DEFENSE on the play which the professionals pointed out very clearly and also stated that IT WAS NOT BRYZ's FAULT. BRYZ USUALLY PLAYED OK BEHIND POOR DEFENSE. STOP BLAMING THE GOALLIE FOR EVERYTHING. I have to wonder if I know the game better then you and I Dont even watch it that much. come on.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:57 AM, 07/05/2012
    I really would rather shoot myself than agree with you but you are correct. The defense was the biggest issue and if you look at the playoffs the goalie was about 5% of the reason we lost. Fans are truly stupid, it's much easier for them to cop out and blame the goalie or coach than it is to see that the problems run much deeper than one guy. It's why they are fans and not GM's, thank god for that and we can only hope that Homer is a bit smarter than they are.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:36 PM, 07/04/2012
    As predicted. Zerooooooo shock! now you dumb Philly reporters can start talking about bobby Ryan. Semin not coming here bc he is horrible in locker room and lazy. Get ready for Voracek , read, mezaros for Ryan.
    fman727
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:37 PM, 07/04/2012
    I have not been this devastated since both Gomez and Drury went to the Rangers. And we all know how that worked out! In the long run, this deal works out well for the Flyers. It protects the Flyers from themselves. They need to stay the course. Suter would have been nice.
    AreaMan
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:37 PM, 07/04/2012
    Parise and Suter were just using the Flyers to drive up Minnesota's offer. There was no chance they'd sign here. Nash or Ryan are better fits anyway.
    socfiend
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:39 PM, 07/04/2012
    Thank goodness. The cap hits were absurd for very good--nowhere near great--players. We wouldn't have been able to do anything else. It's better to fill in with multiple pieces, but please do not pay more than $5 mil a year for Carle. Let him go if he commands more. Not worth it either. Great decision for the Flyers!
    farside37
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:40 PM, 07/04/2012
    do not trade our young players. future is more important.
    wlgj
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:41 PM, 07/04/2012
    09: Semin? You're kidding, right? When free agency started on Sunday while watching the panel from TSN, Semin was described in these terms: loser, coach killer, and bad teammate. Yes, he'd be perfect for the Flyers. Get a clue dude....
    BobbyD
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:18 PM, 07/04/2012
    Semin's plus minus rating has been fantastic the last 5 years and that says something. i am aware of the locker room type issues but on the right team with the right coach; he could work out. How about you get a clue? I mentioned Doan. If Semin is deemed too much of a problem, you can sign Doan but you can't deny Semin's talent even if his consistency is questioned. He played well in the playoffs against the Rangers and with such a high plus minus rating; I think his consistency might be somewhat overblown b/c such a consistent statistic does reveal some kind of truth. Do you rely on TSN experts? How about you get a clue and start thinking for yourself and tell me something I don't already know about Semin.
    feudal_nobility09
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:35 PM, 07/04/2012
    I was talking off the top of my head. he has been top 5 at his position the last 4 years in plus/minus not five years....
    feudal_nobility09
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:06 PM, 07/04/2012
    Yeah, I saw that too. In fact, ever since the draft, I think Semin is the only person in hockey who drew anything even close to a negative comment from any of the NHL Network commentators, who apparently feel that every trade, FA signing and draft pick by every team was a stroke of absolute genius, and that every GM of every team is indescribably brilliant.

    Seriously, the NHL Network people talked a lot about Semin being a lousy teammate on and off the ice, and how he might benefit from going to a team with really strong leadership, which the Flyers honestly don't have (if they did, someone would have made Bryz stop acting like a Jersey Shore moron while they were filming the HBO series). What the heck, he's super-talented; if it doesn't work out, you can always trade him at the deadline to a team that needs instant offense.
    1980
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:42 PM, 07/04/2012
    I would most definitely nail down Carle now. Start putting the final touches on the presentation to Shea Weber's agent next summer. Whatever Suter cost, Weber will cost even more.
    schultz08
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:46 PM, 07/04/2012
    At least Pittsburgh didn't get Parise or Suter. Now the Flyers can look at the Ryan, Nash, Carle, and Weber possibilities.
    matthew76
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:49 PM, 07/04/2012
    WHEW! $98M each! Ouch! I am so glad they didn't drop that kind of cash for either one of them, neither are worth it. Zach is a good player but not a franchise player, I would rather spend less on a Bigger forward like Bobby Ryan to replace JVR and Jagr. But lets wait until he becomes a UFA next year, same goes for Weber next year. I'd rather have Weber than Suter, bigger and better right handed shot.
    LAFlyer
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:50 PM, 07/04/2012
    They didn't go to a competitor, and Minn won't do anything. Good deal. You have cap money to spend lock up Giroux.
    Sidewinder7
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:51 PM, 07/04/2012
    No trades and no Carle to Pitt please.
    jking91
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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:52 PM, 07/04/2012
    Not really troll. If you read all the posts in all the articles, I think that most Flyers fans didn't want Parise and it was 50/50 on Suter.
    LAFlyer
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:52 PM, 07/04/2012
    Effin BEST strategic move EVER by a GM. Homer knew neither wanted to come to Philly, so he maxed out 2 offers to drive up the price...knowing full well the Penqueens wouldn't match. Now, not only is Parise NOT in Pittsburgh, but both he and Suter are in the Western Conference. Shrewd move...and worthy of Executive of the Year honors. Go Flyers!
    Harry Callahan
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:56 PM, 07/04/2012
    I couldn't agree with you more. He got Parise out of NJ and pushed the asking price too high for the Pens, so now he is out of our conference. Homer already knew Suter wanted to stay in the West so make him such a high offer that he could use to bargain with other teams. Homer is a genius!
    LAFlyer
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:53 PM, 07/04/2012
    Minnesota is now stuck with these 2 for the next decade. Wait till the realize it was the players they played with made them who they were.
    98 million for a 20 to 25 goal scorer , seriously.
    joepir
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:00 PM, 07/04/2012
    Parise is a homegrown star. It's storybook. The merchandising success alone will pay his contract. I lived there. I know what I'm talking about. The MLB Twins are second only to the NY Yankees in merchandise revenue.
    icarus
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:48 AM, 07/05/2012
    I'm giving you post of the day, great insight.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:56 PM, 07/04/2012
    What now all the star free agents in the NHL now will be going to the same team to have a super team like LeBrat did in the NBA with the Heat.
    slade1955
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:57 PM, 07/04/2012
    They should've had an announcement prime time tv special like the Miami Heat.
    burholme
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:59 PM, 07/04/2012
    Newark Star Ledger: Who's most to blame for Zach Parise leaving?
    http://www.nj.com/devils/index.ssf/2012/07/devils_hot_topic_whos_most_to.html
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:59 PM, 07/04/2012
    good job (f)liars!!! work hard, work hard!!! muck, muck, muck!!!
    lanzascat
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:00 PM, 07/04/2012
    at least we got a backup goalie that no team thought enough of to have him play in the nhl in the last two years...that is, other than us...
    lanzascat
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:01 PM, 07/04/2012
    Good news! Those contracts were crazy and would have burdened the Flyers (like the Ilya contract is)! Plan B; Carle and trade for Ryan (Hartnell and Rinaldo…maybe a 2nd rounder) and grab Semin for short 1-3 year deal
    connorjr
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:16 PM, 07/04/2012
    Semin scores a lot during the regular season, but "disappears" during the playoffs....Most think he is a kitty cat....
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:04 PM, 07/04/2012
    Carles asking price just SOARED. He is the same age as Suter, I cant see him getting less than 8 years at this point.

    Anaheim's asking price for Ryan also jumped, since he is a bargain at this point.

    Not looking good for Paul Holmgrem. He should have made either of the above deals before the market was set.
    astroqueen0
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:09 PM, 07/04/2012
    Well Ryan probably won't come to Philly because Homer won't trade Couts, Schenn or Jake which the Ducks would want at least two of them. I would trade any of them either, they all have too much potential to match or be better than Ryan at some point.
    LAFlyer
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:04 PM, 07/04/2012
    these signings would've crippled the flyers for years, this is posiive news. must make a play for shea weber, all in! he's twice the player that suter is.
    CosmoK
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:11 PM, 07/04/2012
    So, the two musketeers pick a loser to sign with so they will look good without risk. This is a gut check for Parise and Suder that tells you what kind of people they are. We did well to not win that dog race! The only negative is that their ridiculous contract sets the tone for all the other entrants in the free agent derby. Best wishes to Jaromir Jagr. He was a great addition to the Flyers but money does talk and we were not about to offer him that kind of money. I am sure that Holmgren will find a satisfactory replacement for the first line. JVR was not a major contributor last year so he won't really be missed. This is already a solid team and a couple of pieces will make them contenders again.
    gotedge
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:16 PM, 07/04/2012
    Charlie Garner, go beat your dogs...what a loser poster, maybe the worst on this board, you are delusional.
    BirdinParadise
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:16 PM, 07/04/2012
    Best case scenario for the Flyers. Well played by Holmgren to drive up the price a little. Worst case was Parise or both going to Pitt. Second worst case was both accepting the Flyers offer and we have to shed salary (most likely meaning a downgrade in depth). Wild are still pieces away from being a real contender and none of our direct threats became drastically improved. Still need to pick up another forward and a defenseman from somewhere. Despite the turnovers, Carle had the second highest point total of our defensemen and was one of only three players to play all 82 games for the team. Unless his price drastically goes up I would resign him and go from there. If not, its sort of slim pickings unless you take a shot on an unproven guy or a guy past his prime. Right now we are still pretty solid without making any major trades/pickups I think:

    Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
    Talbot - Briere - Simmonds
    Schenn - Read - Wellwood
    Rinaldo - Couturier - Zolnierczyk

    Timonen - Colburn
    Grossman - Meszaros
    Schenn - Lilja

    Bryzgalov (Leighton as backup)

    Other 3 on active roster:

    Gustafsson or Bourdon
    Sestito
    Shelly
    MadChemist13
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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:22 PM, 07/04/2012
    Clarkie just put his drink down
    attila
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:31 PM, 07/04/2012
    Go after Weber. Try for Yandle or wait for the trade deadline for D. Don't get rid of Couturier.
    Kev H
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:36 PM, 07/04/2012
    Never thought they were coming to Philly and the Flyers should have read the tea leaves better. That said, they shouldn't throw too much at Carle. He's not worth it. Have to wonder if they would've have pushed for more in the JVR trade if they knew things would work out this way.

    After the JVR trade, Jagr defection and if Carle walks, the team is weaker defensively and offensively. With the Russian cosmonaut and Leaky between the pipes they still have massive issues in net. The only good news is the Devils and Pens (with the Staal trade) are weaker going into next season as well.
    Repubrebirth
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:40 PM, 07/04/2012
    Minnesota was the perfect fit for these guys. They are local and will not get ripped apart by the media here like they would in Philly if things don't go well right away. I grew up in Philly and moved to Minnesota in the late 80's, still a Flyers fan
    ghost78
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:10 PM, 07/04/2012
    You have my sympathies, don't-cha know. For sure, ya.
    icarus
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:45 PM, 07/04/2012
    This is the best possible outcome in every way! Neither go to the Penguins, we don't have the burden of these outrageous long term deals, and we can focus on our youth. Win, Win, Win. Just glad they finally made a decision so the anxiety can settle and we can focus on making better decisions!
    Neebo
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:45 PM, 07/04/2012
    I fear that Homer is now going to pull the trigger on Ryan or Nash and give up quite a bit in return. I'd rather see a good dman come here. But looks like slim pickin's left for FA Dmen. I see Ryan Parent is FA. They were high on him a couple of years ago, bring him back? Just askin'
    BillyPhilly
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:54 PM, 07/04/2012
    They won't being Parent back. Homer will never forget how the Hawks knocked the stick out of his hand, then he just stood there and watched them score.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:13 PM, 07/04/2012
    Or how he nearly broke both of Boucher's legs in the Boston series.
    icarus
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:53 PM, 07/04/2012
    More win-win...Pittsburgh lost Sullivan and Asham as well as not getting Parise and Suter. Im as happy they are weakening as anything else.
    Neebo
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:03 PM, 07/04/2012
    I'm so happy that they didn't pay Jagr what the Stars did. Wow, did they ever overpay!
    Penfold18
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:07 PM, 07/04/2012
    Wait a minute! All the experts had Parise going to the Pens to team up with sissy Cindy! What happened to that? It couldn't be that the 'experts' don't really know their behinds from a hole in the ground, could it?! With that kind of money we didn't need them. What hurts is losing Jagr!
    erniebanks14
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:12 PM, 07/04/2012
    There are still some pretty good available free agents out there. They are just being overshadowed by those two clowns.
    Neebo
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:26 PM, 07/04/2012
    As usual Sam is clueless. Sure let's just let Carle walk and have a gaping hole on our back line. Brilliant analysis as always you buffoon. Go have another hot dog and leave the real reporting to your colleague please. I'm tired of reading asinine columns & blog entries from you.
    thomaspfoolery
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:41 PM, 07/04/2012
    Feel free to go elsewhere, tool.
    1980
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:40 PM, 07/04/2012
    I would like to have seen Parise here, but I think Suter is overrated and likely to under-perform this contract. If they weren't coming here, my next choices would have been Russia and Minnesota, which has made the playoffs 3 times in 11 years, and not at all in the last 4 years. Sign Carle (I disagree that $5.5 mil is too large a hit in this market), try to get Ryan for B. Schenn (who is not likely to ever be as good as Ryan is right now) plus whatever picks/prospects go either way, save some space for the deadline and look to sign Weber next summer. Let's face it: if Bryz plays well we're a contender. If he doesn't, we're not. You have to hope/assume that he plays well, or you might as well just start following box lacrosse or something.
    1980
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:46 PM, 07/04/2012
    Focus on getting the hometown guy Bobby Ryan. Trade Voracek, Gus and a 2nd (1st if need be), that should be enough to get a deal done. Give Carle 3 years for $5 mil per and wait for Weber next year. Also, extend Giroux now before he becomes a superstar and super-expensive.
    the sichee-ation
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:24 PM, 07/04/2012
    Whaaa? You're a little late - Giroux has been a superstar for 2 years now, and why would you extend a guy who is locked up for the next 2 seasons, after which he becomes a RESTRICTED free agent -- especially when there's a good chance of a lockout this coming season?

    Do you seriously think Anaheim would take a 2nd-line winger, an up-and-down rookie D-man and a draft pick for a perennial 30-goal-scoring elite winger? If so, can you come up with a reason why Homer didn't drive Voracek and Gus to the airport about 6 months ago?

    I have to say, this might very well be the single dumbest post I've ever read here.
    1980
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:49 PM, 07/04/2012
    Bobby Ryan, it just makes sense!!!
    DJ
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:06 PM, 07/04/2012
    DO NOT GO OVER NASH!!!
    BuckeyeFlyersFan
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:18 PM, 07/04/2012
    oops, I meant after. I have watched his lazy routine for the 8 years I have lived in Columbus. Only time he ever played 100% was in the Olympics for team Canada.
    BuckeyeFlyersFan
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:06 PM, 07/04/2012
    DO NOT GO OVER NASH!!!
    BuckeyeFlyersFan
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:14 PM, 07/04/2012
    Those two mean noting to us.The Flyers only need to think of the Flyers.
    bill the pill
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:20 PM, 07/04/2012
    It's all good. 1)The Devils are now worse. 2) The Penguins ditched Jordan Staal because they arrogantly thought they would land Parise because Crosby was his buddy. 3) Suter and Parise are not franchise players and they both got franchise money. The Wild just saved the Flyers from a huge mistake. If the Flyers need to shock the NHL, make Weber an offer he can't refuse. He IS a franchise player. The money that you are saving by losing Jagr and Carle gives the Flyers enough cap space to make an offer that Nashville couldn't match. Also, stay away from Nash or Ryan. Any asking price that includes Couturier and/or Schenn is not worth it.
    syddan26
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:33 PM, 07/04/2012
    How sure are you that Schenn will someday be a guy you can count on for 30 goals a season? Because that's how good Ryan is right now, and he's still only 25. If you're not absolutely positive that Schenn is going to give you 30-35 goals and 20-25 assists a year, year in and year out, then why would you not want to trade him for Ryan? Makes no sense to me whatsoever. I like Schenn based on the tiny sample size we've seen so far, but he and Voracek could just as easily join that long and undistinguished line of high draft picks who were picked up by the Flyers after being discorded by their original team, who turned out to be right.
    1980
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:27 PM, 07/04/2012
    it would have been nice to sign parise and suter.....but i'm glad we didn't......it was way too much money and way too years that we were offering....but i commend the flyers for trying to better our team. i'd go after ryan and another defenseman without giving away any of our young guys if it possible to do.
    balboa2151
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:27 PM, 07/04/2012
    None of it matters with Bryz between the pipes!
    JBinPA
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:35 PM, 07/04/2012
    JBinPA....can't agree more....this organization gave that guy a 9/51mil contract....as usual we are an average team between the pipes. This team should sit tight and let the team and season develop. If needed make a mid season move....but you will have a better idea of what you have.
    bbrady25
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:39 PM, 07/04/2012
    I am glad we didn't get them. That would have killed us on the Cap.
    MDefl
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:50 PM, 07/04/2012
    rick nash would be the worse transation ever...after bryzgalov...

    Who want to pay 7.800 000 for Nash? this guy is overrated...

    Keep your money for Giroux, Briere, Hartnell, Couturier, Talbot etc.
    xtrem1337
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:53 PM, 07/04/2012
    anyone know why no interest in Bryan Allen? 6'5 226........Bryan Allen agreed to a three-year contract for $10.5 million. Allen, 31, is a stay-at-home shutdown type who was credited with 101 hits and 188 blocked shots with Carolina last season
    mold1103
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:53 PM, 07/04/2012
    In other words, nobody wants to a sign with a loser headed by Ed Sn ider. Get rid of him and see what develops.
    Wilhelm Von Humboldt
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:53 PM, 07/04/2012
    If not the Flyers - and with those longterm contracts it's likely a blessing in disguise - then better to go to Minnesota. It's a hockey hotbed (high school hockey is as big as basketball) and they should have a good, representative team. Just wish it was still the "North Stars" and not the "Wild."
    FishFryFrank
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:05 PM, 07/04/2012
    I dont care that neither is with us...thank God Parise didnt go to the Pens..!!
    nixman101
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:16 PM, 07/04/2012
    I spent most of the last 2 weeks working at our office outside of Pittsburgh. The media there was absolutely convinced Parise was going to be a Penguin. Too bad for them!
    Boto
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:03 PM, 07/04/2012
    At least Parise didn't go to the Pens. We'll be fine, wait for a week or so.
    hallux
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:03 PM, 07/04/2012
    At least Parise didn't go to the Pens. We'll be fine, wait for a week or so.
    hallux
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:13 PM, 07/04/2012
    At least they are all signing in the West Easier time in the east, I Say.
    shmoo
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:04 PM, 07/04/2012
    Sign Shea Weber next year and lets see what we have this year. The Wild are going nowhere and will rue the day they made this deal.
    rockinrob
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:36 PM, 07/04/2012
    I would hate to see the Flyers trade away any good young talent. I think that maybe it's best to sit tight right now and see how things go until this coming season's trade deadline. The youngsters should all be better this year, I do think Bryz will play better this year and there is always Terry Murray waiting in the wings. He's a coach that players respond to for the first couple of years.
    TexColorado
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:04 PM, 07/04/2012
    Looks like Carle is not part of plan B. He signed with his old team the lightning, 5 years $33 mil. Tampa bay overpaid, Carle is not worth $6.6mil/year. Let's get Ryan!
    the sichee-ation
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:14 PM, 07/04/2012
    just for the record, ryan SUCKS. seriously sucks. this is perhaps the most over-rated player since chris gratton.
    tockeyhockey
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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:27 PM, 07/05/2012
    My the Flyerzzzzzzzzz can get in on Peter Forsberg's third (fourth?) comeback.


    ted_striker


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