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Wednesday, April 15, 2009
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The Eagles in the last few years, to put it in military terms, have drafted a lot of soldiers and not that many officers.

They have two first-round picks for the draft that begins April 25 and the possibility of using one of them, in combination with something else, to move up to a marquee position in the drafting order.

For the past two drafts, the Eagles have traded away their No. 1 picks, and they haven't taken anything aside from a lineman with a first-round pick since taking Lito Sheppard with the 26th pick of the 2002 draft.

Perhaps the recent drafts have not been mind-blowing, but they have been very useful. From the last three selections, the Eagles have gotten DeSean Jackson, Brodrick Bunkley, Stewart Bradley, Chris Gocong, Quintin Demps, Max Jean-Gilles, Jason Avant, Brent Celek, Victor Abiamiri, Trevor Laws, Omar Gaither and some untested wild cards in Jack Ikegwuonu, King Dunlap and Kevin Kolb.

Not a lot of stars there, but contributing players, and potentially a bunch of starters on next season's team.

If the Eagles' roster, as some would theorize, becomes a reflection of Andy Reid's personality -- solid, hard-working, not particularly exciting -- that starts in the draft room and in the ranking of players.

Listening closely to general manager Tom Heckert this week, as he talked about drafting philosophy, it was interesting to hear his view on why certain drafted players have underperformed. The Eagles don't come away from a bust thinking, "What did we do wrong?" or "What were we thinking?" They wonder why the guy, in general, wasn't as solid or hard-working as they would have liked.

"I don't think we've said, 'What were we thinking?' I don't remember that," Heckert said. "It would be more of a look back and say, 'We knew this about the guy, but kind of overlooked it.' If it happened again, would we do the same thing, obviously the answer is no. The guys we've missed on...it hasn't been a talent thing, but some extenuating circumstances where we couldn't get the talent out of them."

And: "You get guys that love to play. The toughest thing for anybody in the draft room is with guys who have great numbers and are good players, but might not (work as hard). That's where you have to be careful. That's when you look back and say that maybe you should have taken a guy who might not have been as great a football player, but the other stuff is going to make him a better football player overall. Looking at whatever position, there are guys with numbers so much better, but there's something that if you have another guy who is a great classroom guy and a great worker and is tough, it's better off to stay with that and pass on the other guys."

Here's another analogy. If the Eagles are deciding between a sports car that might have an undependable engine and a pickup truck that won't win any races but will keep running, they'll take the truck.

It's a fine way to build a good classroom team and get a bunch of guys who work hard in the weight room and right up until the last whistle of practice, but is it the way to win a championship? We won't know that answer for a long time, so your speculation on that will have to suffice.

The same goes for your speculation on players who fit the description of what Heckert is talking about. It's fair to guess that Winston Justice (No. 39 overall) and Jerome McDougle (No. 15 overall) have been recent picks for whom the talent factor was not a problem. If it was, and the team spent those high picks on them, then the Eagles can't judge talent. The organization doesn't feel that is the case.

Judging the inside of the player is the difficult part, and the Eagles, feeling themselves burned in the past, are pledged to be more careful now. Is that a good thing? Perhaps. It is a reflection of the boss, though. That much is for sure. 

Posted by BOB FORD @ 11:42 AM  Permalink | 47 comments
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Posted 08:51 PM, 04/16/2009
NeilHarry1
the eagles draft nice guys...no guy they perciever to be outspoken. The eagles like quiet guys, but guess what? look at the steelers and patriots over the years. they have flamboyant guys...outspoken..wild. If andy reid and the clown personnel guys were in charge when brian dawkins were coming out, Brian dawkins wouldve never been an Eagle. As long as andy reid is coach and gm the eagles dont win superbowl.
Posted 08:51 PM, 04/16/2009
NeilHarry1
the eagles draft nice guys...no guy they perciever to be outspoken. The eagles like quiet guys, but guess what? look at the steelers and patriots over the years. they have flamboyant guys...outspoken..wild. If andy reid and the clown personnel guys were in charge when brian dawkins were coming out, Brian dawkins wouldve never been an Eagle. As long as andy reid is coach and gm the eagles dont win superbowl.
Posted 06:42 PM, 04/16/2009
bleedgreen
the sports car vs. pick up truck is a bad analogy. but if you're gonna make that comparison I'll take the truck every time. Sports cars are lousy in bad weather, cold weather, rainy weather, icy weather.
Posted 08:22 AM, 04/16/2009
TimeforChange
1-4 in NFC Championship games 0-1 in Superbowl Rarely win the big game or the one they are supposed to dominate. Drafts are overrated, trading for talented proven players, or cutting bait with guys that shouldnt be starters is more important. Jim G and any others, please reply to these talent observations: Akeem Jordan or Gaither as a starting linebacker? Dhani Jones a starter, Levon Kirkland, Mark Simoneau, Chris GoCong, Thomas Tapeh, Klecko, Hunt, Considine, Glew, Baskett, Pinkston, Thrash, LJ Smith, Schobel, moats, McCoy, Na Brown... you can go forever with this below average talent.... Star Power is hard to find. The Colts have given Peyton 7 first round selections on offense. Running into the Patriots dynasty hasnt prevented more than one championship, so getting the title isnt easy . With that said, I cant blame the Eagles fully for lacking star power. But filling out the rest of the lineup with garbage that when they are done here, dont contribute anywhere else or leave the NFL is shameful. If the Eagles were in the AFC, do you really think 1-4 in the Conference championship would even be possible. I think they would be 9-7 every year and Reid woulda been gone by now.
Posted 01:58 AM, 04/16/2009
p-diddy
Philly10: A good offensive line "doesn't get you over the hump"? Yeah, and you don't win Super Bowls (or even make the playoffs) with a bad o-line and stellar skill players. Just ask Barry Sanders.
Posted 09:44 PM, 04/15/2009
JACK V
vinni, new england has brady. brady wins championships, not his coach or g.m. or owner. not his linebackers or free safety and certinly not his offensive line. brady is the difference that seperates new england from the others, including the steelers. watch this year again.
Posted 09:43 PM, 04/15/2009
billgfc
you critics could be Dallas fans. When did they last win a playoff game? How many years did they have a hall of fame coach? Or redskins fans and they had a hallof fame coach for awhile and could not get past the eagles either
Posted 08:56 PM, 04/15/2009
osi is hurt boohoo
yeah me too Phigglesfan75 lol
Posted 07:42 PM, 04/15/2009
p-diddy
I'd like to see the Eagles draft a sure thing....like RICKY WILLIAMS!
Posted 07:38 PM, 04/15/2009
p-diddy
Hey Ford, let's not forget Reid drafted McNabb and Westbrook. You're not going to get a gamebreaker every year, or even every other year. I'll take a few more "soldiers" like Stewart Bradley, who's an excellent player. I know there's a lot of people who think Reid has blown in the draft over the years, but not me. Don't be suprised to see Bunkley in the Pro Bowl one of these years.
Posted 07:00 PM, 04/15/2009
crustymcd
The proof is in the pudding. The Iggs draft well, coach well, and play well. They'll do the right thing again this draft.
Posted 06:35 PM, 04/15/2009
ILUVPHILLYCITYOFLOSERS
One more thing....since 1970........phillies two rings....flyers two rings....sixers one ring.....eagles no rings.......Having said that the birds are and will always be first in my heart.....It is just really annoying that they keep talking about how good they are....makes us look like jacka''es I think....As the old tale says "Don't talk about it..be about it." .......they are businessmen first....period....and they have been very succesful from that perspective.... in fact considering he paid 180 mil and its worth about a bil its hard to blame them FOR TALKING......BUT TO THEM RINGS COME SECOND.....NO DISPUTING THAT...............ILUVPHILLYCITYOFCHAMPIONS!!!!!!!!!
Posted 06:26 PM, 04/15/2009
ILUVPHILLYCITYOFLOSERS
Daam...this front office talks too much...especially praising themselves andsinging theirown praises.......they are awful p/r......just showme the trophy baby.....I already sentmy $$$ in for the 11th year in a row.....ILUVPHILLYCITYOFCHAMPIONS!!!!!!!
Posted 06:17 PM, 04/15/2009
ItalianSausage
Nico Lange, you have the gift...the essence of wit is brevity.
Posted 05:59 PM, 04/15/2009
gordy
1st of all, if everybody hasn't picked up on it yet, JimG is an alias for Dave Spadaro. If everyone is happy with a team that has been a few games over .500 since the superbowl then endorse everything he just said. I for one cannot. I see no difference in the trophy case between us and the Detroit Lions. This is a very stubborn administration that is hubris and smug. They over value their players and under value others and make insulting offers in trade talks. They tell you that every move they make is “a steal” or is the thing that is going to get them over the top. Bottom line is they have NEVER been right (or else they would have won the superbowl by now) Yet they act like they have won it every year. As for Spuds comments about facts and statistics here’s one; We led the league in drops last year how have we addressed that? Here’s another; if it weren’t for a complete meltdown by the tampa bucs, we would have missed the playoffs for the third time in 4 years, even with that we are only 3 games above .500 for the past 4 years. Not hyperbole FACT! Oh nice interview with Heckert I am so happy to hear that have had a chance to review Lorenzo Bookers college tape so they can be wrong on him again
Posted 05:55 PM, 04/15/2009
FireAndyReid
"is it the way to win a championship? We won't know that answer for a long time" -- ZERO championships in TEN years... how long do you have to wait until you know the answer. i'll give you a hint, you already know the answer. i pray Jeffrey Lurie does not keep these clowns around another ten years just to keep proving themselves wrong.
Posted 05:55 PM, 04/15/2009
Anna Wrafter
I hope they shape up this year!
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Posted 05:32 PM, 04/15/2009
Philbert
JimG, Very intelligent post. But will the village idiots actually understand it? I refer specifically to sewell guy !!!
Posted 05:28 PM, 04/15/2009
Bobphxville
I don't find the Eagles boring on draft day - they are usually just the opposite. They rarely stand pat - either moving up or down to select a played that they want. The thing that I find frustrating is when they select a player that almost everyone agrees would have been available a round or two later. Although they are happy they got their guy - they don't always get value for where they are picking. Sometimes you have to take a risk that the guy they want will be available later...
Posted 05:21 PM, 04/15/2009
allrightknight
When I think of the Eagles draft mentality the word 'pilfer' comes to mind. That's what their mentality has become, trying to look for a bargain at every turn and angle that's not a confident organization. Just step up and say we are going to go after the guys we want and are going to win for us in our mind and just shut up with all the double talk.
Posted 05:06 PM, 04/15/2009
fred13
JimG, good post. philly10, what are you talking about? Bob Ford, how can you write this stuff. Any fan or so called writer who thinks the Eagles FO doesn't want to win, doesn't understand football.
Posted 05:04 PM, 04/15/2009
Viewkeeper
Yo Vinni! Ever hear of TO, Kearse, Runyon and Assante?
Posted 04:48 PM, 04/15/2009
philly10
THE EAGLES GOT LUCKY ON DESEAN JACKSON....PERIOD. THEY WERE PERFECTLY CONTENT IF ANOTHER TEAM SELECTED HIM, THAT'S WHY THEY FAILED TO PICK JACKSON UNTIL THEIR THIRD CHOICE..DUH. WITHOUT JACKSON LAST YEAR THE EAGLES WOULD HAVE MISSED THE PLAYOFFS AGAIN FOR THE SECOND YEAR IN A ROW. THEY LUCKED INTO THE PLAYOFFS BECAUSE OF UPSETS ON THE LAST DAY. SOME OF YOU IDIOTS DON'T EVEN REALIZE WHAT REALLY HAPPENED... YOU IDIOTS BETTER LEARN FOOTBALL BEFORE YOU RUN YOUR MOUTH OFF HERE. .
Posted 04:01 PM, 04/15/2009
Nico Lange
Why limit their borishness to just draft day?
Posted 04:00 PM, 04/15/2009
Tom Crymes
Bob, I think your analogy goes a little too far. If the Eagles drafted mostly pickup trucks, they wouldn't have gotten to the top of the conference as often as they have. Superstars can come out of any round. I think there is a suspicion that a lot of talent in the first round can be a lot of flash with no underlying work ethic and that a 2nd or 3rd rounder with a great work ethic is often better than a top 10er who expects the world to be handed to him. The top athletes with a determined work ethic are an exceedingly rare breed.
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Posted 03:33 PM, 04/15/2009
psuwelsh
Picking O and D line players is fine....as long as you trade and sign playmakers!! Duh.
Posted 03:15 PM, 04/15/2009
Warhound
JimG Gotta agree. The waited, still got the WR they wanted and have a ton of options this year.
Posted 03:02 PM, 04/15/2009
dragoon6
About Jackson - I'm sure if last year's draft were to be held again, he'd be a top 20 pick. Maybe higher. That was a great pick by the Eagles. If we slam them for Moats and Hunt, let's be fair and give them credit where it's due. Wes - tell Dorthy I'm sorry I never called her. Hope she enjoyed the flounder.
Posted 02:55 PM, 04/15/2009
nuggett
you said it....they will take the truck.....their goal is not winning a championship....it is to be slighly above aberage "if" the price is right....10 years....no trophy....that is the only grade that matters....whether you are a hater or a stepford......10 years with no championship.......it is right there....for both to see..... 7 other different teams have won in the past 10 years but we have not....Is that an indictment of the organization....or the complacencey of the fans......if average is your goal....yeah us....if the goal is the Lombardy Trophy.....then we all know that answer...
Posted 02:30 PM, 04/15/2009
Dierte
philly10 - what are you talking about, you are the most idiodic person I know on here next to lonewolf. Im guessing the Patriots weren't "lucky" with Tom Brady? They actually knew that he was going to be there at pick 199 for them. You act like you know more about the players than the professionals who actually run the team do...By the way Percy Harvin is horrible!!!
Posted 02:28 PM, 04/15/2009
phigglesfan75
JimG, I was going to give a very similiar response until I read yours. Very well written...
Posted 02:27 PM, 04/15/2009
DR Heller
I'm sorry, but don't you win games in the Treaches?? The Offensive line and Defensive line? And do we have a stud full of Pro bowlers on the roster??? We need a O-LINEMAN with one of the picks. And a Running back. After that ,another Olineman and a wide out. Then fill the blanks. But use all the picks.
Posted 02:21 PM, 04/15/2009
vinni
yeah but new england has the same philosophy (good guys who aren't always spectular). i guess the difference is they take chances (moss, dillon) every once in a while for studs and oh, have belicheck
Posted 02:07 PM, 04/15/2009
JimG
Sewell, that's not what Heckert said...your other words are not his words. He said that sometimes they've taken a chance on a guy who had red flags...especially red flags about work ethic...thinking that they could coax him into becoming a hard-worker and it didn't pan out. Winston Justice comes to mind. The guy was a potential mid-1st round pick and slipped to the middle of the 2nd round because of maturity and work ethic questions. The Eagles wouldn't have taken him in the 1st round but were willing to take a chance on him in the mid-2nd round. It hasn't worked out and probably won't but that's the chance they took. So all Heckert is saying that he doesn't think their assessment of Justice was off-base...he thinks their assessment was right on but they overlooked the poor work ethic issue hoping he would grow out of it and it didn't work out that way. Philly10, you must like to read your posts or something because you're not swaying anyone's opinion with the nonsense you post. The Eagles kept trading down because they knew they could get a WR with a later pick and pick up some extra draft picks along the way. The first WR wasn't taken until the 33rd pick last year. There weren't any 1st round WRs. So the Eagles knew they could trade down and get a WR. Everyone knew how good Jackson was...that's ridiculous to suggest otherwise...there were concerns with Jackson about his attitude and his size...that's why a lot of people passed. Just like the Eagles overlooked things with Justice, they did the same with Jackson and took a chance on him and that one worked out. There were 6 other teams who took WRs in the 2nd round and passed on Jackson so at least the Eagles had the guts to take a chance on him. Ever notice how the usual loud, negative posters never have any actual facts to back up what they say...it's just hyperbole and random nonsense they pull out of thin air. They probably can't find anyone in real life to listen to them complain all day so they come here.
Posted 01:53 PM, 04/15/2009
phillyboymike7
the word on sean jackson-is out and now teams will key on him unless we have a pro bowl tightend or wide receiver to help him out--We need talent we have lost to much--every championshp team as role players and a couple of superstars -But we don;t have many stars and please dont say westbrook--he is not the same--the main draft failures issue;s are because AR is the GM And he is a Ex-lineman and that's all he knows.
Posted 01:43 PM, 04/15/2009
philly10
THE EAGLES JUST GOT LUCKY ON DESEAN JACKSON...JACKSON WAS PROJECTED AS A TOP FIRST ROUND PICK, BUT WHEN IT WAS THE EAGLES TURN TO PICK AND JACKSONS WAS AVAILABLE, THE EAGLES TRADED THEIR PICK INSTEAD.... THEN ON THE EAGLES NEXT PICK, JACKSON WAS STILL AVAILABLE, BUT AGAIN THE EAGLES DID NOT SELECT JACKSON, AND INSTEAD SELECTED THE LINEMAN LAWS...THEN FINALLY ON THE EAGLE THIRD SELECTION, JACKSON WAS UNBELEIVABLY STILL AVAILABLE, AND THE EAGLES RELUCTANTLY FINALLY SELECTED HIM...THE EAGLES HAD NO CLUE HOW GOOD JACKSON WAS, THEY JUST GOT LUCKY.
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Posted 01:09 PM, 04/15/2009
sewell guy
So in other words it's always the players fault and not the eagles because they are never wrong according to Heckert.That is an amazing series of statements.And you said Bob,"we won't know that answer for a long time",well 10 years is a long time and the answer is clear zero,I REPEAT,zero SBowl wins and none in the forseeable future.This team will be 6/10 or 7/9 this year and getting worse.McPuke and AR must go before this team EVER,EVER wins a SBowl.Meanwhile Jeffy laughs all the to the bank.Your as blind as most of the kool aid drinkers on this site are.Wake up MORONS they can't and won't win it all with this regime.
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Posted 12:42 PM, 04/15/2009
Dierte
the Eagles have drafted about 10 or so Pro Bowlers in Reid's tenure, and that is not including what Bradley, Jackson, etc. can turn out to be. No one hits on every single draft pick. And I am sure the people that are complaining are the ones who booed when we took McNabb over "High Times" Man of the Millenium Sticky Icky Williams....FMAN is right, there is a reason they are in charge of an NFL Franchise and we are simply responding to articles online.
Posted 12:41 PM, 04/15/2009
peteike
you may want to look at how many busts are on all the other nfl teams before bashing the birds. Lets hope they do well this yr with all those picks. Its more painful to move up and trade away picks and get a bust then a bust in later rounds ala mccoy, mcmullen and hunt. McDougle was a big loss but D linemen are always a shot in the dark, just ask the broncos. Where are all the bashing the writer posts.
Posted 12:35 PM, 04/15/2009
philly10
THAT'S WHY THE EAGLES ALWAYS PICK LINEMAN WITH THEIR TOP PICKS, INSTEAD OF RECEIVERS AND RUNNING BACKS...LINEMAN ARE SAFE PICKS, BUT DON'T GET THEM OVER THE HUMP TO BECOME SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS.
Posted 12:30 PM, 04/15/2009
philly10
THIS ARTICLE IS RIGHT....THE EAGLES WOULD RATHER HAVE A MEDIOCRE SURE PICK...THEN TAKE A CHANCE ON A HOME RUN PICK THAT WILL BE SPECTACULAR. THAT'S WHY THE EAGLES ARE ALWAYS SLIGHTLY ABOVE AVERAGE...BUT NEVER WIN THE SUPER BOWL.
Posted 12:17 PM, 04/15/2009
fman727
Gulls you know nothing!!!... If we did it the fans way, we would be the lions 0-16, they took every guy we wanted to trade up for.. Where is mike williams? charles rodgers? Nobody wins every year, the colts have 1 more ring then us, just 1. We are just as good as anyone in the nfl. We arent "weak" anywhere, could be better on the OL thats all. Learn football and stop watching Merrill Hodge
Posted 11:45 AM, 04/15/2009
gulls3012
how about mcmullen, mccoy, and hunt to go along with justice and mcdougle. I'd say that the eagles brass knows talent just about as much as any average joe. Thats the bottom line no matter what that crook Heckertt says.
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