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Wednesday, April 15, 2009
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The Eagles in the last few years, to put it in military terms, have drafted a lot of soldiers and not that many officers.

They have two first-round picks for the draft that begins April 25 and the possibility of using one of them, in combination with something else, to move up to a marquee position in the drafting order.

For the past two drafts, the Eagles have traded away their No. 1 picks, and they haven't taken anything aside from a lineman with a first-round pick since taking Lito Sheppard with the 26th pick of the 2002 draft.

Perhaps the recent drafts have not been mind-blowing, but they have been very useful. From the last three selections, the Eagles have gotten DeSean Jackson, Brodrick Bunkley, Stewart Bradley, Chris Gocong, Quintin Demps, Max Jean-Gilles, Jason Avant, Brent Celek, Victor Abiamiri, Trevor Laws, Omar Gaither and some untested wild cards in Jack Ikegwuonu, King Dunlap and Kevin Kolb.

Not a lot of stars there, but contributing players, and potentially a bunch of starters on next season's team.

If the Eagles' roster, as some would theorize, becomes a reflection of Andy Reid's personality -- solid, hard-working, not particularly exciting -- that starts in the draft room and in the ranking of players.

Listening closely to general manager Tom Heckert this week, as he talked about drafting philosophy, it was interesting to hear his view on why certain drafted players have underperformed. The Eagles don't come away from a bust thinking, "What did we do wrong?" or "What were we thinking?" They wonder why the guy, in general, wasn't as solid or hard-working as they would have liked.

"I don't think we've said, 'What were we thinking?' I don't remember that," Heckert said. "It would be more of a look back and say, 'We knew this about the guy, but kind of overlooked it.' If it happened again, would we do the same thing, obviously the answer is no. The guys we've missed on...it hasn't been a talent thing, but some extenuating circumstances where we couldn't get the talent out of them."

And: "You get guys that love to play. The toughest thing for anybody in the draft room is with guys who have great numbers and are good players, but might not (work as hard). That's where you have to be careful. That's when you look back and say that maybe you should have taken a guy who might not have been as great a football player, but the other stuff is going to make him a better football player overall. Looking at whatever position, there are guys with numbers so much better, but there's something that if you have another guy who is a great classroom guy and a great worker and is tough, it's better off to stay with that and pass on the other guys."

Here's another analogy. If the Eagles are deciding between a sports car that might have an undependable engine and a pickup truck that won't win any races but will keep running, they'll take the truck.

It's a fine way to build a good classroom team and get a bunch of guys who work hard in the weight room and right up until the last whistle of practice, but is it the way to win a championship? We won't know that answer for a long time, so your speculation on that will have to suffice.

The same goes for your speculation on players who fit the description of what Heckert is talking about. It's fair to guess that Winston Justice (No. 39 overall) and Jerome McDougle (No. 15 overall) have been recent picks for whom the talent factor was not a problem. If it was, and the team spent those high picks on them, then the Eagles can't judge talent. The organization doesn't feel that is the case.

Judging the inside of the player is the difficult part, and the Eagles, feeling themselves burned in the past, are pledged to be more careful now. Is that a good thing? Perhaps. It is a reflection of the boss, though. That much is for sure. 

Posted by BOB FORD @ 11:42 AM  Permalink | 47 comments
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Posted 11:45 AM, 04/15/2009
gulls3012
how about mcmullen, mccoy, and hunt to go along with justice and mcdougle. I'd say that the eagles brass knows talent just about as much as any average joe. Thats the bottom line no matter what that crook Heckertt says.
Posted 12:17 PM, 04/15/2009
fman727
Gulls you know nothing!!!... If we did it the fans way, we would be the lions 0-16, they took every guy we wanted to trade up for.. Where is mike williams? charles rodgers? Nobody wins every year, the colts have 1 more ring then us, just 1. We are just as good as anyone in the nfl. We arent "weak" anywhere, could be better on the OL thats all. Learn football and stop watching Merrill Hodge
Posted 12:30 PM, 04/15/2009
philly10
THIS ARTICLE IS RIGHT....THE EAGLES WOULD RATHER HAVE A MEDIOCRE SURE PICK...THEN TAKE A CHANCE ON A HOME RUN PICK THAT WILL BE SPECTACULAR. THAT'S WHY THE EAGLES ARE ALWAYS SLIGHTLY ABOVE AVERAGE...BUT NEVER WIN THE SUPER BOWL.
Posted 12:35 PM, 04/15/2009
philly10
THAT'S WHY THE EAGLES ALWAYS PICK LINEMAN WITH THEIR TOP PICKS, INSTEAD OF RECEIVERS AND RUNNING BACKS...LINEMAN ARE SAFE PICKS, BUT DON'T GET THEM OVER THE HUMP TO BECOME SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS.
Posted 12:41 PM, 04/15/2009
peteike
you may want to look at how many busts are on all the other nfl teams before bashing the birds. Lets hope they do well this yr with all those picks. Its more painful to move up and trade away picks and get a bust then a bust in later rounds ala mccoy, mcmullen and hunt. McDougle was a big loss but D linemen are always a shot in the dark, just ask the broncos. Where are all the bashing the writer posts.
Posted 12:42 PM, 04/15/2009
Dierte
the Eagles have drafted about 10 or so Pro Bowlers in Reid's tenure, and that is not including what Bradley, Jackson, etc. can turn out to be. No one hits on every single draft pick. And I am sure the people that are complaining are the ones who booed when we took McNabb over "High Times" Man of the Millenium Sticky Icky Williams....FMAN is right, there is a reason they are in charge of an NFL Franchise and we are simply responding to articles online.
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Posted 01:09 PM, 04/15/2009
sewell guy
So in other words it's always the players fault and not the eagles because they are never wrong according to Heckert.That is an amazing series of statements.And you said Bob,"we won't know that answer for a long time",well 10 years is a long time and the answer is clear zero,I REPEAT,zero SBowl wins and none in the forseeable future.This team will be 6/10 or 7/9 this year and getting worse.McPuke and AR must go before this team EVER,EVER wins a SBowl.Meanwhile Jeffy laughs all the to the bank.Your as blind as most of the kool aid drinkers on this site are.Wake up MORONS they can't and won't win it all with this regime.
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Posted 01:43 PM, 04/15/2009
philly10
THE EAGLES JUST GOT LUCKY ON DESEAN JACKSON...JACKSON WAS PROJECTED AS A TOP FIRST ROUND PICK, BUT WHEN IT WAS THE EAGLES TURN TO PICK AND JACKSONS WAS AVAILABLE, THE EAGLES TRADED THEIR PICK INSTEAD.... THEN ON THE EAGLES NEXT PICK, JACKSON WAS STILL AVAILABLE, BUT AGAIN THE EAGLES DID NOT SELECT JACKSON, AND INSTEAD SELECTED THE LINEMAN LAWS...THEN FINALLY ON THE EAGLE THIRD SELECTION, JACKSON WAS UNBELEIVABLY STILL AVAILABLE, AND THE EAGLES RELUCTANTLY FINALLY SELECTED HIM...THE EAGLES HAD NO CLUE HOW GOOD JACKSON WAS, THEY JUST GOT LUCKY.
Posted 01:53 PM, 04/15/2009
phillyboymike7
the word on sean jackson-is out and now teams will key on him unless we have a pro bowl tightend or wide receiver to help him out--We need talent we have lost to much--every championshp team as role players and a couple of superstars -But we don;t have many stars and please dont say westbrook--he is not the same--the main draft failures issue;s are because AR is the GM And he is a Ex-lineman and that's all he knows.
Posted 02:07 PM, 04/15/2009
JimG
Sewell, that's not what Heckert said...your other words are not his words. He said that sometimes they've taken a chance on a guy who had red flags...especially red flags about work ethic...thinking that they could coax him into becoming a hard-worker and it didn't pan out. Winston Justice comes to mind. The guy was a potential mid-1st round pick and slipped to the middle of the 2nd round because of maturity and work ethic questions. The Eagles wouldn't have taken him in the 1st round but were willing to take a chance on him in the mid-2nd round. It hasn't worked out and probably won't but that's the chance they took. So all Heckert is saying that he doesn't think their assessment of Justice was off-base...he thinks their assessment was right on but they overlooked the poor work ethic issue hoping he would grow out of it and it didn't work out that way. Philly10, you must like to read your posts or something because you're not swaying anyone's opinion with the nonsense you post. The Eagles kept trading down because they knew they could get a WR with a later pick and pick up some extra draft picks along the way. The first WR wasn't taken until the 33rd pick last year. There weren't any 1st round WRs. So the Eagles knew they could trade down and get a WR. Everyone knew how good Jackson was...that's ridiculous to suggest otherwise...there were concerns with Jackson about his attitude and his size...that's why a lot of people passed. Just like the Eagles overlooked things with Justice, they did the same with Jackson and took a chance on him and that one worked out. There were 6 other teams who took WRs in the 2nd round and passed on Jackson so at least the Eagles had the guts to take a chance on him. Ever notice how the usual loud, negative posters never have any actual facts to back up what they say...it's just hyperbole and random nonsense they pull out of thin air. They probably can't find anyone in real life to listen to them complain all day so they come here.
Posted 02:21 PM, 04/15/2009
vinni
yeah but new england has the same philosophy (good guys who aren't always spectular). i guess the difference is they take chances (moss, dillon) every once in a while for studs and oh, have belicheck
Posted 02:27 PM, 04/15/2009
DR Heller
I'm sorry, but don't you win games in the Treaches?? The Offensive line and Defensive line? And do we have a stud full of Pro bowlers on the roster??? We need a O-LINEMAN with one of the picks. And a Running back. After that ,another Olineman and a wide out. Then fill the blanks. But use all the picks.
Posted 02:28 PM, 04/15/2009
phigglesfan75
JimG, I was going to give a very similiar response until I read yours. Very well written...
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