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Philly overrated as a sports town?

An Eagles fan shows how he feels about his team during the Eagles game against the Panthers. (Ron Cortes/Staff Photographer)
An Eagles fan shows how he feels about his team during the Eagles game against the Panthers. (Ron Cortes/Staff Photographer)
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  • It's a common belief in Philadelphia that local fans are the most passionate in the country.
  • Philadelphia does rank high in big-league interest, but it's not even No. 1 in Pennsylvania.
  • Phillies fans stand out much more in their sport than Eagles fans do in football.
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    It's a common belief in Philadelphia that local fans are the most passionate in the country, especially because of crazed Eagles fans.

    Findings from a major national survey paint a somewhat different picture.

    Philadelphia does rank high in big-league interest, but it's not even No. 1 in Pennsylvania, according to Scarborough Research.

    And Phillies fans stand out much more in their sport than Eagles fans do in football, suggesting that the baseball team may be the difference maker in comparisons with other cities.

    Over the next week, we'll roll out some of the surprising findings, but first let's focus on how Philly fans stack up nationally.

    About 210,000 people across the country, after being phoned by Scarborough, agreed to fill out detailed questionnaires about all sorts of consumer interests and habits. The results became available in February, though the process lasted from August 2011 to September 2012.

    One question asked people if they were "very," "somewhat" or "not at all" interested in one or more of the four biggest sports leagues - the NFL, Major League Baseball, the National Hockey League, or the National Basketball Association.

    Here are the Top 10 markets - "designated media areas" - ranked by percentage of fans who said they were "very interested":

    1. Green Bay, Wisc., 57 percent.

    2. Milwaukee, Wisc., 56.

    3. Pittsburgh, Pa., 53.

    4. New Orleans, La., 53.

    5. Baltimore, Md., 48.

    6. Boston, Mass., 47.

    7. Colorado Springs/Pueblo, Colo., 46.

    8. Providence, R.I./New Bedford, Mass., 46.

    9. St. Louis, Mo., 46.

    10. Philadelphia, Pa., 45 percent.

    The national average: 38 percent.

    Odd list, isn't it? No New York or Chicago, but Colorado Springs? Only two cities with all four sports make the cut, while a town with just one team (Green Bay) leads the way.

    Apparently, in small cities where there's less to do, sports can become disproportionately popular, especially if there's a franchise or two nearby that's recently won a championship, explained Bill Nielsen, head of Scarborough's sports marketing division.

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    Who has more fans, the Eagles or the Phillies?
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    Eagles, by far.
    Eagles, by 5 to 15 percent.
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    Flyers have the most fans in Philly.
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    That's why he found Philadelphia's ranking "pretty impressive," given that it's the biggest market on the list and second only to Boston among the nation's four-sports cities.

    Do the same list by media market size, and Philadelphia finishes far ahead of some other major areas. (Number in parentheses is the rank by four-sport interest.)

    1. New York, 36 percent (No. 43).

    2. Los Angeles, 33 percent (55).

    3. Chicago, 42 percent (16).

    4. Philadelphia, 45 percent (10).

    5. Dallas-Fort Worth, 42 percent (14).

    6. San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, 36 percent (42).

    7. Boston, 47 percent (6).

    8. Washington, D.C., 39 percent (29).

    9. Atlanta, 37 percent (33).

    10. Houston, 32 percent (58).

    Note that only Dallas and Chicago join Philly and Boston in the Top 20, while San Francisco, New York, Los Angeles and Houston can't crack the Top 40 - and yet Albany/Schenectady, Grand Rapids, Toledo, Rochester, Albuquerque and Harrisburg/Lancaster/Lebanon (37 percent) all do.

    In Philadelphia, female fans show more team spirit than both genders do in L.A. or Houston. About 34 percent of Philly-area women say they're "very interested" in at least one major sport, just a bit behind Boston's 37 percent, Nielsen said.

    Nationally, 27 percent of women expressed being "very interested" in the four leagues.

    In absolute numbers overall, though, New York is king, said Nielsen (no relation to the TV ratings folks). In the NFL, for example, the New York Giants have the third lowest market peneration, percentage-wise, but are No. 1 in the league in terms of total fans, with about 7.7 million, he said.

    Neilsen acknowledges that there are other, perhaps better, ways to measure fanaticism, like TV ratings, and ticket and merchandise sales.

    "This has nothing to do with people who attend games," he said.

    Also, the meaning of "very interested" could vary from market to market (as well as fan to fan).

    Compared to the zealots who call Philly sports-talk radio, a Philadelphia fan who attends five games a year might think that's no big deal. His counterpart in West Palm Beach, though, might consider that a major commitment.

    That could mean that smaller towns tend to overrate their enthusiasm.

    Next report: Most fans: Eagles or Phillies?


    Contact staff writer Peter Mucha at 215-854-4342 or pmucha@phillynews.com.

     

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    Comments  (94)
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:03 PM, 04/04/2013
      What a mindless survey and waste of human intelligence!! The country's largest cities have vastly different demographics than smaller, more parochial markets, Green Bay being a perfect example. Huge immigrant populations that did not grow up with the prominent US team sports is another factor. Also, large cities tend to have larger portions of citizens who were not born and raised there, hence allegiance to local sports teams tending to be lower.
      Basquete Rey
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:08 PM, 04/04/2013
      Well this report does reflect something that I only would've assumed from personal experience, namely that the women here care more about sports than women in other towns. I like that. And to be fair, I've found that the women in PGH are actually similar in terms of high interest and commitment. This is why I would recommend dating a PSU alumna, if you are a sports fanatic. I dated one for two years and had a very good time.
      puttinonthefoil
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:11 PM, 04/04/2013
      1 championship in 30 years, frankly Philly fans should spend less time dealing with sports with a ROI like that.
      zonaindie2
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:12 PM, 04/04/2013
      Shows how the media can spin anything anyway they want.
      sjfella
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:20 PM, 04/04/2013
      Philly is completely overrated as a sports town. philly has a bunch of football types who think banging your head against something is the answer for everything. philly fans couldn't appreciate good baseball if you paid them. they are the type of fans that start doing the wave at a critical part of the game. only interested in themselves and then curse at the players when their own acting out has driven players to distraction.
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:14 PM, 04/04/2013
      Perhaps the only place in the world NOT over-rated as a sports town is Green Bay. The city has one team, but that one team is supported to the max.
      As a contrast from Green Bay--admittedly the very tiniest of cities--the rest, as Philadelphia, Boston, Chicago, LosAngeles, SanFrancisco/Oakland Bay Area, et cetera, etc., &c. are pikers and hangers-on! The inclusion of ColoradoSprings/Pueblo is absolute insanity!
      BEMiller
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:21 PM, 04/04/2013
      Philly.com should be ashamed of this article. Not only is the content completely bogus, but the writing itself is absolute rubbish.
      broadstbullies419
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:26 PM, 04/04/2013
      @Northcountry: Sorry I can't respond directly to your comment concerning my comment, but this pitiful website is selective when it comes to being able to "respond" using their "respond" link. At any rate, being a retired service member I, too, have lived all over the country, North, South, East, and West. I've attended baseball games in numerous other cities. My experience is that the fan base in Philadelphia is light years ahead in fan support, arriving early and staying late, and far superior to fans from other cities in regards to baseball knowledge. Not sure on what YOU are basing your knowledge, but I've witnessed it first hand. We will have to agree to disagree in our assessment of the Philadelphia fan base.
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:33 PM, 04/04/2013
      Philly sports teams are always close, but no cigar.
      donjuango
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:36 PM, 04/04/2013
      We already knew Pittsburgh is the best sports city in PA. Nothing new here.
      Sidney Crosby
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:40 PM, 04/04/2013
      i guess if you count the 60thousand stupid white guys at the linc watching the eagle thugs,that would qualify for at leased 10th place.
      seanmike
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:41 PM, 04/04/2013
      Not as overrated as it's teams.
      CiceroSpuriousDeodatusTheSecond
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:42 PM, 04/04/2013
      Only PHL and BOS are 4 for 4 cities in the Top 10. (And why is it called Pueblo, CO and not Denver on this list?) If the list said, "Fans of sports teams you are most scared of?" Philly would have won hands down. I have lived in New Orleans (they didn't quite get why I was so upset over Flyers/Devils in 2001) and DC (walk into a DC sports bar with Eagles gear and see how the seas part) and we will win hands down. Plus, if you look at the population of the top 10 cities, of course not all in the population of Philly are sports fans, but the I do agree that 57% of Green Bay are into the Packers because of limited options and population...
      kwasi2323
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:43 PM, 04/04/2013
      Pre 2007 Nobody was on the Phillies Bandwagon since 1993.
      nellynel89
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:44 PM, 04/04/2013
      Come one people! This poll is worthless. There is a reason big markets are not in the top list, it is because your population is so much larger. There are a fraction of the people in Green Bay and Milwaukee as there are in Philadelphia. 6 out of 100 is a higher percentage than 50,000 out of 1 Million. This town is getting dumber and dumber. So please stop the questions and arguements about the poll, it's measures are worthless
      kozykoz26


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