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Philly overrated as a sports town?

An Eagles fan shows how he feels about his team during the Eagles game against the Panthers. (Ron Cortes/Staff Photographer)
An Eagles fan shows how he feels about his team during the Eagles game against the Panthers. (Ron Cortes/Staff Photographer)
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  • It's a common belief in Philadelphia that local fans are the most passionate in the country.
  • Philadelphia does rank high in big-league interest, but it's not even No. 1 in Pennsylvania.
  • Phillies fans stand out much more in their sport than Eagles fans do in football.
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    It's a common belief in Philadelphia that local fans are the most passionate in the country, especially because of crazed Eagles fans.

    Findings from a major national survey paint a somewhat different picture.

    Philadelphia does rank high in big-league interest, but it's not even No. 1 in Pennsylvania, according to Scarborough Research.

    And Phillies fans stand out much more in their sport than Eagles fans do in football, suggesting that the baseball team may be the difference maker in comparisons with other cities.

    Over the next week, we'll roll out some of the surprising findings, but first let's focus on how Philly fans stack up nationally.

    About 210,000 people across the country, after being phoned by Scarborough, agreed to fill out detailed questionnaires about all sorts of consumer interests and habits. The results became available in February, though the process lasted from August 2011 to September 2012.

    One question asked people if they were "very," "somewhat" or "not at all" interested in one or more of the four biggest sports leagues - the NFL, Major League Baseball, the National Hockey League, or the National Basketball Association.

    Here are the Top 10 markets - "designated media areas" - ranked by percentage of fans who said they were "very interested":

    1. Green Bay, Wisc., 57 percent.

    2. Milwaukee, Wisc., 56.

    3. Pittsburgh, Pa., 53.

    4. New Orleans, La., 53.

    5. Baltimore, Md., 48.

    6. Boston, Mass., 47.

    7. Colorado Springs/Pueblo, Colo., 46.

    8. Providence, R.I./New Bedford, Mass., 46.

    9. St. Louis, Mo., 46.

    10. Philadelphia, Pa., 45 percent.

    The national average: 38 percent.

    Odd list, isn't it? No New York or Chicago, but Colorado Springs? Only two cities with all four sports make the cut, while a town with just one team (Green Bay) leads the way.

    Apparently, in small cities where there's less to do, sports can become disproportionately popular, especially if there's a franchise or two nearby that's recently won a championship, explained Bill Nielsen, head of Scarborough's sports marketing division.

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    Who has more fans, the Eagles or the Phillies?
    Vote for the view nearest yours.
    Eagles, by far.
    Eagles, by 5 to 15 percent.
    It's close.
    Phillies, by 5 to 15 percent.
    Phillies, by far.
    Flyers have the most fans in Philly.
    76ers have the most fans.
    No clue.

    That's why he found Philadelphia's ranking "pretty impressive," given that it's the biggest market on the list and second only to Boston among the nation's four-sports cities.

    Do the same list by media market size, and Philadelphia finishes far ahead of some other major areas. (Number in parentheses is the rank by four-sport interest.)

    1. New York, 36 percent (No. 43).

    2. Los Angeles, 33 percent (55).

    3. Chicago, 42 percent (16).

    4. Philadelphia, 45 percent (10).

    5. Dallas-Fort Worth, 42 percent (14).

    6. San Francisco-Oakland-San Jose, 36 percent (42).

    7. Boston, 47 percent (6).

    8. Washington, D.C., 39 percent (29).

    9. Atlanta, 37 percent (33).

    10. Houston, 32 percent (58).

    Note that only Dallas and Chicago join Philly and Boston in the Top 20, while San Francisco, New York, Los Angeles and Houston can't crack the Top 40 - and yet Albany/Schenectady, Grand Rapids, Toledo, Rochester, Albuquerque and Harrisburg/Lancaster/Lebanon (37 percent) all do.

    In Philadelphia, female fans show more team spirit than both genders do in L.A. or Houston. About 34 percent of Philly-area women say they're "very interested" in at least one major sport, just a bit behind Boston's 37 percent, Nielsen said.

    Nationally, 27 percent of women expressed being "very interested" in the four leagues.

    In absolute numbers overall, though, New York is king, said Nielsen (no relation to the TV ratings folks). In the NFL, for example, the New York Giants have the third lowest market peneration, percentage-wise, but are No. 1 in the league in terms of total fans, with about 7.7 million, he said.

    Neilsen acknowledges that there are other, perhaps better, ways to measure fanaticism, like TV ratings, and ticket and merchandise sales.

    "This has nothing to do with people who attend games," he said.

    Also, the meaning of "very interested" could vary from market to market (as well as fan to fan).

    Compared to the zealots who call Philly sports-talk radio, a Philadelphia fan who attends five games a year might think that's no big deal. His counterpart in West Palm Beach, though, might consider that a major commitment.

    That could mean that smaller towns tend to overrate their enthusiasm.

    Next report: Most fans: Eagles or Phillies?


    Contact staff writer Peter Mucha at 215-854-4342 or pmucha@phillynews.com.

     

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    Comments  (94)
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:06 PM, 04/04/2013
      Actually, NO.
      Only and IDIOT would pay for a BMW!
      BEMiller
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:00 AM, 04/05/2013
      Of course, the Phillies and Flyers(the Sixers are always close as well) are over the salary cap every single year so there goes that theory. As for the Eagles it is hard to say since it is a proven fact that the best teams in the NFL over the last 15 years are all at the bottom of the league in terms of payroll so again your theory lacks traction. Maybe actually having a clue could be a new prerequisite before you post?
      UncleStosh
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:41 AM, 04/04/2013
      Was the polling sample strictly Philadelphia or did it cover the 10 suburban counties where fans live outside the city limits?
      Ringsider
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:53 AM, 04/04/2013
      I wonder what those two green fellas look like now because Ms. Lou digging them back then.
      MS. LOU.
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:58 AM, 04/04/2013
      Simply stated, ANY person, group, newspaper, publication and/or research group who comes to the conclusion that Philly is overrated as a sports town, immediately loses ALL credibility, period. It is THAT simple.
      5NOT4
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:03 PM, 04/04/2013
      A complete waste of tax dollars. Anyone who publishes or reports on a meaningless survey should be punished.
      lostInPhilly
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:07 PM, 04/04/2013
      The teams have done an outstanding job pulling in the fans with their promotions, fields and arenas of play. Having the local sports media at your total beck and call at a moments notice helps a lot, too. Control the media and you control everything, as some dictator once said. The problem is in championships, and this is where they ALL come up woefully short, even the Phils.

      But as far as selling the "Idea" of a championship caliber organization or team, these Philly teams are the best at it, with a special thanks to the local media and papers. And a lot of the fans are gullible enough into buying into that premise. Each and every year.
      DelawareRiverRat
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:10 PM, 04/04/2013
      The only thing this list proves is there is a list for every thing and one and that Philly.com will publish all of them
      tgood
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:14 PM, 04/04/2013
      And don't forget it's all small markets ahead of Philly. Why? Because, not including Boston, there is nothing else to do in those God-forsaken towns EXCEPT sports! So of course the interest will be higher.
      uncle meat
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:20 PM, 04/04/2013
      This site rarely performs due diligence on "research studies" they report on. Similar to NBC10's morning news "medical reports". After all, why should facts and legitimacy get in the way of hype?
      Bob1
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:25 PM, 04/04/2013
      Gee professor, there are still Phillies tickets left for Opening Day. Always there? get real.
      intelliwoman
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:30 PM, 04/04/2013
      normal people are bandwagon hoppers, nutjobs are "hardcore." they are crazier about their teams (pirates excepted) in pittsburgh but it's a smaller place. everyone thinks they have the best fans or whatever, who cares, move on.
      dreinterests
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:33 PM, 04/04/2013
      Most Iggles fans are the first members of their family to walk upright.
      MBFlyerfan
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:39 PM, 04/04/2013
      Why is this news? Aren't there more important things going on under our noses right now?
      MS. LOU.
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:16 PM, 04/04/2013
      It is easy to agree there are more important things happening.
      This only begs the question, "Why, MS. LOU., is your interest in what you seem to be calling drivel so great as to demand you make a post?"
      GOOD GRIEF!
      BEMiller


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