Sam Donnellon: Celek won't put positive spin on Eagles' record

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BRENT CELEK had no idea that Donovan McNabb had said earlier, "I would say it's going well."

He had no idea that Andy Reid had said earlier than that, "I have a pretty good idea of our team's identity."

Tight end Brent Celek insists the Eagles must correct the mistakes they´ve been making.
CLEM MURRAY / Staff photographer
Tight end Brent Celek insists the Eagles must correct the mistakes they've been making.

In short, he must have missed a memo. Maybe with a title like "Happy Spin," perhaps urging players to ignore Sunday's ugly loss to the Cowboys, the Raiders' loss of a few weeks ago, the four wins against teams with a combined 7-25 record, some erratic quarterbacking, some erratic coaching, some painful-looking football.

"[We're] 5-3," added McNabb.

Well, yes. But . . .

"Especially since we've played eight games, we shouldn't be making the same mistakes," said Celek, the Eagles' tight end. "Other teams aren't making the same mistakes."

They're not? That's not what the quarterback said . . .

I think.

"In this game, in the NFL, you have your highs and you have your lows," McNabb said. "There are only two teams right now that are undefeated. If you ask anybody on the other teams who felt like they should be having a better season or a couple of games where they've felt like they should have won, you see the miscues or mistakes, not being on the same page in certain situations or certain moments in the game."

I will never poke fun at a Charlie Manuel press conference again.

That said, I think McNabb was trying to say that every team not named New Orleans or Indianapolis is, in fact, making the same mistakes, or the same kinds of mistakes the Eagles have made through the bumpy first half of this 2009 season. More than a few questions yesterday offered an alibi of newness and youth for this - rookies, first year with the team, that sort of thing.

McNabb mentioned that the Colts and the Patriots - this Sunday night's prime-time combatants - are "throwing some younger guys in the other positions." The Colts won a Super Bowl 3 years ago, the Patriots have won three and went to one 2 years ago. The Colts have Peyton Manning, the Patriots have Tom Brady. You can cite the Eagles' overall won-loss record in relation to these teams all you want, but I guarantee there is no one seriously throwing the Eagles' name around with those teams outside of this municipality.

The two biggest reasons for that are Reid and McNabb, you pick the order. Both are good at what they do, but both have exhibited a stagnant learning curve in the 11 seasons they have been married together. No question there were youthful miscues in Sunday's loss, but McNabb's inaccuracy - throwing balls at toes, behind receivers - and Reid's stubbornness were again the vinegar on the wound.

Said Celek: "We're making big plays and having consistent drives and scoring. And then, as you could see Sunday night, we just couldn't get going. When we didn't start the game off so well this last game, we let that carry over instead of starting over and saying, 'OK, let's get this thing going right now. We just kept carrying it on until the game was over."

Just guessing, but that's not the identity Reid thinks he has a pretty good idea of.

At least I hope it isn't.

Here's the thing: Who is most responsible for the, "OK, let's get this thing going right now"? The third-year tight end? The second-year star receiver? The rookie running back?

Or the coach and the quarterback, both in their 11th seasons?

Would Andy Reid be a better coach with Tom Brady or Peyton Manning? They might make him look good even when his play was flawed.

Would Donovan McNabb be a better quarterback with Bill Belichick as his coach? The Patriots' coach might devise an offense more suited to his strengths and more forgiving of his weaknesses. More runs. Fewer of those short touch passes that he finds so difficult to execute.

More consistency maybe?

I would like to point out that the Giants won their Super Bowl after the 2007 season with eight rookies playing prominent roles, and with a slew of new faces as well.

"People talk about the young guys because they expect rookies to make mistakes," Celek said. "But we're at the point . . . when you play eight games, four preseason games - that's pretty much a year under your belt right there.

"There's no excuse. We all play in the NFL. We're all professionals."

"When I say it's everybody, it's everybody," Reid said. Statistically, he's right. Based on his past, he should think his team will play better at the end than it is playing now, even despite a tougher road the rest of the way.

And yet when he said yesterday that, "There are eight more big games and we're sitting here with a decent record and a good position," you wondered if that "pretty good idea" of his team's identity was as flawed as the first half has been.

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Posted 04:59 AM, 11/12/2009
overtaxed
I guess Celek is getting traded.....
Posted 06:10 AM, 11/12/2009
Phan-in-CT
THIS is why Celek is a man. Admit your mistakes, take ownership, no excuses. Birds would be a bunch of tards not to listen to him.
Posted 06:52 AM, 11/12/2009
joe$
You've expressed the Eagles' issues perfectly. Yes, they've been very successful the last 11 years. But there is increasing frustration that the mistakes that we've been watching for a decade haven't been corrected. I've never advocated firing Reid or dumping 5, because whatever plan "B" would be probably wouldn't be as good. But I think we deserve better than having to watch the same mistakes over and over again.
Posted 06:54 AM, 11/12/2009
BobDeschak
IT is rebuilding years, I don't expect the Eagles to do anything this year or next, wait for 2011 when Kolb start and all these young pups are grown up.Hopefully by then AR fixes the whole right side of the O-Line. 2011- McCoy 23, Jackson 24, Maclin 23, Celek 26 and Kolb 26........these next two years are rebuilding, hopefully we get a hard hitting safety by then too.
Posted 07:01 AM, 11/12/2009
Grandpa, when you were my age some guy puked at the Super Bowl!?
And, THIS is why McNabb is a loser. A third-year guy can tell the truth & admit "we shouldn't be making the same mistakes". But Low Throw McBlow is forever the COWARD, showing up to every single press conference already prepared with all his excuses & B*LL SH*T comparisons, because he is nothing but AN INSECURE LOSER & he cannot stomach looking in the mirror & taking responsibility. So just hang in there Celek, Kolb will be starting shortly & running the offense the way Andy believes it is capable of running. As far as Andy Reid is concerned? Well, there quite simply ARE NO adjustments that a head coach can make that can compensate for a Born Loser like McNabb. No matter what reid adjusted, McNabb would have found a way to lose, it's what he does. Bottom line, the last 11 years are much more McNabb's fault than Reid's. AND TIME WILL PROVE THIS. Go Birds!!!!
Posted 07:06 AM, 11/12/2009
lonewolf 10
sam,the young guns had a great first half,celek,mccoy,maclin,jackson and kevin kolb are not the reason for a 5-3 record that included 5 cupcakes (carolina-washington-raiders-tampa bay-kansas city),,it's hard to put too much blame on big red because red made some great draft picks in the last 3 drafts,,the birds with kevin kolb(391 yards passing)) played the 8-0 saints even in the first half,and then the fumbled kick-off and the mike convick experiment opened the flood gates for the saints....the future 2010+)of the eagles look good with the young guns,,the offense will play consistent smart football even in the forth quarter.....
Posted 07:27 AM, 11/12/2009
Seed
We all know the lies and twisted words from Journalists. Sam is twisting the words of Celek as usual. Celek is a team player; he is a man with honor. He will not put his team members rookie or veteran under the bus. Just ask Hamels and rest of the Phillies why they hate the Philly journalists.
Posted 07:29 AM, 11/12/2009
Seed
Celek is a team player and a man with honor. He understands the health issue his O-line is going through. He understands other limitations his team is going through. He will not put his rookie team members under bus. This article is fabricated lies by a Journalist; what else is new!
Posted 07:46 AM, 11/12/2009
Seed
WIP and Philly.com seem to have the same marketing research team. Their data is showing that the 1% audience that each of them have is hate filled and illogical. So, they are both getting the viral lies out there to create a team chemistry problem. They don't care if Eagles and Phillies win or loose; they care if they can hold on to their 5% with a message a hate.
Posted 07:50 AM, 11/12/2009
Voytas
McLaugh and Reid remind me of the guy at the end of Animal House who insisted to "remain calm all is well". Let me say this, they have no choice but to remain calm, but not all is well. They will be lucky to go 3-3 in the next six games.
Posted 08:02 AM, 11/12/2009
Phil Checchia
Seed... You know football. Watch Don in the pocket. His feet are constantly moving. That's why he is so inaccurate on short pases. On the long passes he has to step forward and throw the ball and he is more effective. He is a detriment to Reid offense. Garcia and Kolb run it much better. Don has been misused since he came into the league. Together, Reid and Don are not winners. One must go.
Posted 08:07 AM, 11/12/2009
Grandpa, when you were my age some guy puked at the Super Bowl!?
Voytas, i think everybody should call him by his new name, "Low Throw McBlow". Can you help me spread the news?
Posted 08:30 AM, 11/12/2009
notch44
voytas- that guy in animal house was kevin bacon. chill philly fans. stop getting your panties in a bunch. eagles win 3 in a row you'll be back on the bandwagon.
Posted 08:38 AM, 11/12/2009
dansdigs
That's it. I'm going to buy a Celek jersey right now!
Posted 08:46 AM, 11/12/2009
Seed
McNabb: "In this situation, we knew we should have won that game against Dallas. Now we look forward to going out and hopefully playing well against San Diego.” This is what McNabb said yesterday, just like Celek. If you read this twisted article, you will not find any reference to those facts. Tabloid journalism at it's worst.
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