Posted: Tuesday, July 5, 2011, 7:20 AM | 15 comments |
 
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First things first: CBA talks resume today in New York, with just about everybody agreeing that the NFL players and owners need to resolve their differences by July 15, for training camps and preseason games to be held on schedule.

That’s a bigger deal than it might seem. Estimates I’ve seen say every canceled preseason game will cost the league about $220 million – which isn’t just the owners’ problem, since that money figures into whatever total revenues the players are going to end up sharing, and helps determine the salary cap.

From what I understand, the Eagles still hope to go to Lehigh, even if they don’t have time to put together everything that normally goes into training camp. But really, this has to get done by the end of next week, for any semblance of normalcy. And I think it will, even if there are some tense moments along the way.

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The Flyers’ recent total housecleaning got me thinking about organizational styles and big moves. Flyers owner Ed Snider – once an Eagles vice president, back in the ‘60s -- is not a patient man; even though general manager Paul Holmgren pulled the trigger, I think we can assume that Snider’s displeasure over the Flyers’ second-round playoff exit played a large role in what happened.

People like big, bold, go-for-it strategies, and passionate personalities, which is one reason Snider’s style has played better with the public over the years than say, that of Eagles president Joe Banner or head coach Andy Reid. In fact, I don’t think Reid would still be working, 12 years into a tenure that does not include a Super Bowl title, if he worked for Snider. Maybe that would be a good thing, and maybe not.

There is such a thing as being too bold. For all of Snider’s willingness to change things up, particularly on the coaching end, the Flyers still haven’t won a Stanley Cup since 1975, and I’m unconvinced they are any closer to the 2012 Cup than they were before they dealt Mike Richards and Jeff Carter.

I have a very clear memory of one huge Snider-authored move that did not work out so well – the 1992 trade that brought Eric Lindros to the Flyers in exchange for five players, two first-round draft picks and $15 million. Make no mistake, that trade happened because the Flyers had missed the playoffs three years in a row, and because Peter Forsberg, probably the franchise’s second-best-ever first-round pick (behind Bobby Clarke) told then-GM Russ Farwell he wasn’t willing to come over from Sweden for the ’92-93 season. Snider was building an arena, and he needed buzz.

Lindros provided plenty of buzz, but no Cups. Forsberg eventually became a better player than Lindros, and led Colorado to two Cups.

The Banner-Reid style is more subdued. If there is a recent Eagles equivalent to the Lindros trade, it is the 2004 acquisition of wideout Terrell Owens, similar right down to the need for arbitration to determine who held the player’s rights. The Eagles didn’t give up any future Hall of Famers to get Owens. But after one precious trip to the Super Bowl, they ended up with a ruptured locker room and a franchise quarterback who was never quite viewed the same way after he fell out with T.O..

The Eagles have hinted at intending bold moves when free agency finally begins this year. They definitely seem to be in the market for help at corner, linebacker and defensive line, but it’s not clear they plan to make the big, crowd-pleasing move, for corner Nnamdi Asomugha.

Which way of doing things works better? So far, in this era, it’s a 0-0 draw. No Stanley Cups, no Lombardi Trophies.

Posted by Les Bowen @ 7:20 AM  Permalink | 15 comments
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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:27 AM, 07/05/2011
    The Phillies way works better
    mikeyhigs
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:11 AM, 07/05/2011
    Comparing the Flyer/Eagels....ah, yea.....one hasn't won a chamipionship in 37 years and the other in 51 years. Yet the dopey fans still spend their money on them.......and the owners laugvh all the way to the bank....fools!
    STEPHEN1988
  • 1 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:14 AM, 07/05/2011
    Last time I checked, Snider never went around and called his team the Gold standard of the league.
    Jimmy2times
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:44 AM, 07/05/2011
    What's with the comparisons today? First the Phils/Flyers, now this? Really slow news day.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:48 AM, 07/05/2011
    "The Phillies way works better" You mean not being competetive for decades on end?
    KJ6710
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:31 PM, 07/05/2011
    The truth is Philly has the best sports town by far. Eagles, Phillies, Flyers and Sixers are all playoff teams that have a chance to win championships/trophies.
    briandawkins20
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:40 PM, 07/05/2011
    if the eagles really want to make a splash, trade Vick for a player n 2 1st rounders, instead of kolb, now that would be a blockbuster
    rockyman63
  • 1 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:42 PM, 07/05/2011
    The title of the article held so much promise, then nothing ...another "have to write something" mail it in article.
    Lindros lifted a team that hadn't made the playoffs in 5 years to the cup finals, he turned out to a victim of his aggressiveness, and became fragile like his brother. Forsberg as stated said he wouldn't come over, they had already waited a year or two, he went to a team who had Roy as the goalie, and the cups followed ... put Roy with Lindros and the cups follow.
    FatBoy90
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:50 PM, 07/05/2011
    The Phillies way? 10,000 losses. The Phillies have 2 championships in 125 years and the Flyers have 2 in 43 years. The Phillies have been very good the past few years but if they can't manage another championship with their pitching it will be a disappointment. Eagles: All hat and no cattle.
    Rabe56
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:24 PM, 07/05/2011
    As much as I know that Bob Clarke was, is and will probably always be, the greatest ever draft choice, he was taken in the second round. A person by the name of Bob Courier, was the Flyers first round choice, never heard of before or since.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:45 PM, 07/05/2011
    The Phillies way, HA. Don't forget all those signings haven't produced championship fruit. The majority of the stars from the '08 team were homegrown talent.
    PattheBat
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:56 PM, 07/05/2011
    The Phillies way brought us Lance Parrish. I give all the credit in the world to Ed Snider. Bringing Lindros to Philly was one of the greatest days ever. Did it work out by bringing us a Cup? No, but 88 is still the most entertaining player I've seen in 25 years. His demise was because of his monster game. The guy got beat up by cheapshot artists and goons every single night of his career.
    kjuggs77
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:48 AM, 07/06/2011
    I think it is difficult to classify the Eagles as simply having a "slow and steady wins the race" mentality. We have seen them bring in the hottest free agents on the market numerous times, and regardless of how they panned out, they "went for it" with Asante, Owens, Kearse, Vincent and others I am surely forgetting. They've turned over their roster almost 70-90% several different times in a few year span under Reid's tenure. They even made jaw dropping decisions: Getting rid of McNabb after two consecutive seasons of most points ever in team history, bringing in Vick, replacing Kolb with Vick, letting Dawk go, replacing McDermott, Juan Castillo...alot of tough decisions that were made to shake things up, not necessarily slowly build. There is a methodology, but it seems similar to the Eagles offense... aim for consistent progress while taking some big gambles down the field.
    PHLtoLAX
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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:34 PM, 07/06/2011
    Actually, Snyder has won 2 championships. The score is 2-0
    mold1103


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Les BowenLes Bowen has covered the Eagles for the Daily News since 2002. Before that, he spent nearly 13 years covering the Flyers. It took Les only a few seasons after the switch to figure out that there was no penalty box at the Linc, and that the time really wasn't his, despite what Andy Reid kept saying. Les came to Philadelphia and the Daily News from Charlotte in 1983. In the intervening years, he has pretty much lost track of NASCAR, and his accent. He, his wife Barbara, and their two sons live in Haddon Township, New Jersey. E-mail Les at bowenl@phillynews.com and follow him on Twitter.

Paul DomowitchPaul Domowitch has been with the Daily News since 1982. He has spent most of his nearly 3 decades with the paper covering the Eagles and pro football. For the last 10 years, he’s been a selector for the Pro Football Hall of Fame. A native of Wilkes-Barre and a graduate of Wilkes University, Domo started his career in Texas, working first for the Midland Reporter-Telegram (1976-78), and then for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, where he covered some god-awful Texas Ranger baseball teams. His first beat at the Daily News actually was boxing, which he covered just long enough to lose 2 sports coats to blood spatter before moving on to football. Domo and his wife Shelley, a University of Oklahoma grad who still hasn’t gotten over that Fiesta Bowl loss to Boise State 5 years ago, have 2 terrific daughters -- Allison, 28, who is an attorney in South Jersey, and Amy, 25, who works in administration for a professional baseball team. E-mail Domo at PDomo@aol.com and follow him on Twitter.

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