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Wednesday, November 12, 2008

   As the Eagles slip toward the playoff margins, this is not the "failure" scenario I envisioned in the preseason.

   I thought if the Birds weren't pretty solid this year, it would be because either Donovan McNabb or Brian Westbrook suffered a serious, season-altering injury. I figured the most likely outcome in that case would be that management would decide it was time to rebuild, and focus on trading McNabb in the coming offseason. I didn't see anything endangering Andy Reid's status.

   But though McNabb and Westbrook (especially Westbrook) have been dinged and dented, the Eagles aren't the third- or fourth-best team in the NFC East because of injuries to those guys. Neither McNabb nor Westbrook has much to do with blocking or tackling, and it is on the offensive and defensive lines that both Washington and New York seem to have moved past the Eagles. (Dallas, who knows? We'll leave the Cowboys out of this for now.)

  Jeffrey Lurie and Joe Banner are pretty stubborn when it comes to acquiescing to a panicky populace. They've had quite a bit of faith in Reid, quite a bit of appreciation for how he led their team out of the 3-13 wilderness. But "stubborn" and "stupid" are two different things.

    If I'm Lurie or Banner right now, I'm looking at things like the miscalculation involved in the Lorenzo Booker trade, the fullback follies, and the inability of the defensive line to stop the Redskins or the Giants, despite a bunch of money and draft picks spent in that area the past several years. I would have serious questions about whether Reid is the guy to rebuild this team in 2009, the way he was in 1999.

  I'm not saying anything is going to happen. Lurie owes Reid at least $10 million on a contract that runs through 2010. The Eagles could still make the playoffs, could still catch a Washington or New York napping in the rematch and succeed just enough to allow management to cling to the mistaken belief  that it has the personnel in the trenches to line up with the best. Titular GM Tom Heckert, whose rise abruptly stalled a little while back, could become a sacrificial lamb

  Overall, I still favor the blame-it-on-Donovan scenario: reporters historically sympathetic to management favored by postseason not-for-attribution whispers about how, you know, film review showed the team would actually have won this game or that game if McNabb weren't so erratic, it wasn't really that the team or the playcalling weren't good enough,  you see.

I don't see any way Donovan stays, at age 32, and Andy leaves. That wouldn't really make sense. And though I don't blame McNabb for what has happened this year, I also don't think he's been good enough when it counts. He is not the QB he was four years ago, and I guess now he never will be that guy again.

 But for the first time, I can envision another coach behind that NovaCare microphone -- I never thought Reid was close to stepping down last year, when his kids ran into trouble. Now, I keep flashing back to Sunday night, and the Eagles being pushed around the field by the Giants in a nationally televised game that was not as close as the final score indicated, the scoreboard cameras settling on Jeffrey Lurie entertaining vice president-elect Joe Biden in Lurie's suite. The booing was visceral. I have to think Lurie knows Philadelphia wasn't booing Biden. 

Posted by Les Bowen @ 12:06 PM  Permalink | 57 comments
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Posted 08:06 AM, 11/12/2008
gordy
Anything but Reid leaving is unaceptable
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Posted 08:20 AM, 11/12/2008
shipu56
Does this paragraph make any sense? I've read it 4 times now and I still have no clue what Les Bowen is trying to say. "Overall, I still favor the blame-it-on-Donovan scenario: reporters historically sympathetic to management favored by postseason not-for-attribution whispers about how, you know, film review showed the team would actually have won this game or that game if McNabb weren't so erratic, it wasn't really that the team or the playcalling weren't good enough, you see."
Posted 08:32 AM, 11/12/2008
EddyO
Les; The fans were not booing Biden, but the lack of an intentional grounding call on the Giants.
Posted 08:37 AM, 11/12/2008
Cant Climb
I agree Shipe56. Read that 3 times and still don't understand all of it..... Big Red has to go. Time for something new. This makes me sad. Who will we get.....?........there are soooooo many coaches out there worse then Big Red. Reid can blueprint offenses in the quiet of his office but his game day coaching and personel decisions are poor and his 'message' has been muted. This team always seemed so prepared and well coached. We haven't seen that for 3 or 4 years......we want to see it again, almost seems like it was a mirage at this point.
Posted 09:27 AM, 11/12/2008
Snake
Lurie is too cheap to eat the $10mil so we are stuck with Reid. They will throw Donovan under the bus.
Posted 09:49 AM, 11/12/2008
ItalianSausage
The Wire is right. Alot of head coaches could win with this eagles team. Everyone knows that. This article does nothing to advance the story, just re-states what we all know. Snake knows the score with Lurie, too. I hope Chicago or Minn. is willing to part with a #1 for McNabb, which the Birds will probably trade so as not to pay #1 $$$.
Posted 10:21 AM, 11/12/2008
Cant Climb
The EAGLES spend money. That is the greatest fallacy in all of the whining !!!
Posted 10:22 AM, 11/12/2008
mdhnyc
If Reid goes, I would expect Lurie and Banner to bring back Spags.
Posted 10:41 AM, 11/12/2008
hessjc
I can't even watch them anymore. Reid, although his arrogance is hard to stomach, has done some very good things over the years but his offensive vision is clearly flawed. It's time has passed. So should Andy's time as Eagles coach. Time to move on.
Posted 10:42 AM, 11/12/2008
LJL
Donovan, without his scrambling ability (whether it's because he can't or won't) is simply not accurate enough anymore in an offense that is pass-first, pass-only, and run-incapable. For a team that scripts it's first 15 plays, McNabb looks like he hasn't even SEEN the script, especially the past few weeks. Sad to say, this era is DONE. Time to move on.
Posted 12:35 PM, 11/12/2008
joe from india
I WAS booing Biden. I also booed Pat Burrel and Cole Hamels. I booed the Marines silent drill team. I booed the fans who kicked for a trip between quarters. I booed the woman who took my $20 to park. I booed the guy who took too long in front of me at the urinal. I booed when Dan Baker told me to make noise because NBC was about to go live. Booooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted 12:40 PM, 11/12/2008
warbird
AR is not leaving, make no mistake about it. He's here this year and next....get used to it. Snake's got it down pat, JL is not eating the contract. Until there is a collective media pressure nothing will change. This team is subpar and the players know it. We need change, Obama/Biden '08!
Posted 01:06 PM, 11/12/2008
otherhoots
Andy Reid the General Manager (Heckert has no power) has let Andy Reid the Head Coach down. Another off season on mediocre talent additions is going to set this team back for a long time. Lurie needs to put a fresh voice into power that will force some serious evaluations to be made as far as team personel, Reid is failing in this department
Posted 01:12 PM, 11/12/2008
frustrated 22
I agree that the paragraph makes no sense. I find it very disturbing that Andy is making the kinds of mistakes that rookie coaches make. Entering the season last year without a punt returner and this year without a fullback defies logic. What do we have to look forward to next year, no kicker, no safety, no left tackle, etc....?
Posted 01:17 PM, 11/12/2008
stoky
Best-Case Scenario... DONOVAN APPEARS ON ELLEN.... AND STAYS
Posted 01:24 PM, 11/12/2008
B in DC
On offense, they need a big back, or a real fullback, or to stop trying to run in short yardage. Here's the script I see - Fourth quarter, down by less than a TD. Third and 2, run to the outside. Fourth and 2, run to the outside. Take a shower. Go home. Should have run a fade or a wideout screen. Something where a playmaker has a chance. No offense to Westbrook, but he didn't have it on Monday.
Posted 01:24 PM, 11/12/2008
G$Money
ANDY REIS=DONALD RUMSFELD
Posted 01:39 PM, 11/12/2008
gtcrawley
The paragraph means that Les believes that the team is going to throw 5 under the bus after this season. Watch for whispers that 5 has just never lived up to his potential, etc from that chooch Dave Spadaro and people of his ilk. This is 5's last year here. He will go to Chicago and win a Super Bowl, and we will be stuck with the Kevin Kolb Era. Oh, and AR has pictures of Lurie with a donkey, so he will never be fired.
Posted 01:50 PM, 11/12/2008
Grazman
It's the not-for-attribution part. It doesn't read right. attribution - Something, such as a quality or characteristic, that is related to a particular possessor; an attribute. Oh, and I booed the announcers. Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Posted 02:09 PM, 11/12/2008
davekrieg
Anyone who has ever taken a "Critical Thinking" class in school would know that this all starts with Lurie & Banner. They LET Reid continute with his nonsense which in turns lets Reid allow tht egReg Lewis', Sean Considines' and LJ Smiths' of the world stink the place up.
Posted 02:30 PM, 11/12/2008
CSpangler
I dont understand how the game wasnt as close as the score indicated? Didnt we have the ball at our 40 with 4 mins left? Seems like a close game to me. To the haters...Which coach do you want for the Eagles? And if you say Cowher, look at his record as a coach and tell me how thru 10 yrs its any different than Reids?
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Posted 02:57 PM, 11/12/2008
rwright611
Andy has definitely worn out his welcome with his coaching and personnel bonehead moves. What have you done for us lately, Big Red? You screwed the pooch. That's what you've done.
Posted 03:01 PM, 11/12/2008
phils116
Time to rebuild.... Just like all our NFC rivals did when we ruled the East. I think Donovan, Andy, Jim Johnson, Dawkins( as much as we love him he is a coverage liability) Runyan and Tra, maybe even Akers have to go. All our old parts are clearly rusting. I think we could turn it around next year like the Saints did when they got Sean Payton, because we would be a very similar, if not better, team than they were.
Posted 03:26 PM, 11/12/2008
pritter
They go 8-8. I have been saying this since before preseason. Once again, they picked up NO ONE during the offseason. Lurie, needs to clean house and do it after the Cowgirls game on December 28.
Posted 03:38 PM, 11/12/2008
Big Ragu
Get rid of both of them. Both Coach and QB are terrible, stubborn and will always be LOSERS!!! We need WINNERS here, like those Phightins!!!
Posted 03:48 PM, 11/12/2008
mikeb
makes no sense. you start by saying it's not all to blame on mcnabb, but then say it is blame it on mcnabb??? you know why? because it's easy. les, you know next to nothing about football. you lack the ability to actually analyze plays and situations so you just go 'it was mcnabb's fault.' who will you blame this awful post on?
Posted 03:50 PM, 11/12/2008
PhillySportsVet
Nothing new, Reid and McNabb must go. We have not been competitive for 3 years. Everyone knows what call the Eagles will make in any given situation. I have always said Reid is very conservative. The post game show, Tiki Barber told the other broadcasters what play Reid was going to use on 3rd & 4th down. Barber said Reid is very predictable. So every other coach knows what we are going to do. McNabb should have been traded to Minn this year for a #1. I think Childress will give up #1 for him. May they both be gone by next year.
Posted 04:34 PM, 11/12/2008
CHUCK JR
McNabb is a great QB...how else do u explain his stats with sub-standard weapons...how many reverses do they think people will be fooled by...too predictable...give McNabb time and he's good to go....give him receivers that can read a blitz and alter their routes accordingly and he's good to go..coaching???...I could out coach Reid using Madden '93 on Sega. Keep the QB....toss Andy....toss WR Brown....Bring in Cowler (probably lose him to Dallas)...bring in a bruising RB and/or FB...a good WR....BOOM.
Posted 04:51 PM, 11/12/2008
DonEck
OK, I have held this in ... but after Sunday night's debacle, I too, am allowed to have an opinion (or two). 1.) Another fact filled Reid news conference ... so informative! God, he looks like an arrogant fat a_ _ and says even less. 2.) Not only the botched plays, but the lack of using personnel right. Buckhalter- one carry. Avant- one catch. LJ- three catches, but lackluster performance. The other TE-one week 6 catches, next week thrown to once! Hank Basket- one catch! Hey, fire Reid! See if Donovan can perform for another coach... If not, next year is not soon enough for Korn-on-the Kolb. I'm done, thanks.
Posted 05:05 PM, 11/12/2008
Flyboy24
I was indeed booing Biden...and Lurie.
Posted 05:06 PM, 11/12/2008
jackalot
i understood the paragraph...all les was trying to say was that reid and his cronies would plant stories in the media to throw donavan under the bus and make sure DM and not AR takes the blame for this forgettable .500 team.....
Posted 05:36 PM, 11/12/2008
p-diddy
Les, I agree with you 100%. And I'm sick of hearing about how McNabb has no weapons. This offense has Brian Westbrook, Kevin Curtis, Desean Jackson and Reggie Brown. The problem is in the trenches - no fullback and no Shawn Andrews. Runyan, god bless him, isn't getting any younger, and neither is Tra Thomas. The small, fast approach isn't working when it comes to the D-line. They were trampled by Jacobs and the Giants o-line. Dawkins is an all-time Eagle, but it's time to move on. If we're going to go 8-8 or 9-7, I'd rather do it with new blood and hope for the team's future. This team looks stagnant.
Posted 05:47 PM, 11/12/2008
p-diddy
I think this game was about personnel, as bad as the strategy was. The Eagles were outmuscled by a more physically dominant team, and that has me worried as an Eagles fan. The Giants are simply a more physical team, and the Eagles lost mainly for that reason. I can appreciate the finesse approach to offense, and we've seen it work under Reid before, but this group is being physically dominated. You can't have that. Time to go back to the drawing board.
Posted 06:07 PM, 11/12/2008
NickEeee
Why was Biden wearing a blue sweater?
Posted 08:02 PM, 11/12/2008
cmflem
I appreciate everything Andy and Donavan have done here for the past 10 years. But sadly, I think that there time is done and both should be gone next year.
Posted 08:25 PM, 11/12/2008
MJPD345
Get a running game.Get for once what looks like a solid drive and none of the plays were passes. Show me the OTHER teams tired and beat up D linemen. I just don't get what Andy Reid is trying to acheive on the field if you don't have THAT ?? BOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Posted 08:48 PM, 11/12/2008
rbm7528
The Eagles management are kind of like an abusive spouse, we complained that we didn't have a true #1 wide receiver, so they smacked the other side of our face and took away the fullback. Keep complaining and Reid will cut the Center for 2009. BTW the only thing stupid about the Booker trade was that he is a running back and Andy is morally opposed to running the ball. Don't blame Booker's lack of productivity with the Eagles on Booker... hell we barely run with Westbrook or Buckhalter...
Posted 08:50 PM, 11/12/2008
biged02
Andy Reid has lost his football common sense and it's proved costly to the Eagles winning close games. How do you go into the season without a "true" fullback? His play calling has been horific at times. It seems he's afraid to make calls that put the team in best situation to win. Go Figure. FRUSTRATED!!
Posted 08:58 PM, 11/12/2008
rbm7528
BTW the crowd was clearly booing biden, they did it twice. I was there...
Posted 09:30 PM, 11/12/2008
FloridaPhillyFan
Another horrible challenge Flag.Another atrocious play call with the game on the line.Another beat down in prime time.The steady decline of the Eagles continues.But that's ok,they have 2 number 1 draft picks to trade away next year.
Posted 10:18 PM, 11/12/2008
momzer
Only when the fans don't come to the LINC and Lurie's pockets are no longer lined with $$, will he begin to understand Philly mentality. He is from Boston and does not know any better. Let's teach him that to get fan support, you need to bring in a winner, not just mo money for the owner. Get rid of REID now.
Posted 10:50 PM, 11/12/2008
ILUVPHILLYCITYOFLOSERS
Overall, I still favor the blame-it-on-Donovan scenario: reporters historically sympathetic to management favored by postseason not-for-attribution whispers about how, you know, film review showed the team would actually have won this game or that game if McNabb weren't so erratic, it wasn't really that the team or the playcalling weren't good enough, you see. whu...whu...whuuuttt??????? Les you are not good..you are one of those whatever you were saying.....i told youin the preseason that this team could beimproved but they don't feelthat way.... great grasp of football and the language
Posted 10:51 PM, 11/12/2008
ILUVPHILLYCITYOFLOSERS
sorry ILUVPHILLYCITYOFWINNERS!!!!
Posted 11:47 PM, 11/12/2008
battman21
So just now you can see what so many sports outsiders recognized years ago -- Andy doesn't have it. You're very much like the Eagles brass yourself.
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Posted 07:28 AM, 11/13/2008
JamesJ
This reminds me of the Joe Kuharich, Norm Snead days
Posted 07:31 AM, 11/13/2008
JamesJ
PS...McNabb is a pretty good QB...he is NOT a great QB
Posted 10:04 AM, 11/13/2008
chgtown
Is Andy Reid making these personnel decisions alone. He needs someone looking over his shoulder or a new team needs to evaluate talent.
Posted 03:05 PM, 11/13/2008
brightmoments99
It appears to me that the Eagles have assumed the "tone" that McNabb has, and I think McNabb got it from Reid...lack of emotion, they seem to mostly be flat...it's all a day at the office to them. Perhaps if their paychecks were tied directly to their own performance, as well as the team's performance, we might see some fire.
Posted 04:06 PM, 11/13/2008
komplex2005
Im sick of people blaming McNabb. If you look at his stats, he ranks in the top ten for QB's in the NFL. True he makes his mistakes, but I will gamble with him each time. One thing is evident, the Eagles need a power running game.. bottom line. The Giants made that apparent. I love westbrook but he needs someone behind him that could pick up additional yards when they need the short gains. A deep threat at wideout (maybe) they actually have a core group that could get the job done. Another concern is the pathetic and predictable playcalling by AR. Again a great coach, he just makes some poor decisions and gives some cryptic and esoteric responses during the press conferences. I suggest that AR allows marty to call the plays and I guarantee the Eagles will put up some wins.
Posted 05:13 PM, 11/13/2008
jman
Les, the worst-case scenario would be for the team to win enough games to get to .500 or make the wildcard. (They will surely lose to the teams with a better record.) Reid and the know-nothings in the FO will see this as a promising sign, and it will get us another year of the status quo. ... I agree with your premise that Reid & Banner will leak displeasure with McNabb (probably using the puppet .. er, Spadaro) to the media, and another scapegoat will preserve Andy's reign of comfort.
Posted 05:17 PM, 11/13/2008
jman
The bottom line is, Lurie will only make a change for financial reasons, not for win/loss reasons. (The same as when the Phillies replaced Wade. Years of ineptitude didn't cost Wade his job, only when ticket sales dropped.)
Posted 03:45 AM, 11/14/2008
jeffmacnow1234
I can't believe the idiocy of the Philadelphia fans is now spreading to the media. Firing Reid, who has averaged 10.5 wins per season as Eagles Head Coach, would be one of the dumbest all-time moves in Philadelphia sports history. Luckily, the people who count, Mr. Lurie and Mr. Banner, as well as the relevant go to guys in the Philly media, Rich Hoffman, Sam Donnellon, Phil Sheridan, and Howard Eskin, understand how dumb of a move it would be as well as how Philadelphia fans continue to embarrass themselves nationally.
Posted 09:45 AM, 11/14/2008
smurf
Banner need to go too. His cap management method of duping young players into signing early, ill-advised, long-term contract only sews discontent. The Eagles can afford to make deals that are fair to both parties (if they want to).
Posted 01:33 PM, 11/14/2008
OMIGODEAGLES
How are Philly fans idiots for wanting Reid fired? He is the Mary Schottenheimer/Marv Levy of the 21st century. The guy averages 10.5 wins a season, really, wow. What happened? Did he completely forget how to coach? He wanted the power to make personnel decisions and coach at the same time. He got them and with them came greater responsibility. He hasn't done anything since 2004. They were headed down the tubes in 2006 and got lucky with Garcia, who he ultimately let leave last year anyway despite having a still visibly injured QB in recovery on the field. In 2005, McNabb had the sports hernia injury and Reid actually had him throw the ball more!! Same with last year. His personnel decisions have been abysmal. Several of the Eagle greats from those the NFC Championship teams (Dawkins, Trotter, Douglas, Tra Thomas, Troy Vincent, Bobby Tayor, Duce Staley, Jermaine Mayberry, Chad Lewis) weren't even players he drafted or signed. The guy is lost. He can't draft. He can't sign free agents. He can't gameplan. Period.
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Les BowenLes Bowen has covered the Eagles for the Daily News since 2002. Before that, he spent nearly 13 years covering the Flyers. It took Les only a few seasons after the switch to figure out that there was no penalty box at the Linc, and that the time really wasn't his, despite what Andy Reid kept saying. Les came to Philadelphia and the Daily News from Charlotte in 1983. In the intervening years, he has pretty much lost track of NASCAR, and his accent. He, his wife Barbara, and their two sons live in Haddon Township, New Jersey.

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