Posted: Thursday, November 6, 2008, 3:43 PM | 76 comments |
 
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UPDATE: 7:32 p.m.

I'll preface the ensuing note with a warning: don't be alarmed. Jamie Moyer and Pat Burrell both filed for free agency with the MLBPA this afternoon. That doesn't mean one or both are leaving, or that even one or both will wind up testing the waters. It's just a procedural thing that all free agents do. But it is worth noting. So consider it noted.

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The final meeting of the minds has ended here at the GM meetings in Dana Point. Ruben Amaro, Jr. just left the St. Regis Monarch Beach resort en route to a 12:30 p.m. flight back to Philly. We have lots of good stuff to delve into today, starting with the Phillies' future attempts at re-signing two of their arbitration-eligible players who will be free agents after next season.

Common sense tells you that this would be a good time to lock up outfielder Jayson Werth and reliever Ryan Madson. Both players are coming off career years (Werth moreso than Madson; Madson had better numbers in his first full season in the bigs). Both players will be free agents after the 2009 season. And the Phillies view both players as part of their future.

I wasn't able to get in touch with Werth's agent, but I talked to Scott Boras yesterday about Ryan Madson. I came away with the impression that it will be tough to get a deal done (which isn't a surprise, given Boras' reputation). For starters, Boras compared Madson's performance this season to the performance by Mariano Rivera in 1996, when he was the set-up man for Yankees closer John Wetteland. Granted, Boras is going to pump his client up as much as possible. Here are their respective numbers

Postseason (Rivera -1996, Madson -2008)

  1. Games: Rivera 8, Madson 10
  2. Innings: Rivera 13, Madson 12 2/3
  3. Runs: Rivera 1, Madson 3
  4. Hits: Rivera 10, Madson 10
  5. Strikeouts: Rivera 10, Madson 12
  6. Walks: Rivera 5, Madson 1
  7. Holds: Rivera 4, Madson 5

Regular season

  1. Games: Rivera 61, Madson 76
  2. Innings: Rivera 107 2/3, Madson 82 2/3
  3. ERA: Rivera 2.09, Madson 3.05
  4. Hits: Rivera 73, Madson 79
  5. Strikeouts: Rivera 130, Madson 67
  6. Walks: Rivera 34, Madson 23
  7. Wins: Rivera 8, Madson 4
  8. Home runs: Rivera 1, Madson 6

Obviously, if Boras and Madson think he will be able to duplicate his success from September through October this season for all of 2009, it will make more sense for them to either go to arbitration or settle on a one-year deal, then hit free agency. But if Madson, who had shoulder problems late in 2007 and early in 2008, decides some immediate security outweighs a potentially huge pay-day next offseason, a deal could get done.

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Troy Renck of the Denver Post talked to various executives about a potential deal for Rockies outfielder Matt Holliday. And the majority opinion held the Phillies to be one of the teams most likely to land the star. I'm sure the Phillies have inquired and will continue to explore the situation.

The one caveat often mentioned with Holliday is the gross disparity between his numbers at home and his numbers on the road. In 359 games at Coors Field, he has hit .357 with a .423 OBP and a .645 SLG. On the road, those numbers are .280/.348/.455. He averages one home run every 16.1 at-bats at home compared to one home run every 29.6 at-bats on the road.

That said, in 14 games at Citizens Bank Park, he has hit .283/.356/.547 while averaging a home run every 13.25 at-bats.

So the home/road issue might not be as big for the Phillies as it is for some other teams.

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For what it is worth, the Giants beat writer for the San Jose Mercury News wrote on his blog that he hears that the Phillies are willing to listen to offers for Jimmy Rollins. I wouldn't put too much stock in that. While the Phillies might listen, they have tremendous value in Rollins, who is a Gold Glove short stop and is locked in to a five-year, $40 million contract that looks tremendously economical given how he has performed since signing it in 2005.

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Speaking of middle infielders, Jason Donald's stock has soared in the last year. He is currently tearing up the Arizona Fall League, which comes on the heels of a dynamite performance at Double A Reading this season (.307, 14 home runs) and a spring training game in which he hit two home runs against the Blue Jays.

The Phillies have been playing him some at third base in the AFL, and I'd lood for him to get more time there next season in the minors. Pedro Feliz is signed through next season. If Donald continues to perform, he could be an option there for 2010.

Posted by David Murphy @ 3:43 PM  Permalink | 76 comments
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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:36 PM, 11/06/2008
    why not bring up Donald to be the backup to Rollins and Utley and rest them alittle more often for the season? He can then work his way into 3rd base throughout the year too.
    Barndog
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:58 PM, 11/06/2008
    With the need for a righthanded bat with pop how can they keep Donald at AAA next year. He hit two homers in the Grapefruit League, 14 in the EL, 1 in the Olympics and 3 in the AFL. This guy in about 125 games so far this year has hit 20 home runs. He reminds me of the time when they could not find a spot for Ryan Howard. It took Pat Gillick a couple of weeks after taking over to figure it out. Donald is Ruben's Ryan Howard. Let's see what he can do to get this guy to the show in 09.
    Dull
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:26 PM, 11/06/2008
    expect Donald to be gone before teh season begins. Why? Because we need a LF and not an infielder. He would be the obvious center peice for a package to bring that 30/90 LF to town. You don't groom someone to play a new posistion by having them sit on the bench behind two all stars.
    jeff gross
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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:01 PM, 11/06/2008
    that comment about Rollins is flat out disturbing...if it were even true that they were listening to offers for him, they would alienate 1/2 the phils fans in this city. i mean c'mon
    cheesesteak17
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:08 PM, 11/06/2008
    Dont get Holliday, we will have trade the Rockies a lot of pieces and have him only for a year and hope we can sign him to a long term deal. Not worth it.
    pdditty
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:09 PM, 11/06/2008
    Manny Ramirez
    bluehaha
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:14 PM, 11/06/2008
    I would not be alienated if they entertained offers for Rollins - I think if a deal makes sense to improve the team, you have to entertain offers. There are only a handful of players who should be off the table, and at this point in his career, Rollins isn't one of them.
    Gary Varsho
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:17 PM, 11/06/2008
    What type of arm and range does Donald have? All i read and hear about is his bat.
    mjriley26
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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:22 PM, 11/06/2008
    Lincecum for Rollins? I think you overvalue Rollins.
    Gary Varsho
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:22 PM, 11/06/2008
    I wonder what it would take to pry Zimmerman from the nats? If they could pull off that coup, I would be content to have a Jenkins/Stairs/Dobbs type LF situation
    efrye13
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:23 PM, 11/06/2008
    let me start by saying i don't want to trade rollins. he's the leader this team has been begging for since the lieby/rolen/abreu days of good but not good enough. having said that, the farm system is a little barren right now. and if the phillies are on the hook for as much $$$ as zolecki illustrated yesterday, don't they have to move a regular? and if donald can play, think about what rollins might be able to nab you in return? again, i don't want to do it. i think they would miss him in more ways than most players if he left. but they are in a spot here where either the budget is going way up, or someone has to go.
    goawayfavre
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:24 PM, 11/06/2008
    They are not going trade Rollins and probably wont get Holliday. Although the Phillies and A's are the 2 teams I keep hearing he would be moved to. Remember we nearly had him during the season and to have a lineup like that would almost be an automatic playoff berth.
    Prego614
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:28 PM, 11/06/2008
    There is a huge gap between trading someone and "willing to listen to offers" for someone. Actually, I'd be angrier if the Phillies refused to talk to anyone about one of their players. Dave already reported that the Phillies are exploring some potential trades, so who's to say some GM didn't say, "yeah, we're interested in trading Peavy, but you'd have to give us J-Roll for him"...Listen, I love J-Roll as much as anyone else in this town, but if some idiot GM (i.e., Ed Wade) was willing to give up all his superstars, a couple of draft picks, and some top prospects, I'd drive him to the airport.
    Captain Awesome


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About David Murphy
David Murphy joined the Daily News as its Phillies beat writer in February of 2008. Born in Upper Merion and raised in the Poconos, he attended college at La Salle University before taking jobs with the Myrtle Beach (S.C.) Sun-News and the St. Petersburg ( Fla. ) Times. E-mail Dave at dmurphy@phillynews.com.

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