Inside Charlie's Head: Manuel likely to turn to Hamels

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NEW YORK - Charlie Manuel made a gaggle of reporters chuckle yesterday when he used the expressions "Manny being Manny" and "Brett being Brett" in the same sentence.

He was talking about his former Cleveland Indians hitting pupil Manny Ramirez and his current Phillies wise guy, Brett Myers.

Cole Hamels reacts during the Game 3 loss. Charlie Manuel says he never questioned Hamels´ mental toughness.
RON CORTES / Staff Photographer
Cole Hamels reacts during the Game 3 loss. Charlie Manuel says he never questioned Hamels' mental toughness.

Ramirez's famous flakiness is dismissed as Manny being Manny. Manuel co-opted the phrase and pinned it on Myers after the pitcher made headlines with his sharp tongue yesterday morning. By the end of the day, Myers and Cole Hamels, the target of said sharp tongue, had laughed off their well-publicized bit of locker-room byplay and made plans to dine together in Manhattan.

Boys being boys. Brett being Brett.

Charlie being Charlie.

Is there such a thing?

You bet there is. And if things go well for the Phillies in Game 6 of the World Series tonight at Yankee Stadium, you're probably going to see Charlie being Charlie in action, right there under the bright lights of the Bronx in Game 7.

What is Charlie being Charlie? It is loyalty. It is sticking with people. It is never giving up on the folks who've made you look good in the past. It is having a feel that they are ready to deliver.

Manuel's successful use of tortured closer Brad Lidge in the first two rounds of this postseason are a good example of Charlie being Charlie.

Game 7 - if there is one - will likely provide another example.

Manuel would not name a starting pitcher for that game, and that was not surprising considering the team's back-to-the-wall status and his unwavering personal commitment to the one-game-at-a-time ideal. But if this thing comes down to Game 7 tomorrow night, you can bet your entire bag of Halloween candy that Hamels will get the start.

The same Hamels who has struggled mightily, recording a 7.58 ERA in four starts, this postseason.

The same Hamels who so many folks are saying should be sent home for the winter.

After much bobbing and weaving in a news conference yesterday, Manuel tipped his hand: He's leaning toward Hamels if there's a Game 7.

"When we sit down and measure out everything and talk it over - more than likely that might be exactly what we're going to do," he said.

Manuel is right for thinking this way.

Despite all the drama surrounding Hamels, his stuff, his lack of a consistent - and that's an important word - third pitch, his recent results and his mind-set, he remains the best option to start a possible Game 7.

Pedro Martinez, who will be entrusted with delivering a seventh game tonight, is out of the question. Joe Blanton would be on short rest. J.A. Happ would be on too much rest. He has pitched just 7 1/3 innings since the start of October. It would be too risky to believe he has the sharpness to succeed against the most powerful lineup in baseball.

Cliff Lee, who pitched into the eighth inning in Game 5 on Monday night, could probably give Manuel an inning or two, but if that's all you're going to get, why not try to use him to protect a lead, if the Phils can get one against CC Sabathia?

The most viable Game 7 starter, the pitcher with the best chance of succeeding, is Hamels. Yeah, he's been inconsistent all season. Yeah, his arm is ready for a break. (Has been for a while.) But he's got the talent to succeed one more time. And before you say he lacks heart or guts, remember how many dreams he made come true last October?

Hamels kept the Yankees' lineup off balance for three innings in Game 3. He did it with just fastballs and change-ups. If adrenaline gives him some extra gas and Game 7 intensity some extra focus and fastball command, that change-up could be awesome.

The lack of a consistently sharp and well-located third pitch (curveball) has hurt Hamels in the middle innings. But that's not to say he doesn't have a good one. If he uses it early enough and gets a feel for it, he might have a third pitch with which to keep the Yankees honest. If he doesn't, a fastball-change-up mix might be enough to get the Phils three or four innings before it becomes all-hands-on-deck time.

Hamels' heart has been questioned over a comment he made after Game 3. Basically he said he was ready for his personal struggles to be over and would welcome a fresh start. The comment he made before that, the one about wanting the ball for Game 7 and ending the season with a good feeling, was conveniently ignored.

All this has created another reason for Hamels to get the ball in Game 7: He might be pretty good with a little sneer, a little anger, the feeling that he has something to prove.

"He came in and talked to me [Monday] night," Manuel said. "We talked about some of the things that were said, and I felt good about it, really. I want you to listen to this: I never, ever questioned his mental toughness because he's just as tough as anybody on our team. There's definitely no quit in him. He's had a freakish year and he's going through a bad time, but he'll get through it, and he'll be the pitcher that you saw last year."

Look for Manuel to give Hamels the ball if there's a Game 7. That's textbook Charlie being Charlie.

And if it comes to pass, some Cole being Cole (2008 version) would serve this team well.

 


Contact staff writer Jim Salisbury at 215-854-4983 or jsalisbury@phillynews.com.

 

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Posted 04:21 AM, 11/04/2009
JimG
It's pretty bad that Hamels' comments have been totally taken out of context. I was mad when I first heard them too, but then I see that he was answering a hypothetical question about what his feelings would be if there was no Game 7 and he didn't have another start this year. Stupid question to answer, you don't ever talk about hypothetical questions regarding later games in the series, until you get there. But, it's not like he just came into a press conference and said I can't wait to be done with the season. His comments have been badly twisted by the media.
Posted 07:12 AM, 11/04/2009
He had high apple pie in the sky hopes.
But i already ate my entire bag of Halloween candy.
Posted 07:33 AM, 11/04/2009
ZOSO
NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
Posted 07:36 AM, 11/04/2009
Kevin O.
Depends on tonights game, if Pedro goes the distance or gives us 7 strong innings and the releivers finish it off, I think Happ will get the start in game seven on a short leash.
Posted 07:47 AM, 11/04/2009
DickAllen4HOF
No, No, No J.A. Happ is the best option. Before Cliff Lee, Happ was the Phillies best pitcher. He is also the most probable to pitch a complete game and keep the bullpen from being a factor.
Posted 07:52 AM, 11/04/2009
jtj06
Happ is the best bet.
Posted 08:13 AM, 11/04/2009
iladelph
I think Charlie's loyalty is going to play a factor WHEN game 7 comes around. Hamels will pitch on the short leash with Happ ready and waiting. Also, we can expect maybe 2 innings from Clifton if the situation calls for it.
Posted 08:32 AM, 11/04/2009
kjuggs77
I say go with Lee with Happ on standby... Manuel, known for being a players' manager, is notorious for sticking with guys who in all reality, should be sitting down for a spell, just like Lidge. I wish Myers would be able to go- I love his game and tenacity on the field. Happ might be the best bet because I don't think the Yanks have seen him yet...
Posted 08:32 AM, 11/04/2009
BosoxJohnny
Charlie is an absolute idiot. This team continues to win in spite of him, not because of him. You have a guy in your bullpen, JA Happ, who has been LIGHTS OUT all season long, and you have a prima donna, pretty boy starter, who does nothing but whine and complain, and who hasn't gotten anybody out for as long as anyone can remember. Somehow it makes more sense to put the whiney cranky inconsistent pitcher in there, than it does to put the Rookie of the Year out there. I will never be able to understand the decision to put Charlie Manuel in charge of this team, no matter how many titles they win.
Posted 09:16 AM, 11/04/2009
steveku2
IF there's a Game 7, Hamels should start. At this point he's more than capable of three good innings before he starts to lose his composure. Starting with the 4th inning, bring in Happ and give the Yankees a diffeent look. Who knows, Happ is probably capable of pitching innings 4-9 effectively. Heaven help us if we go into the bottom of the 9th inning with a 2 or 1 run lead and Charlie calls on the bullpen. I don't want to re-live the Joe Carter nightmare.
Posted 10:14 AM, 11/04/2009
Apollo Creed
Happ should not start.. 1) he hasn't thrown enough in the playoffs 2) when he has pitch it wasn't anything to write home about 3) faced the yanks for 1 inning and gave up a homerun. Anyway u look at it hamels is probably our most talented pitcher although not this postseason which wouldn't be as bad if a couple things fell his way. He was dealing against the dodgers and a costly error put him in a hole then a bomb from manny.. He was dealing in game 3 vs yanks brought a no hitter into the top of the 4th.. Aweful call by the ump puts Tex on base and boom arod hits a questionable homerun off hamels.. This is actually the first hit arod recorded offf hamels and he's actually been very good against them as a team as awhole.. I say start lee see how he's throwing and bring in hamels or stet hamels see how far he can go.. Brung in lee and happ to close it out.. If we make it game 7 u mostlikely will see hamels start.. Because he is the best option..
Posted 10:26 AM, 11/04/2009
secon
Loyalty is great but how about some pragmatic thinking.Wasn't Fregosi being loyal to Mitch Williams when he let him pitch to Joe Carter with his arm falling off?How did that work out?
Posted 10:34 AM, 11/04/2009
joeolive
DA4HOF: Happ pitch a complete game?!?!?! Are you kidding me?? A complete game?? When was the last time he pitched 5 innings?? Sadly, the only option IS Cole. Cole for 3 or 4, Happ for 2 or 3, Lee for 1 or 2. Maybe toss in Blanton for an inning in between there to switch up the from all lefties. Go Phillies!!
Posted 10:44 AM, 11/04/2009
Relocator
Happ is our best option. Let's get there first.
Posted 11:16 AM, 11/04/2009
jakster
I agree with JoeO......go with Cole and a pitcher by committee. SHOULD they get to game 7. You have to start Cole because the Bankees would love to see the rookie on the mound. That plus Happ has not had enough work to keep the Bankees off balance and as Lee proved that is the key to beating them.
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