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Mandatory 2-year prison term proposed for illegal firearm users in Phila.

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  • A new bill will add a two-year prison term on anyone caught with an illegal firearm, but only in Philadelphia.
  • Legislators are working to get the bill to Gov. Corbett's desk as soon as possible.
  • The bill targets only those who buy or possess guns illegally.
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  • On a day when Connecticut and Maryland legislators ushered in historic new gun laws, a bipartisan lineup of Pennsylvania legislators and law enforcement officials put forth a bill that would slap an added mandatory two-year prison term on anyone caught with an illegal firearm - but only in Philadelphia.

    "This is not about gun control," Philadelphia District Attorney Seth Williams said Thursday, flanked by politicians and officials from the city and suburbs. "People who carry guns illegally are the people who are shooting people, murdering people, pistol-whipping people, threatening witnesses. . . . We need a game-changer here in Philadelphia."

    Democratic State Sen. Larry Farnese, who cosponsored the bill with Republican Rep. John Taylor, said the city that both men represent is in the throes of "an epidemic of gun violence" and that law enforcement agencies have long requested stricter gun laws.

    "No more BS," Farnese said. "No more screwing around. . . . This has to happen."

    Taylor described the bill as "a crime-fighting tool" and said he and Farnese would work to get it to Gov. Corbett's desk as soon as possible.

    Two suburban Republican district attorneys, Montgomery County's Risa Vetri Ferman and Delaware County's John Whelan, both supported the bill, saying that criminals arrested in their counties often committed earlier gun crimes in Philadelphia.

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    "I have no doubt that a safer Philadelphia is a safer Delaware County," Whelan said.

    State Sen. Stewart Greenleaf, Republican chairman of the judiciary committee, said Thursday that he supports the idea of increasing the grading of the crime from a misdemeanor to a third-degree felony, but has concerns about the application of mandatory minimums.

    "We need to do something about the issue of violent crime in Philadelphia," said Greenleaf, whose committee will review the bill. "But generally, I don't support mandatory minimum sentences, because they are difficult to apply. You can have an egregious straw purchaser with 20 guns sales on the one hand, or someone whose license to carry has expired and is otherwise an upstanding citizen getting the mandatory minimum."

    Williams said Thursday that the bill targets only those who buy or possess guns illegally.

    The backdrop for the announcement was the headquarters of the Philadelphia Police Department, which last year arrested about 1,000 people for illegal gun possession. Eighty-five percent of Philadelphia's 331 homicides last year were committed with guns, Williams said, and not one of those firearms was obtained legally.

    In light of those facts, the Democratic district attorney said, the bill should not be considered controversial.

    Indeed - the proposal outlined Thursday is markedly less far-reaching than the gun law Connecticut Gov. Dannel P. Malloy signed Thursday, which tightens restrictions on assault weapons and requires universal background checks for every gun purchase. The bill was that state's response to the December elementary-school shooting in Newtown, a massacre that prompted a national discussion about gun laws.

    Legislators in Maryland, meanwhile, passed a bill that would ban the sale of assault-type weapons, set a limit on ammunition magazines, and require fingerprints and a license to buy a handgun.

    And in Colorado, the site of two of the worst mass shootings in the nation's history, lawmakers recently passed a bill requiring background checks for all purchases, as well as one that limits the size of magazines. This week President Obama visited the state to highlight its laws, describing Colorado's efforts as proof that "there doesn't have to be a conflict between protecting our citizens and protecting our Second Amendment rights."

    Pennsylvania, with its thousands of licensed hunters, has long been one of the most pro-gun states in the east, with strong National Rifle Association membership and GOP majorities in both chambers of the legislature that take seriously their NRA ratings. In the vast western territory outside the urban and suburban parts of the state, politicians in both parties have historically opposed gun control.

    But in the post-Newtown world there have been signs of a gradual shift, including a recent Franklin and Marshall College poll that found 43 percent of registered Pennsylvania voters favor enacting more laws to regulate gun ownership.

    Shira Goodman, executive director of CeaseFirePA, which lobbies for tougher gun limits, said she was optimistic about the chances that the Philadelphia bill will be passed.

    "It would be hard for people to be against this," she said.

    Even so, state House Majority leader Mike Turzai (R., Allegheny) said Thursday through a spokesman that he feels Pennsylvania's existing gun laws are working.

    "Looking at statistics from Pennsylvania State Police data, while there has been a steady increase in gun ownership, there has been a steady decrease in violent crime," said his spokesman, Steve Miskin.

    The NRA's Pennsylvania lobbyist, John Hohenwarter, said he has not yet reviewed the bill, but said he thought gun laws should be consistent throughout the state. He also voiced concerns about innocent gun owners being targeted.

    "The NRA has consistently supported measures that target criminals," he said. "However, we don't want to unintentionally throw the same net over law-abiding citizens."

    Goodman said she hopes the proposed Philadelphia bill will open the door for similar laws to be sought in other cities, as well as for broader changes in state law.

    "Harrisburg has to take some action on behalf of the communities they represent," she said, "and we can use this as a starting point. It cannot remain OK to do nothing."

     


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    Comments  (75)
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:00 PM, 04/05/2013
      Seth-Stop impersonating a public servant,you and your office are disasters.
      aguckin
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:03 PM, 04/05/2013
      seriously Prof, I normal agree with a portion of what you say but there is nothing with this law, its a good idea, it may not reduce crime but it will make sure that those who are caught go away longer.
      Iknowyourider
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:01 PM, 04/05/2013
      These are the same democratic reps who whine to their colleagues in Harrisburg that they need more gun control because they can't afford to prosecute the laws already on the books. They say that with mandatory prison terms, more cases would go to trial, so the firearm charges are pleaded away. How would this law fix anything?
      commonsensedude
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:58 PM, 04/05/2013
      So to summarize, the liberal Democrats who forever whine that we spend too much on prisons and not enough on education want to throw more people in prison for longer periods of time. Logic isn't their strong suit.
      b,ill a,tkins
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:11 PM, 04/05/2013
      It seems to me the Inky did a series not all that long ago, that exposing how infrequently laws adding stiffer sentences for crimes involving guns were enforced.
      Dzicy
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:08 PM, 04/05/2013
      UNREAL AGAIN!!! its not the damn guns its the PEOPLE!!!!! u need idiot control not gun control!!! they really think these bullcrap laws are going to do anything?!?!?!? The wonderful president just loves to keep violating our constitution (the thing hes in office to protect) with these nonsense laws....I am a pround NRA member and gun carrier/owner and that will NEVER EVER change no matter what!! i will never take the chance of becoming a victim....so everyone that wants to support these so called laws good for u but in my opinion they are bullcrap they wont help in any way!!
      antd1219
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:39 PM, 04/05/2013
      I see no problem with this law. If you have an illegal gun then you are committing a crime. And 2 years works for me even though 5 years would be better.
      doctorhim
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:13 PM, 04/05/2013
      @wally. what truth? ranting aint truth. yeah, i'm on the dole...in your mind, we all are. sorry, i had enuf of the drivel. have a nice day. and clean that sheet.
      black dog
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:09 PM, 04/05/2013
      So why do we want to ban legal ownership of certain weapons again?
      rmg154
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:01 PM, 04/05/2013
      @wally - i'm sure we all are in your warped mind. is that the best you got? sorry not interested. tired racist drivel is boring. have a nice day. i am not here to entertain you.
      black dog
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:43 AM, 04/05/2013
      @black dog you on the goverment gravy boat??? Truth hurts dont it?
      wallycleaver
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:21 AM, 04/05/2013
      @WALLY you sound like you are just ranting and hoping for a reponse. this is the best i have for such an inane post.
      black dog
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:15 AM, 04/05/2013
      Load up the jails with more people. Yahoo.
      jasjfarrell
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:14 AM, 04/05/2013
      It won't mean squat. Philly judges already disregard the mandatory 5 year prison sentence for felonies committed using a gun. They simply dismiss the gun charges. What a joke!
      Smokey
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:10 AM, 04/05/2013
      This is a great law! However since most times the gun charges get dropped anyway, how will this even prevent gun violence or take criminals who use guns in crimes off the street?
      @professor--We have so many existing laws that don't get enforced so lets tack on another one that is essentially useless because most gun charges get dropped anyway. Let's have a minimum sentence for a charge that gets dropped. As long as they keep the gun charges, they can impose the maximum. But they have to keep that gun charge in the first place. Gotta love politicians--perfecting the art of doing nothing by appearing to do something.
      ena1977
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:01 AM, 04/05/2013
      Example.
      p_abraldes
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:54 AM, 04/05/2013
      Why dont we get to the real problem here, the lazy irresponsible welfare class!!! No family structure whatsoever, women with multiple kids from multiple absent fathers, oh i mean baby daddy, they dont call them fathers, the welfare class sleeps til noon everyday, and have no ambition whatsover about getting a job or thinking about a career, even though they are given the opportunity to get all kinds of programs FREE!!!!! The children of the welfare class HAVE NO GUIDANCE FROM PARENTS THEIR ENTIRE LIFE!!!By the time they reach 13 years old the males have found a family on the street ( the criminal element) where they can make money by selling drugs or committing crimes, the females reach 13 and end up pregnant and then they go on welfare, food stamps, WIC and the cycle continues!! WHEN YOU ARE GIVEN EVERYTHING IN LIFE SINCE INCEPTION FOR FREE, AND NO FAMILY UNIT TO GUIDE YOU, IN LIFE YOU TURN OUT A CLASS OF PEOPLE WHO CARE NOTHING ABOUT ANYTHING BUT THEMSELVES, INCLUDING SOMEONES LIFE!!! These politicians want to give mandatory sentences but unknown to most people in this city, state and country, these same politicians release prisoners EVERYDAY before they have served their minimum sentences!! Bunch of FRIGGIN HYPOCRITES!!! LOOK NO FURTHER THAN MAYOR McNUTTBAG AND HIS HIS PRISONER RELEASING CZARS GILLISON AND JUNOD!!! Think about it, they are releasing convicted violent prisoners before they serve their sentence back into our neighborhoods in Philly, and what do you think they do? They go back to their criminal behavior because thats all they know, its their career,THE WELFARE CLASS!!! CREEPS
      wallycleaver
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:05 AM, 04/05/2013
      To the hard working tax paying people of Philly, how would you like to get everything free?? Have no monthly bill except for your I-Phone, that means you dont pay for the home you live in, the electric that runs your house, the gas or oil that runs your furnace, the clothes on your back, the water you bathe in, the food on your table, the health insurance co-pays that come out of your pocket, no worry about paying the cost of raising children ETC ETC ETC This is what these hypocritical politicians expand every year, The welfare class totally depedent on us THE TAX PAYING CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY!!!
      wallycleaver
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:53 AM, 04/05/2013
      The laws on the books currently produce a longer prison term for illegally possesing a gun, but you have democratic politicians that picked the liberal judges and they do not enforce the current laws. No new laws are needed, enforcement of the current laws is what is needed.
      dcn
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:50 AM, 04/05/2013
      This isn't a gun law NRA idiots. It's a sentencing guideline for existing laws.
      Gradhospital
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:52 AM, 04/05/2013
      Actually its not. Its a mandatory minimum and a proposed city ordinance, and me as an NRA supporter, am ok with.

      The problem is there is ALREADY a law on the books for this which carries up to a 7 yr max.

      Enjoy:

      § 6106. Firearms not to be carried without a license.
      (a) Offense defined.--
      (1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), any person who carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a felony of the third degree. (up to seven year sentence)
      Professor1982
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:46 AM, 04/05/2013
      It's should be illegal for Mr. Williams to be the D.A.
      victim35
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:44 AM, 04/05/2013
      Why dont we get to the real problem here, the lazy irresponsible welfare class!!! No family structure whatsoever, women with multiple kids from multiple absent fathers, oh i mean baby daddy, they dont call them fathers, the welfare class sleeps til noon everyday, and have no ambition whatsover about getting a job or thinking about a career, even though they are given the opportunity to get all kinds of programs FREE!!!!! The children of the welfare class HAVE NO GUIDANCE FROM PARENTS THEIR ENTIRE LIFE!!!By the time they reach 13 years old the males have found a family on the street ( the criminal element) where they can make money by selling drugs or committing crimes, the females reach 13 and end up pregnant and then they go on welfare, food stamps, WIC and the cycle continues!! W
      wallycleaver
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:28 AM, 04/05/2013
      To me, this is a "common sense" gun law.
      LouDiamondPhillipsheadScrewdriver
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:25 AM, 04/05/2013
      Just wondering. When the Philly police start scooping up only black youth for carring these illegal guns and handing out these two sentences. How loud the scream of institutional racism will be? This is what the black community wants?
      teksys
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:52 AM, 04/05/2013
      Seth, did you think this through? You are the only African American supporting this proposed new law. If you want to be reelected try and stay out of issues where you are a "minority". Try to continue your "invisable" service, staying out of the limelight. Bob Brady and the Big Democratic Machine will get you four more years. Don't make waves!
      tlee
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:45 AM, 04/05/2013
      Woo, big tough guy Williams. Ask the "paper tiger" why his office deals so many plea bargains and allows felons to run the streets at will. This city is a haven for criminals and murderers.
      dogman5
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:45 AM, 04/05/2013
      Now this law sounds Racist to me. Why only Philly?
      jbetty01
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:35 AM, 04/05/2013
      Here they go again, the Democrats, serving up pancakes to hide problems!
      Another feel good pancake to cover up the problem, make things worse and avoid the real problem; to let the problem fester under the pile of pancakes.
      How about Stop and Frisk!
      How about calling off your lapdogs the ACLU and boldly declaring that the civil rights of everyone, especially the right to live safely of all the good people who live in bad neighborhoods, are far more important than the rights of criminals?
      And how about getting serious about legalizing and then monitoring all the illegal drugs which are the cause of 90% of all murders?
      Why are Democrats so afraid of doing the right thing?
      Why do they love hiding problems with pancakes so much?

      Regarding these ideas for automatic sentencing, please look at all the very sad, inappropriate and tragic sentences caused by the "three strikes and you are out" law....which sounded so righteous, too, when it passed.

      GAC
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:11 AM, 04/05/2013
      Why only in Philadelphia? Crime is everwhere. As others have said this is not a gun control initiative. Thank god common sense has arrive. Punish the criminals not the law abiding. I favor lengthy jail time for any criminal use of a firearm or possession by a convicted felon and I adamantly oppose prohibitions on the legal ownership and possession of firearms by law abiding citizens. And you know what I'm right.
      Dzicy
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:09 AM, 04/05/2013
      i guess the nuts will have a problem with this one too. the MANDATORY part is the key. of course it won't PREVENT someone for carrying an illegal gun UNTIL they get caught. THEN they will get two years AWAY from guns.
      black dog
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:04 AM, 04/05/2013
      Teenagers-late 20s are the most dangerous of our population. They are cocky, fearless and foolish. Politicians and 'law-makers' refuse to target the real problem. They prefer to do what makes them look tough on crime and other problems. B.S. rules the land and if you call it out, you are either fired, ridiculed or ruined. Alcohol is legal yet teenagers smoke weed and have handguns. No mention of this. Outlaw alcohol and you'd see a huge increase in this age bracket consuming alcohol. Happy Friday! Get ready for all the noise and nonsense since it's warming up and nobody in charge does anything until after the fact.
      pbnewcomer267
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:04 AM, 04/05/2013
      A 2 year mandatory sentence? It would do the same if it were 30. Looking at a DA who stands up and mentions that 1,000 people were arrested for illegal possession of a firearm, someone should have asked how many were prosecuted and sentenced for the crime. If he had taken a truth serum, he would have said fewer han two dozen. Unfortunately, Seth Williamd never touches the stuff. Getting truth out of him is hit-or-miss, at best.
      DonQ
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:46 AM, 04/05/2013
      non excidet: I have no problem with this law, but you are living in a fantasy land if you think this law will change anything.
      Jim Wintersteen
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:43 AM, 04/05/2013
      Seems racist that they only target Philadelphia.
      BOOKKA
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:37 AM, 04/05/2013
      Yes, because gun toting criminals in Philly really care about abiding by the law. This is beyond ridiculous. Funny actually.

      And mandatory minimums are equally as ridiculous. Each case is different and it is why we employ judges. Lawmakers should not set sentences....judges should!
      kelprod2-freemarket
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:36 AM, 04/05/2013
      I'm a gun owner and NRA member, and I have no issue with this bill. I don't understand why it should just be limited to Philly, though. Why not the same penalties for criminals anywhere in PA?
      JA_man_1
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:33 AM, 04/05/2013
      Seth Williams would even prosecute KNOWN and ADMITTED thieves like Blondell Reynolds-Brown, or the numerous cops and state workers who stole wages. He is a publicty hound and not much more. This is window dressing and unnecessary. Current law already calls for seven years for carrying an illegal gun. Just get the damn judges to do their job!
      Themonkofmagdalena
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:24 AM, 04/05/2013
      Remember years ago when District Attorney Lynn Abraham boldly announced newly-enacted 5-year minimum sentencing? Automatic 5-year incarceration for any crime involving firearms. No exceptions! This was going to effectively dissuade gun violence in the city. It was later revealed that judges were ignoring the 5-year rule during the sentencing process.
      Disco Dave
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:34 PM, 04/05/2013
      You are absolutely correct. And why did this happen? The elephant in the room. Race. All of a sudden, many young black males were about to get mandatory 5 years sentences. And we all know how that would look.
      Pete Malloy
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:22 AM, 04/05/2013
      """This is not about gun control," Philadelphia District Attorney Seth Williams""

      That is the smartest thing he said all day. You're right Seth, its not about "gun control", its about "people control" and the left wing democratic party's agenda of dis arming Americans.

      Charlie Cheese Steak
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:18 AM, 04/05/2013
      WOW!!! I am sure all the thugs are really afraid of the new law! This is nothing but smoke and mirrors trying to make the general public think that the pols are serious about stopping the gun violence in Philly. Sure makes me feel safer about coming to Philly. Guess from now on I can leave my gun at home when visiting the city. What a big, sick JOKE!
      oneway
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:15 AM, 04/05/2013
      Are not the jails full? Arn't DA's and police officers accross the country being murdered? The bad guys are winning the war and law enforcement is helpless. Mr DA your a BSer whose not in control of the situation. Come back with a real plan!
      johduk
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:07 AM, 04/05/2013
      You've got to be kidding me! Do you hear that? It's the sound of laughter from all the thugz in Philly! No amount of idealistic fairy tale la la laws conjured up by out of touch politicians will deter anyone to buy illegal guns. My tax payer money is wasted yet again!
      OohChildNoPhilly
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:52 AM, 04/05/2013
      It wouldn't be a normal week if Seth Williams wasn't grandstanding instead of actually doing his job. Let's stop pandering to the public's current interest in "new" gun laws and start enforcing the current laws on the books.
      Trident252
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:31 AM, 04/05/2013
      We don't need new new laws, they should just enforce what is already there. Instead they drop weapons charges as a bargaining chip for more information from criminals. Typical behavior from the DA talking out both sides of his mouth.
      jpg5080
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:22 AM, 04/05/2013
      Do Philly residents have less rights than the rest of PA?
      CD75
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:27 AM, 04/05/2013
      Yes.
      Jacob
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:21 AM, 04/05/2013
      A law that targets a specific location only is a bad idea. The whole state or none.
      CD75
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:20 AM, 04/05/2013
      Forward.
      CD75
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:01 AM, 04/05/2013
      No brainier. This law will make Philadelphia a safer place to live and work.
      non excidet
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 6:56 AM, 04/05/2013
      Laws don't matter. The ghetto thugs of this city don't know or care what the laws are. They gonna do what they gonna do regardless.
      #1 With A Bullet
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 6:55 AM, 04/05/2013
      If, according to Ramsay, homicides are down 39% and shootings down 20%, why do we need another gun law?
      blipster
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 6:52 AM, 04/05/2013
      Bet it doesn't survive a constituional equal protection challenge. More "feel good" BS from Farnese and company.
      blipster
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 6:52 AM, 04/05/2013
      I would rather they put the people in jail the first time,seems everybody caught for murder has a long list of priors. This will just cause them to rob more to pay the fine, like the man who shot the security guard and told the judge he needed money for his lawyer.
      callitlikeiseethem
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 6:48 AM, 04/05/2013
      Why only Philadelphia? Plenty of crime in Chester and other places as well.
      DeltaV
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:52 AM, 04/05/2013
      Good point. I'm surprised Whelan went along with a proposed law that did not include Delco. Chester and UD are nothing more than Baby Phillys whether he wants to admit it or not.
      fightins4ever
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 6:35 AM, 04/05/2013
      I am for gun rights if you have the legal right to possess one. This law makes absolute sense....Good job!
      Earl J
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:56 AM, 04/05/2013
      After two years plus, you finally going to do the job you were elected to do?
      DEBBY1958
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:47 AM, 04/05/2013
      In New York City you get a mandatory 2 yr sentence for carrying an unlicensed gun (remember Plaxico Burress) and their crime and homicide rates have plummeted. As for the fears of the legitimate gun owner who just let their license lapse: every DAs office have the ability to ignore the mando if they wish.
      Everybodyhitshooha
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:15 AM, 04/05/2013
      You get a notice in the mail notifying you when your concealed permit is up for renewal. I own plenty of guns. I see absolutely no problem with this law whatsoever. I am also a member of the NRA and also the GOA. This bill is a no-brainer. For one thing: it takes judges off the hook and the blame for lax enforcement of gun laws then shifts squarely to the DA's office. We have people who have visited a judge for sentencing on their 2nd, 3rd, 4th and even 5th VUFA charge. And wind up with ankle bracelet costume jewelry. That's absolutely ridiculous.
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:40 AM, 04/05/2013
      I never got my renewal in the mail as per the law, so if I wasn't a responsible gun owner I could fall victim to mandatory sentences. Also these laws will have no effect if Seth continues to plea bargin with every criminal and they are not prosecuted for the most severe crimes they commit.
      Taxpaying Voter
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:48 AM, 04/05/2013
      Well, I'm not stupid enough to not know when my LTCF expires so I won't be carrying on the street w/o an expired license. The date is on my electronic calendars. I don't drive with expired drivers licenses either.
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:13 AM, 04/05/2013
      Anybody who believes this will stop illegal possession of firearms is living in a make believe world. Most, if not all, who carry an illegal gun are those already entagled in gun laws. They have a criminal record or feel they don't want to be identified as a "weenie" in their hood. Yet, they need to chance it, to protect themselves from the elements that make up our neighborhoods today. One councilwoman is fighting the Mayor over recreational funding for her district. Why? is this so, when another councilman has already achieved his goals of refurbishing not one but two playgrounds in Fairmount, the fourth safest neighborhood, and Francisville. A political football in play, and while others are struggling with new laws to stop the killings. I am sick sore and tired of hearing these politicians and their do good deeds, just to be re-elected. It's all smoke and mirrors, just ask any anti-gun advocate, who has already seen justice un-served. We need a Mayor who has a comphrehensive plan where the left hand knows what the right hand is doing. Stop grandstanding pols with our lives.
      Frank J Graff
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 6:30 AM, 04/05/2013
      LIBERAL AGENDA ALERT!!! This is a publicity stunt by the Democrats. The current law allows for up to 7 yrs in prison for possession of an illegal weapon. They're going backwards, lol!

      Enjoy:

      § 6106. Firearms not to be carried without a license.
      (a) Offense defined.--
      (1) Except as provided in paragraph (2), any person who carries a firearm in any vehicle or any person who carries a firearm concealed on or about his person, except in his place of abode or fixed place of business, without a valid and lawfully issued license under this chapter commits a felony of the third degree. (up to seven year sentence)
      Professor1982
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:27 AM, 04/05/2013
      fester,
      wwffd? what would founding fathers do?
      they would shun you because of your dogmatic approach to everything.
      they were enlightened....you are frightened.
      whilst giving liberties to people they also feared that imbeciles such as prof1982 would destroy the fledgling republic.
      the same folks you quote from ad nauseum
      created a stronger central govt. partially in response to the shay's rebellion. they also crushed a tax revolt in pa with TROOPS during the whiskey rebellion.
      that part of history escapes you and only the williamsburg-esque nostalgia for past events is all that you remember.



      the lopez!
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:47 AM, 04/05/2013
      Poor Lopes. Still deflecting. The city already has a law which allows those convicted of carrying an illegal firearm to be imprisoned for up to 7 yrs.


      BTW, since you think you are more virtuous and intelligent than Thomas Jefferson enjoy the following quote from him and Cesare Beccaria:

      "Laws that forbid the carrying of arms..disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed one." - Thomas Jefferson quoting Cesare Beccaria, Criminologist in 1764. That was 230 years ago. -Thomas Jefferson
      Professor1982
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:05 AM, 04/05/2013
      BTW, since you think you are more virtuous and intelligent than Thomas Jefferson enjoy the following quote from him and Cesare Beccaria:
      fester,
      i never made such a claim against thomas jefferson. never. you ASSumed that. i am smarter than you, much smarter.

      you still run to quotes given to you rather than read anything by these idolized founders.

      is this shoddy academic work of your how you got through the g.e.d. program?
      the lopez!
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:21 AM, 04/05/2013
      Lopes - Are you done whining now?
      Professor1982
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:35 AM, 04/05/2013
      This comment has been deleted.
      the lopez!
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:47 PM, 04/05/2013
      Lopes your statement "you are a frightened and armed person" couldn't me more funny and ironic.

      If anyone is "afraid", it would be you and your 'lil libby friends who are afraid of big bad guns so you might want to rethink your statement.

      Now that being said, you have nothing. All the "fear" and "hate" out of the left is just feeding the machine of domestic conflict coming. Hope you're ready for it.

      You're playing a big boy's game with a little boy's mind and ego.
      Professor1982
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:10 PM, 04/05/2013
      fester
      you advocate guns and more guns

      i am not afraid to live in this world without a gun.
      you are
      you are a fearful person, armed to your dentures.
      li

      You're playing a big boy's game with a little boy's mind and ego.
      nice
      that's what you dig, huh?
      the lopez!
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:46 AM, 04/05/2013
      You being a professor you would know the difference between up to 7 (max) and minimum 2. Tell the truth you just wanted a reason to get up at 6:30 am and yell out something negative about LIBERALS didnt you?
      Cleats2YourFace
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:13 AM, 04/05/2013
      Professor1982 is not and was not a professor. He has claimed many things over many threads that he was this and that blah blah blah...none of it he would substantiate. The fact is that he is a short, bald, middle aged white man who sits at his computer all day angry because no one will hire him. His rants give him some sort of feeling that he is accomplishing something, which he is not.
      tornadochaser
    • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:18 AM, 04/05/2013
      LoL. Tornado...you're too much, love. it.

      So, besides attempting to attack me (pitifully no less) do you have anything real to add to this conversation or do you want to just sit there and whine like a little girl?

      Professor1982


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