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City considers hiking liquor-drink tax to 15 percent

City Council President Darrell Clarke with Avenue North in the background. Clarke has pledged support for increasing the “liquor-by-the-drink” tax.<br />
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City Council President Darrell Clarke with Avenue North in the background. Clarke has pledged support for increasing the “liquor-by-the-drink” tax.
Story Highlights
  • The possibility of increasing the "liquor-by-the-drink" tax seems to be gaining traction on both sides.
  • City Council President Darrell Clarke has pledged support for increasing the tax.
  • Nutter said increasing the tax by half (to 15 percent per drink) is an option his administration is considering.

NEED A REASON to drink? How about improving the futures of Philadelphia's schoolkids?

Mayor Nutter and City Council are rarely on the same page these days, but the possibility of increasing the "liquor-by-the-drink" tax to help pay for the School Reform Commission's request for $60 million seems to be gaining traction on both sides.

City Council President Darrell Clarke has pledged support for increasing the tax, which now adds 10 percent to your bar tab (on top of the sales tax) and sends it to the schools.

The possibility of increasing the tax by half (to 15 percent per drink) has been floated.

In 1994, then-Councilman Nutter voted in favor of creating the tax, which now brings in more than $45 million per year.

"President Clarke and I have talked about that and I am certainly interested in that kind of proposal, but my track record on that one is pretty clear," Nutter said. The 1994 bill "was a tough vote for a lot of folks but I thought it was the right thing to do then and it's certainly something that we should explore now."

Clarke spokeswoman Jane Roh wrote in an email that the Council president "supports increasing this tax to bolster an annualized revenue stream for the schools."

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Pat Conway, president of the Pennsylvania Restaurant and Lodging Association, said that while businesses don't like the tax, it's the customers who usually absorb its cost.

"It would be a tough pill to swallow for restaurants and taverns and for the entire hospitality industry, but it's actually more of a consumer issue," Conway said.

Increasing the tax is no silver-bullet cocktail shaker for fully funding the schools' request, so Council and the mayor would have to find money in other places to reach the $60 million the schools say they need to plug their enormous budget gap.

Nutter supports funding the request but has been elusive as to how he wants to get that done. On Thursday he addressed criticism that his administration hasn't yet presented a plan, saying he wants to first develop one with Council.

"We don't have a plan today and we certainly don't have all the answers today, and we don't have to have a plan and all the answers today. Our budget process, at least under the charter, is completed by the end of May," he said.

Some in Council, including Clarke, have not committed to providing the full $60 million, arguing that after two years of city property-tax hikes for the schools, it's Harrisburg's turn.

Nutter, however, said Thursday that he thinks Philly needs to show its commitment first to get more money out of the state.

"It would put us at that much worse of a situation from a discussion or negotiation standpoint to somehow seek additional funding from the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania . . . while some might suggest that the city would not be putting dollars on the table," he said. "I have to reject that kind of strategy."

CORRECTION: Due to an editing error, an earlier version of this story erroneously stated that Mayor Nutter supports increasing the liquor tax from 10 percent to 15 percent. Nutter said he wanted to discuss a possible increase but did not specify a rate.


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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:36 PM, 04/05/2013
    Stuck on Socialist Stupid has not changed one bit since we move from Pennsylvania in 1993 because of the "sales & use tax". We moved our family software development business, and six families, to Florida to escape this madness of rust belt socialism. Dumb is being kind.
    American.Dude61
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 6:35 PM, 04/05/2013
    They will tax you until you're finally forced to leave. Then they will go elsewhere, to the State and to the Feds until they finally are forced to say no. They wont fix it until they are left no other choice. There will be a lot of pain between now and then.
    tr88
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 6:25 PM, 04/05/2013
    Go to Jersey and buy your own.
    tr88
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:38 PM, 04/05/2013
    Jersey? With some of the most insane property taxes in the country? .....not!
    American.Dude61
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:02 PM, 04/05/2013
    Buy your booze in Jersey and take it home to avoid the LCB raking you to pay off the Unions.
    tr88
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:20 PM, 04/05/2013
    I just saw this billboard off Lancaster Ave with him on one side and Jannie Blackwell on the other with a "Peace In The Streets" logo on top. Puh-leeze.
    MS. LOU.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:52 PM, 04/05/2013
    I don't understand, Philadelphian's like Senator Larry Farnese won't stand up to the LCB unions, and support the Governor's plan to privatize the LCB for the benefit of PA schools. But he'll probably support Philly's request to the PA legislature to increase the by the drink tax. Where's the benefit to Philly taxpayers? Why should anyone vote for him again?
    axxell
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:34 PM, 04/05/2013
    The School District administrators do not know how to handle money, period. Time to get rid of those who are responsible for the long-term "mis-management" and replace them with people who know what they are doing. Otherwise, this "new money" will vanish quickly (with nothing to show for it), AND possibly lead to people "thinking twice" about purchasing drinks because of the excessive cost.
    dee99999
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:18 PM, 04/05/2013
    Sure, ignore all of the general waste and corruption and tax Philadelphians more. Why try to fix the route of the problem when you can just trow more money at it?
    bta441
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:49 PM, 04/05/2013
    They're doing everything they possibly can to drive business out of the city, in spite of their efforts to encourage tourism in general and trying to get people to spend the evening in the city. They are killing Philadelphia at an alarming rate.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:34 PM, 04/05/2013
    Hell the F#$^ NO!
    write me in
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:13 PM, 04/05/2013
    More money into a sinking ship. It won't matter how much money you thrown down that endless hole. The issue is the corruption, lack of transparency and mismanagement of public funds at 440 N. Broad. Until these issues are corrected and safeguarded, I say NO. No, to any new tax to fund this wreck of a school district. These "elected" and I use that term very lightly, have no concept of what it will take to fix this 800 lbs. gorilla. Same old broken promises and old ideas (tax, tax and tax). Have they (city democrats) realized you cannot tax your way out of this mess....It should make every taxpayer in this city sick to their stomach.
    Just_Recently_Banned
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:00 PM, 04/05/2013
    Themonkmagdalena: Thank You for pointing out the Average Family Income but I was pointing out their minimum wage rate which adds up to $30K. Their minimum wage per hour is more than ours. Big difference.
    A. Martinez
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:27 PM, 04/05/2013
    The only reason to live in this city is the bars. I would rather have 20 bars in walking distance to my home than one. (I don't drink and drive) Now they are going to tack on another 5% on the already outrageous liquor tax 10% city liquor tax, after they take 4% of my income? Will it go up to 20% next year? When does it end?
    John19147
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:22 PM, 04/05/2013
    Wish I had a magic wand so I could retire at 62. But, unlike my union buddies, I don't get my healthcare paid till I'm 65 so I;m stuck here for 3 more years. Dammit!
    Themonkofmagdalena
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:20 PM, 04/05/2013
    Ms Lou cracks me up...
    Themonkofmagdalena
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:50 PM, 04/05/2013
    So what's up with Jay Z in the picture? Is he buying out the state stores and changing the name to Roca Booze?
    MS. LOU.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:31 PM, 04/05/2013
    Mayor Urkel is signaling that he will do exactly as I suggested. They'll raise even more taxes. They will have Knudsen do a little dog-and-pony show to make it look like the Democrats are 'serious' about collecting taxes from other Democrats. Then they will run to the state, demand more money, and call everyone a racist when they refuse to play along. Jump, Urkel! Jump! Good dog. *woof*
    b,ill a,tkins
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:27 PM, 04/05/2013
    I'll drink and purchase my alcohol in the suburbs and Jersey. Nice try, Urkel, but you're not getting me on this one.
    b,ill a,tkins
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:27 AM, 04/05/2013
    Raise the tax on weed! Oh, that's right, the money all goes over the border...
    *Chuck*
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:25 AM, 04/05/2013
    Thanks God from BYOB places. Some of them real good too:-)..... I drink my alcohol in suburbs anyway. I live there too. Who wants to live in the city?
    hollandpa
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:24 AM, 04/05/2013
    ... and where is the money for the Firefighters arbitration award and the contract settlements for District Councils 33 and 47? Hidden away in the City's budget. Nutter wants to be able to blame City Council and gives no credit to the help the unions gave the city financially over the last four or five years. He just wants to cater to the richest 1%, pass the blame, dictate outcomes and break the unions. He is a failure as a mayor.
    union guy
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:43 AM, 04/05/2013
    you'll get your raise when you agree to go onto a 401k. deal?

    otherwise, go on strike or stop whining like a toddler
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:19 PM, 04/05/2013
    City Workers signed a contract with the City, which states that they Will receive a pension.

    City Workers take a greatly reduced Salary compared to people doing the same work in the private sector, making that sacrifice for the promise of the pension.

    It is not the City Worker's fault that several Mayors in a row have decided that it is okay to make up Fantasy "Projected returns" from the Stock market, and used those numbers to justify not fully funding the worker's pension fund.
    It is High Time the City paid what it is Suppose to,
    and Fully Fund the Worker's Pensions, not give the money away to their friends who have Charter School companies.
    Quit watching Fox Noise.
    Quit listening to the "Koch" brothers.

    Give the Firefighters their money.
    Give the rest of the workers a new contract, with their step increases, and a cost of living increase at least equal to what City Council gave itself.

    Just because you took a job with a 401k , and cannot make any money at the Dog Track does not mean honest, hard working people who work for the City should have to. You should fight to get a pension yourself !

    (Oh, and get out of your Momma's basement, and go find a job.)
    murphthesurf
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 6:43 PM, 04/05/2013
    The "City' doesnt have it. There are alot of people with their hand out. Now where do you suppose they would have to go to get it? Should we tax them so much that they move out?

    tr88
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:45 PM, 04/05/2013
    Wow, I never heard the words honest and hard working used to describe union city workers. That's a laugh.
    OldCityJoe
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:17 AM, 04/05/2013
    AMartinez wrote: "This is the way of the world. The only problem I see here is that our employees do not make as much as citizens of other countries. The minimum salary in Australia is $30K/year."

    The average family income in Philly is $34,000 Einstein. America has one of the highest family incomes in the world. That DOES NOT justify these tax rates. Do you really live in America?
    Themonkofmagdalena
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:10 AM, 04/05/2013
    More taxes and low pay. I'm sure a liquor tax will make all alcohol drinkers very happy (sarcasm). My list of reasons to move out of this dumpy city have been validated, thanks to the clown mayor and his circus troupe!
    OohChildNoPhilly
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:56 AM, 04/05/2013
    How about figuring out the school budget for what the schools that we actually have need ?
    The 800 lb Elephant in the middle of the room that no one at the Inky seems to be able to investigate is that the so called budget shortfall for the schools is based on a "Wish List Budget",closing existing schools, selling the buildings to friends of the mayor and Council people, and paying millions extra to start Charter schools, instead of paying to adequately fund the schools we already have.
    If the City is so broke that you cannot even give the people who do all the work
    a new contract, you Do Not have the money to be spending on ripping off the taxpayers
    building New Schools to enrich your Friends.
    Investigate the money trail of the Charter School companies,
    particularly the ones that have ties to Ms. Nutter, Mr. Gamble,
    and our State Senators, and mu guess is you will find a trail
    of corruption and graft pretty easily.
    murphthesurf
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:55 AM, 04/05/2013
    They won't get as much from the Per drink tax as with speeding tickets for the taxpayers who will be leaving philly in droves at a high rate of speed. Another Idiot proposal by that body of idiots they call city council. It would be cheaper to keep all of those criminals in jail than to keep paying their salaries.
    rduexpress
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:53 AM, 04/05/2013
    Delaware and Jersey liquor retailers smile even more....
    kelprod2-freemarket
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:49 AM, 04/05/2013
    Are we going to tax breathable air in the city next?
    roguefiftyone
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:45 AM, 04/05/2013
    Just another reason to stay out in the 'burbs. Or better yet, move there. Between the parking, towing, tickets , getting shot at and paying 15% more for a drink, who wants to come into town? I'm pretty sure people are getting sick and tired of bailing the schools out again and again, especially when we didn't send our kids to publik skool in the first place. Get me outta here !!
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:07 AM, 04/05/2013
    I am going to give everyone here a worldwide perspective. This article is about a proposed increase of 15% on drinks at bars. This money is supposed to be earmarked for PSD deficit. A 10.00 drink just went to $11.50. *************In Australia, they tax the three sins at this rate: Cigarettes are $15.00/pack, a case of Domestic Beer is $68.00 dollars and Coffee sells for $18.00 Dollars a half pound. They use this money to fund Healthcare and Education.***************This is the way of the world. The only problem I see here is that our employees do not make as much as citizens of other countries. The minimum salary in Australia is $30K/year. *****************We need to raise the minimum salary in this country for the working poor. The living equation is out of whack in this city. Too many increases and taxes and not enough wages. Classic economic failure. PSD and the teacher's Union need to be held accountable for Education and spending. No new money until you can guarantee my last position. (HTML deleted)
    A. Martinez
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:06 AM, 04/05/2013
    I am going to give everyone here a worldwide perspective. This article is about a proposed increase of 15% on drinks at bars. This money is supposed to be earmarked for PSD deficit. A 10.00 drink just went to $11.50.
    *************
    In Australia, they tax the three sins at this rate: Cigarettes are $15.00/pack, a case of Domestic Beer is $68.00 dollars and Coffee sells for $18.00 Dollars a half pound. They use this money to fund Healthcare and Education.
    ***************
    This is the way of the world. The only problem I see here is that our employees do not make as much as citizens of other countries. The minimum salary in Australia is $30K/year.
    *****************
    We need to raise the minimum salary in this country for the working poor. The living equation is out of whack in this city. Too many increases and taxes and not enough wages. Classic economic failure. PSD and the teacher's Union need to be held accountable for Education and spending. No new money until you can guarantee my last position.
    A. Martinez
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:34 PM, 04/05/2013
    So what's your point, Mr-Economic-Genius? The minimum wage salary is $30,000 in Australia. I looked up that rate and found just what I suspected from someone who lives there:

    "...Doubling the minimum wage has the unintended consequences of making everything more expensive, Vending machines, charge $4.50 per drink and barbershops no less than $35 for a buzz cut.

    Consumer Prices Including Rent in Australia are 73.47% higher than in the United States..."
    Strongbow
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:33 AM, 04/05/2013
    Democrats are going to chase all the restaurants right out of Philadelphia, then scratch their heads why...
    Strongbow
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:26 AM, 04/05/2013
    Glad I don't frequent bars. My god, soon it'll cost $12 for a decent mixed drink in this one-horse town! They just take and take and take...
    Themonkofmagdalena
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:14 AM, 04/05/2013
    How much furter are these council idiots going to go topush businesses out of the city. The restuarant scene is about the only thing doing well in the city. When the businesses go so will the jobs that go with them. Some of these jobs actually pay wages that people can own homes and support families on. When these go, more of the tax base that is left will have been lost. But the council idiots do not get this. So when the people that handle the produce loose there jobs, the truckers that move the products to the restuarants loose their jobs, the chefs, cooks, waiters, bus boys and so on are out of work because the city continues to punish busness owners and patrons, look at the city council clowns and point the finger of blame at them.
    Wildman Bill
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:12 AM, 04/05/2013
    Anyone, who isn't on welfare and actually pays taxes, still living in the city...is a complete moron.
    Charlie Cheese Steak
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:50 AM, 04/05/2013
    Sorry, some of us actually work here, so Ali BabaNutter and his band of thieves still get to pick my pocket every two weeks. Moving to the burbs would be a wash- lower car insurance, homeowners insurance, but double real estate taxes. My kids are grown up and not products of Philly schools, so we'll just go out to eat in the 'burbs.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:07 AM, 04/05/2013
    wow. 15% is pretty steep. 50% tax hike. is there an offset like a. 1% millage rate?
    dreinterests
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:46 AM, 04/05/2013
    Wow, listen up wittle urban liberals. Alcoholism is NOT going to usher in "a new day" or take us "forward", it is going to make us FAT AND STUPID AND LAZY AND GHETTO! There is so much parasiting and profiteering by the ATF, LCB, state stores, bars, etc. and WE ARE STILL IN A DEPRESSION WITH TERRIBLE SCHOOLS! Why would repeating the same liberal nonsense NOT get the same results??? Urban lberals epitomize insanity every day, bottoms up alchy's! Forward!
    1980phillies
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:45 AM, 04/05/2013
    Talk about criminal enterprise ! Extortion seems to be Don Michael's best tool. Bar's and restaurants are just going to pass this on to the customer. The people need to put an end to extortion, the only way, stick together, TAX REVOLT.
    winter
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:45 AM, 04/05/2013
    City council in where the Philadelphia School District shops for money. We, the taxpayers are where city council shops for taxes. This city council has raised more taxes than any in history. Perhaps the PSD should negotiate better terms and conditions in their contracts for pensions and health care. PSD gives better pensions and health care than any other entity around, well perhaps, the city is better. Both, hmmm, are tired to a city council that is a FAILURE.
    misterpond
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:43 AM, 04/05/2013
    One other thought..Where's the $133 Million dollar City budget surplus we had in Fiscal 2012? Not that I'd give that to the SDP. I just want an answer to where that money is..plus the millions in surpluses from the earlier years. Where is it? Does anybody know?
    oblekr
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:41 AM, 04/05/2013
    Hey, c'mon..Knudsen is in charge now. Let 'em loose and let's see how much he'll rake in from tax deadbeats. Why this "nibble-nibble" approach to keep raising money for the SDP? They're top heavy, the overpaid folks need to be cleaned out, etc. The theft and waste needs to be corraled and eliminated. Giving law firms millions of dollars (for what??)is just the "built in" payola. Let's "gut" 440 of the drones and patronage leeches first. By the way--where is Nunery? Still drawing a hefty salary? Gone? Laying low? I still want resolution to the Archie/Evans/Nunery ethics investigation that Nutter promised. What's the status, Nutter? Just keep raising taxes and giving money to the SDP? Wrong..The State says--"See--they have plenty of options to keep pumping up the funding to throw into the payoff toilet". Stop the stupidity!
    oblekr
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:40 AM, 04/05/2013
    The sad thing that this latest tranche of $60 million isn't going to do one thing to help the school system. It will just go down the same drain as the other billions spent on "education" in a system that continues to produce illiterates and where the "teachers" unions refuse any type of accountability. We keep thinking that, at some point, the democrats are going to run out of things to tax, but they never seem to do.
    TonyMarino
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:14 AM, 04/05/2013
    Surprise! More taxes. At what point does city council look at eliminating DROP.
    TEMPLE55
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:09 AM, 04/05/2013
    Why fix the problem of overspending when we can just raise another tax??
    Jaytee1
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 6:29 PM, 04/05/2013
    Because theyre democrats. Hello?
    tr88
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 6:56 AM, 04/05/2013
    Reduce Nutter's staff.
    blipster
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 6:47 AM, 04/05/2013
    Going to see a rise in illegal bars ooops I mean undocumented bars
    callitlikeiseethem
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 6:39 AM, 04/05/2013
    Did you know in PA 18% of the price paid for alcohol STILL goes to the tax for rebuilding Johnstown after the 1890 flood?!?

    was 123 yrs ago and were STILL paying that tax!

    Amazing.
    Professor1982
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 6:08 PM, 04/05/2013
    Not quite. It can be confusing, since Johnstown seems to be destroyed by a flood every few years, but the liquor tax was in response to the 1936 flood, not the 1889 flood that also destroyed the town.
    Think about it for a minute; what happened to all alcohol sales, nation wide, in between those two floods that would make a liquor tax imposed in 1889 impossible to collect? Prohibition.
    77 years is still a long time to have a "temporary" tax on the books, but the money has gone to the general fund since the 1940's, just like every other state in the country except New Hampshire.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 6:22 AM, 04/05/2013
    There is fat elsewhere in this city government and a pension system named DROP being abused never intended for anyone but people who actually risk their lives daily for the citizens-Police and Firemen. When some fat scum greedy politicians and their drones got their hands onto that this citys finances were doomed. People retiring for a day and coming back to another pension entitlement too, scumbags
    Steelmanpa
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 6:04 AM, 04/05/2013
    Tax and spend, tax and spend.
    aviator
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:41 AM, 04/05/2013
    yet another reason to avoid this dump of a city
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:54 AM, 04/05/2013
    Until you fix how the PSD spend it's money,any additional taxes will just feed the problem and not force the dostrict to learn how to manage the money it has properly. Stop punishing the people of Philadelphia with an ever increasing number of taxes.
    Wildman Bill
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:36 PM, 04/05/2013
    Legalize weed and fund education. Case closed



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