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Straw buyers? They walk but the gun dealers are liable? Brady's are misguided in thinking they are improving society with their anti any gun programs.
Then there is the DN article that suggests that women straw buyers are "victimized" for doing long sentences, even when the criminal does less time because of weak prosecution of gun crime! Kids, we are not prosecuting gun crimes adequately in PA. Not even close. Straw buyers are starting to get taken seriously, and it points out how lenient the sentences and policies are for the criminals who use the guns! What does common sense tell you?
It's all about the lawsuits and money for these blood suckers whose livelyhood would be nothing without crime.
I am not a right winger, a conservative, a gun owner, a libertarian, a Republican or a tea party whacko. Gun control laws and law suits, like the ones mentioned above, are absurd and absolutely a violation of the very clearly written bill of rights. While I'm certainly not accusing gun control lobbyists and activists of facism, the first step of all autocratic societys is restricting weapons. Well meaning or not, it is unreasonable to have a hodge podge of laws where a gun owner can't be expected to know what the rules are in his current location. It's also unreasonable to have the police deciding who can and can't carry a firearm when they have a vested interest in preventing everyone from carrying. I am probably unable to acquire a permit to carry because of a TRAFFIC incident and resulting beauracratic mess. I don't have any interest in carrying a weapon, but it's absurd that I have to go before a sherrif looking for any excuse not to let me have one. Reasonable waiting periods are common sense. Laws preventing VIOLENT felons from posessing a weapon are fine. Laws prosecuting straw buyers are fine. A gun merchant is a businessman like any other and should not be held accountable for customers breaking the law. Similarly, a non-violent person should not be restricted from carrying a weapon. If I were someone turned away from owning a weapon and was later a victim of crime, I'd be filing a law suit against whatever agents prevented me from protecting myself.
If you want to hold someone responsible for a crime... HOW ABOUT THE CRIMINAL?
OK DN let me get this straight. I suppose to have compassion for the female straw buyer because she's a drug addict, but hold the gun dealer responsible? What are you smoking? Did anyone notice that the law suites were almost always settled for for big $. That's what that is about, nothing to do with safety. If a dealer refuses to sell a gun to someone who can legally purchase it, he becomes exposed to a lawsuit from that person. You can't just refuse it because he looks guilty, or shifty, or her boyfriend he thinks has too much to say. My friends father went with him to purchase a gun, because of his limited knowledge of the different make a models. His father was going to teach him how to safely handle the gun. Now how is a gun dealer supposed to know the difference?
It must be the victims fault for looking like a good target why not sue the clothing manufaturers for selling them those 100 dollar sneakers if they had on bobo's no need to rob them.
I agree that prosecuting straw buyers is a viable crime-fighting strategy. I strongly disagree with the Brady practice of suing the gun dealers after they fall victim of the straw-purcaser's crime. Prosecuting the victim of a crime is wrong.
Why dont we create a gun control board, everyone who purchases a gun goes into a database, agents from the gun control board will check up on these people periodically at which point the person will be required to show the agent the gun they purchased, if they cant do it, automatic fine/arrest.
a "gun control board",LOL,,that will be just another freedom taken away from us and another form of monitoring us which to me is an invasion of privacy by putting any gun owner in a data base,,just seems that would make gun owners easy targets in investigations of crimes with guns. u gonna check the database for everyone owning a gun of that caliber?,then bring them all to the station to check the weapons in question? costing the innocent alot of time and aggravation and quite possibly time from work? bad idea,,,one thing needed is to enforce the laws already on the books,,which is not being done to its fullest extent,and try going after the bleeding heart liberal judges that not only sentence violent criminals to short terms in prison,but also let them out alot earlier to hurt even more people.
going after the gun dealers is not the answer,,all they're doing is running a business,,same as going after a bar owner when someone kills someone when driving drunk,,both are selling a product,,not encouraging a crime.
The "very clearly written Bill of Rights?" Please. It's apparent whoever drafted it went into politics because he was a lousy lawyer. It's so broad and ambiguous that anybody can make it mean anything they want.
Brady was a Republican flack but when he gets shot, he becomes a born-again anti-gun activist. And there's no reason to think that current Philly gun laws would have stopped Hinckley from getting the gun he used to shoot Brady. Maybe the Brady group should go after the chick the guy who used a gun to commit a crime was trying to impress.
Murder and mayhem are already crimes. Modern gun laws are tools to remove weapons from the hands of responsible, law abiding citizens. Responsible, law abiding citizens who happen to be armed, are perceived as a threat by those in power. These facts are incontrovertible and there are examples all throughout history if you do some unbiased research.
Lets face it,the ambulance chaser has such a great field day with Philly gun dealers because Philly has such a load of low life career violent criminals with dope addict girlfriends.I don't know why any person would even try to run a legitimate business in such an atmosphere.
puddydawg wrote, in part: If a dealer refuses to sell a gun to someone who can legally purchase it, he becomes exposed to a lawsuit from that person. You can't just refuse it because he looks guilty, or shifty, or her boyfriend he thinks has too much to say......
I am a licensed gun dealer (custom manufacturer and gunsmith, not a stocking retail dealer). ATF made it very clear when we had our pre-approval interview that we could refuse to sell a gun to anyone for any reason, and they would back us up.
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