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Another juror speaks, says Cosby's own words convinced him of guilt

Laura McCrystal, Staff Writer

Updated: Monday, June 26, 2017, 9:34 AM

In this June 16, 2017 file photo, Bill Cosby arrives at the Montgomery County Courthouse in Norristown, Pa. on June 16, 2017. A judge declared a mistrial after the jury couldn't agree on a verdict on any of the charges.

Another juror in Bill Cosby’s sexual assault trial spoke out on Monday, saying the entertainer’s own words in a 2005 deposition convinced him of Cosby’s guilt.

Bill Cosby and his entourage quickly leave the courtroom after a mistrial was declared Saturday. ED HILLE / Staff Photographer
Bill Cosby leaves Montgomery County Courthouse with spokesman Andrew Wyatt after a mistrial was declared Saturday. David Swanson / Staff Photographer
Andrea Constand, Bill Cosby's accuser, leaves the courtroom via a back door after a mistrial was declared Saturday. ED HILLE / Staff Photographer
One of Bill Cosby's accuser's reacts Saturday after a mistrial was declared. ED HILLE / Staff Photographer
Bill Cosby leaves Montgomery County Courthouse after a mistrial was declared Saturday. David Swanson / Staff Photographer
Brian McMonagle, Bill Cosby's defense attorney, smiles while waiting outside the courtroom for the jury to deliberate. ED HILLE / Staff Photographer
Some of Bill Cosby's accusers queue up to enter the courtroom prior to the judge delivering his decision Saturday. ED HILLE / Staff Photographer
Bill Cosby leaves Montgomery County Courthouse with his lawyer Brian J. McMonagle after a mistrial was declared Saturday. David Swanson / Staff Photographer
Bill Cosby leaves Montgomery County Courthouse with his spokesman Andrew Wyatt after a mistrial was declared Saturday. David Swanson / Staff Photographer
Bill Cosby leaves Montgomery County Courthouse with his spokesman Andrew Wyatt after a mistrial was declared Saturday. David Swanson / Staff Photographer
Lili Bernard (center), who is among the women to accuse Bill Cosby of sexual assault, confronts a Cosby supporter outside the Montgomery County Courthouse in Norristown on June 15, 2007. David Maialetti / Staff Photographer
Bill Cosby is escorted into the Montgomery County Courthouse in Norristown by sheriff's deputies June 15, 2017 as jurors in his sexual assault trial begin deliberations for a fourth day. Clem Murray / Staff Photographer
Bill Cosby gives a thumbs up to a fan on the sidewalk as he comes to the Montgomery County Courthouse on Wednesday on the third day of jury deliberations. MICHAEL BRYANT / Staff Photographer
Bill Cosby exits the building after a long day of deliberations at the Montgomery County Courthouse in Norristown on June 13, 2017.
Bill Cosby spokesman Andrew Wyatt stops and answers questions from the media outside the Montgomery County Courthouse in Norristown on June 13, 2017 as jurors in the Cosby trial continue to deliberate a verdict. When asked if the defense team was encouraged that deliberations were taking so long, he replied "Yes." CLEM MURRAY / Staff Photographer
Gianna Constand (left) and her daughter Andrea Constand walk toward the courtroom inside the Montgomery County Courthouse in Norristown on June 12, 2017. David Maialetti / Staff Photographer
Bill Cosby leaves the courtroom after the jury had a question during his trial at the Montgomery County Courthouse in Norristown on June 13, 2017. David Maialetti / Staff Photographer
Bill Cosby leaves the Montgomery County Courthouse at night during his sexual assault trial on June 12, 2017. Tom Gralish / Staff Photographer
Bill Cosby gives thumbs up as he gets in a SUV after a long day of deliberations at the Montgomery County Courthouse in Norristown on June 13, 2017.
Defense attorneys Fortunato N. Perri, Jr. (left) and Brian McMonagle talk after their closing arguments in the Bill Cosby trial at the Montgomery County Courthouse in Norristown on June 12, 2017. David Maialetti / Staff Photographer
Bill Cosby gives the thumbs up sign to a group of supporters as he finished up the first day of his sexual assault trial at the Montgomery County Courthouse on June 5 2017. Michael Bryant / Staff Photographer
Therese Serignese, a nurse from Florida and an accuser against comedian Bill Cosby, walks outside the courtroom during lunch break at his sexual-assault trial at the Montgomery County Courthouse on June 6, 2017 Eduardo Munoz Alvarez / AP
Bill and Camille Cosby arrive at the Montgomery County Courthouse in Norristown on June 12, 2017. David Maialetti / Staff Photographer
Bill Cosby arrives for his sexual-assault trial with his wife, Camille Cosby, at the Montgomery County Courthouse in Norristown. Matt Rourke / AP
Reporters work outside the courtroom during a break in the Cosby trial in the Montgomery County Courthouse in Norristown on June 12, 2017. David Maialetti / Staff Photographer
Bill Cosby arrives at the Montgomery County Courthouse for the second day of jury deliberation on June 13 2017. Michael Bryant / Staff Photographer
Bill Cosby, with his spokesperson Andrew Wyatt, leaves for the night as the third day of jury deliberations ends in Cosby's sexual assault trial at the Montgomery County Courthouse in Norristown, Pa., on Wednesday, June 14, 2017. (Steven M. Falk/Philadelphia Inquirer/TNS) Steven M. Falk/Philadelphia Inquirer
Bill Cosby shakes hands with his lawyer Brian McMonagle while leaving the Montgomery County Courthouse in Norristown, Thursday, June 15, 2017. The jury had not reached a verdict as of 9:pm. STEVEN M. FALK / Staff Photographer STEVEN M. FALK / Staff Photographer
Bill Cosby, with his spokesperson Andrew Wyatt, left, leaves for the night as the third day of jury deliberations ends in Cosby's sexual assault trial at the Montgomery County Courthouse in Norristown, Pa., on Wednesday, June 14, 2017. (Steven M. Falk/Philadelphia Inquirer/TNS) STEVEN M. FALK / Staff Photographer
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“His whole deposition at first was eye-opening, and then as we went back in, I listened to it more … just the whole thing swayed me over,” said Bobby Dugan, 21.

Dugan spoke Monday morning with the Inquirer and Daily News. He also appeared on ABC’s Good Morning America in an interview. Other jurors have given interviews about the trial and deliberations in the week since it ended in mistrial, but Dugan was the first to speak out on camera and with his name attached to his remarks.

He said he believed the testimony of accuser Andrea Constand, who spent two days on the witness stand describing the 2004 night Cosby allegedly drugged and molested her.

“I mean, I will say she definitely did sound believable, because how can you make up something like that?” Dugan said.

But Dugan said he was not convinced of Cosby’s guilt until the jury heard for a second time Cosby’s own 2005 testimony about the encounter with Constand at his home in Cheltenham.

“When they were asking him, ‘Would you use the word consent?’ he said, ‘I wouldn’t use that word,’ ” Dugan said in his ABC interview. “I was like, ‘You pretty much said it there yourself, man.’ ”

After 52 hours of deliberations, jurors deadlocked June 17 and Montgomery County Judge Steven T. O’Neill declared a mistrial. Dugan declined to say how the panel’s votes were split, citing an instruction from O’Neill not to disclose it.

Conflicting accounts have emerged of the split inside the deliberation room. In a different ABC News report, an unnamed juror had said that 10 of the 12 members of the jury wanted to convict Cosby. Another juror told the Inquirer and Daily News last week that the vote was more evenly split.

Some jurors cried during deliberations, and emotions intensified as deliberations stretched on, Dugan said. But for the most part, he said the jury deliberated calmly.

“People raised their voices, but I wouldn’t count that as yelling,” he said. “They just, they were … really strong personalities.”

Both Dugan and the juror who spoke with the Inquirer and Daily News last week disputed another juror’s claim to ABC News that deliberations grew so intense that at one point a juror punched a wall.

“I didn’t see that happen,” Dugan said, “and I’m pretty sure it never did.”

Dugan said the 12 jurors became close during their deliberation process.

“We’re a bunch of different personalities and backgrounds, but in the end we all got a lot closer,” he said.

While he had been aware that Cosby was accused of sexual misconduct, Dugan said he had not been aware that Cosby was facing a criminal trial until he arrived for jury duty last month in Pittsburgh, and was selected as one of the jurors who would travel across the state and be sequestered during the trial in Norristown. He said he was both nervous and excited to be involved and learn how the court system works.

Dugan said he was familiar with Cosby and had seen episodes of The Cosby Show. But he said the defendant’s status as a celebrity did not influence his view of the case.

“The way I looked at it, I don’t know him, he doesn’t know me, and … it’s his life, not mine,” he said.

Dugan said he will pay attention to what happens next with the case; Montgomery County District Attorney Kevin R. Steele has vowed to retry Cosby on the same charges.

“I’ll definitely pay attention,” Dugan said. “It’s like once-in-a-lifetime type deal to be part of something this big, and you kind of want to see what happens at the end of it.”

Laura McCrystal, Staff Writer

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