Another juror in Bill Cosby’s sexual assault trial spoke out on Monday, saying the entertainer’s own words in a 2005 deposition convinced him of Cosby’s guilt.
“His whole deposition at first was eye-opening, and then as we went back in, I listened to it more … just the whole thing swayed me over,” said Bobby Dugan, 21.
Dugan spoke Monday morning with the Inquirer and Daily News. He also appeared on ABC’s Good Morning America in an interview. Other jurors have given interviews about the trial and deliberations in the week since it ended in mistrial, but Dugan was the first to speak out on camera and with his name attached to his remarks.
He said he believed the testimony of accuser Andrea Constand, who spent two days on the witness stand describing the 2004 night Cosby allegedly drugged and molested her.
“I mean, I will say she definitely did sound believable, because how can you make up something like that?” Dugan said.
But Dugan said he was not convinced of Cosby’s guilt until the jury heard for a second time Cosby’s own 2005 testimony about the encounter with Constand at his home in Cheltenham.
“When they were asking him, ‘Would you use the word consent?’ he said, ‘I wouldn’t use that word,’ ” Dugan said in his ABC interview. “I was like, ‘You pretty much said it there yourself, man.’ ”
After 52 hours of deliberations, jurors deadlocked June 17 and Montgomery County Judge Steven T. O’Neill declared a mistrial. Dugan declined to say how the panel’s votes were split, citing an instruction from O’Neill not to disclose it.
Conflicting accounts have emerged of the split inside the deliberation room. In a different ABC News report, an unnamed juror had said that 10 of the 12 members of the jury wanted to convict Cosby. Another juror told the Inquirer and Daily News last week that the vote was more evenly split.
Some jurors cried during deliberations, and emotions intensified as deliberations stretched on, Dugan said. But for the most part, he said the jury deliberated calmly.
“People raised their voices, but I wouldn’t count that as yelling,” he said. “They just, they were … really strong personalities.”
Both Dugan and the juror who spoke with the Inquirer and Daily News last week disputed another juror’s claim to ABC News that deliberations grew so intense that at one point a juror punched a wall.
“I didn’t see that happen,” Dugan said, “and I’m pretty sure it never did.”
Dugan said the 12 jurors became close during their deliberation process.
“We’re a bunch of different personalities and backgrounds, but in the end we all got a lot closer,” he said.
While he had been aware that Cosby was accused of sexual misconduct, Dugan said he had not been aware that Cosby was facing a criminal trial until he arrived for jury duty last month in Pittsburgh, and was selected as one of the jurors who would travel across the state and be sequestered during the trial in Norristown. He said he was both nervous and excited to be involved and learn how the court system works.
Dugan said he was familiar with Cosby and had seen episodes of The Cosby Show. But he said the defendant’s status as a celebrity did not influence his view of the case.
“The way I looked at it, I don’t know him, he doesn’t know me, and … it’s his life, not mine,” he said.
Dugan said he will pay attention to what happens next with the case; Montgomery County District Attorney Kevin R. Steele has vowed to retry Cosby on the same charges.
“I’ll definitely pay attention,” Dugan said. “It’s like once-in-a-lifetime type deal to be part of something this big, and you kind of want to see what happens at the end of it.”