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SEPTA as contract template? No way, says Nutter

So, has the SEPTA contract deal - with guaranteed raises in four of the five years of the contract - inspired the city union workers to shoot for the stars in their negotiations?

Mayor Nutter said yesterday that they should forget about even trying.

"I think as we all know, SEPTA is a state-authorized and created agency. It has completely separate funding streams than we do," Nutter said. "That particular deal could not be more different than what is going on in the city."

Contracts for the city's four municipal unions expired June 30. But none has new contracts.

An arbitration panel is expected to soon rule on a contract for the Fraternal Order of Police. After that, the city will likely resume talks with District Council 33, which represents the city's blue-collar workers, and white-collar union DC 47, which have been stalled since summer.

Arbitration hearings have begun with the firefighters union and will stretch into the new year.

Nutter yesterday stressed that the city's finances are in worse shape today than even a few months ago. And he is expecting to get $25 million in annual savings from the contracts. So money will be tight, he said.

"We absolutely have to get $25 million in savings, primarily in health and welfare and pension," Nutter said. "The longer we go without contracts in place, there's that much [more] pressure."

Uri Monson, executive director of the Pennsylvania Intergovernmental Cooperation Authority, which oversees the city budget, agreed that there are few similarities between the city contracts and the SEPTA contract.

"The city has had a devastating last year in terms of revenue and is already this year looking weaker than expected," Monson said, noting that in contrast, SEPTA has gotten new ongoing funding from the state.

The relationship between SEPTA and its union "is vastly different in terms of resources," he said.

DC 33 President Pete Matthews and DC 47 President Cathy Scott did not return calls for comment.

Roughly 60 percent of the city's $3.8 billion general fund is dedicated to salaries, benefits and overtime for city workers, most of whom are union-represented. Those costs continue to grow.

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Posted 08:32 AM, 11/10/2009
JRadek
Rendell came up with money for those overpaid SEPTA strikers, but he can't do the same for the city workers?? Disgraceful.
Posted 09:26 AM, 11/10/2009
jnyfive
Here we go again. Let's see if more of these unions drag the city into additional peril. Isn't it funny how unions continue to see raises and the rest of the world has to realize that its just not possible? For every raise they get, most of the times unwaranted, another part suffers, usually filtered down to those who pay the costs, usually the riders or the tax payers. Cost of living has gone down so the raises and salaries should follow.
Posted 09:29 AM, 11/10/2009
cynmoe
What about the Probation Officer's that Nutter ran on to get into office...we are underpaid and understaffed!! He promised raises, where are they??? City Council does nothing and gets nice raises, for doing what????
Posted 09:50 AM, 11/10/2009
FMT
Nobody in my private-sector company has gotten a raise in 3 years...times are tough and that is how we are dealing with it...stop complaining.
Posted 10:04 AM, 11/10/2009
JRadek
jnyfive.... are you giving back your salary or raises to your company? Most likely, you're not. I can't understand why anyone would be a cop, medic, or a firefighter in this dump of a city. They could just get a better paying job with SEPTA and the politicians would cater to their every need. And to the best of my knowledge, the city's cops, firefighters, and medics have never left the city hang out to dry the way SEPTA just did. Rendell never should've handed over OUR money to those clowns unless both parties permanently agreed to binding arbitration in the future.
Posted 10:22 AM, 11/10/2009
Ben Dover
why can't the police and fire personnel that work for the city vote to give themselves raises like city council does? why can't every city worker retire for one day so the can collect thier pension and then come back to work the next day like city council does?
Posted 10:24 AM, 11/10/2009
Mark in Mount Airy
JRadek -- the police and fire unions haven't struck the city because by law they cannot. They have through their union, however, fought hard in the past to keep the state of the city's finances from being taken into account in binding arbitration. Also, Rendell was handing over state money -- which means it's not just your money, or PhilCo money, it's money from Buxco, Montco, Chesco, Delco, and the 62 other counties. SEPTA at least is a regional agency serving counties that make up 30% of the state's population. I don't believe it is reasonable to expact the other 66 counties to ride to the rescue and subsidize Philadelphia municipal worker wages any more than they already do. If they do that, it would be reasonable for them to want to fold up the City Workers Pension Fund and Health and Welfare Fund into the state benefits and pension fund. They would get a much better deal.
Posted 10:46 AM, 11/10/2009
bill at
Please, whatever happens with the city's finances and union contracts, please don't let Latr!ce Bryant lose her $90K job. The city desperately needs her, as does Willie Goode Jr.
Posted 11:12 AM, 11/10/2009
cecelia
Maybe the mayor should look at his own staff (MANAGING DIRECTOR)who brings her dogs to work and has her staff walk them and put eye drops in one of their eyes. Maybe he should cut their budget instaed of other departments. Maybe he should show his employees respect.
Posted 11:32 AM, 11/10/2009
phillypapers
Nutter should settle the contracts ahead of time. There wouldn't be a need to strike if any of these groups had signed contracts. Why was the Septa contract not deemed important until months after the old one expired?
Posted 01:18 PM, 11/10/2009
concerns25
Cut the size of government staffing in the city just like private businesses, the population is down and we do not need as many workers. Most important are police, fire, teachers, trash and tax collections. Council has too many staffers, the Mayor has too many deputies and directors whose staffs are too large. The city can run more efficiently with consolidate departments stop being so terriorial and downsize just like Corporations. Get the bottom line down.
Posted 01:20 PM, 11/10/2009
concerns25
As for Septa the State government can make them change to binding arbitration, it is their agency not the City's but the City does own the Broad Street Line and El and can pull it from Septa with State approval and avoid all transit going on strike at the same time and crippling the city.
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