Bill Conlin: Can’t evaluate the lineups without a scorecard

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IN A WORLD SERIES comparison, a Tale of the Tape tradition dating to 1903 has matched the combatants by position.

While that gives a picture of relative strengths on an individual basis - third basemen Mike Schmidt and George Brett was a close matchup of 1980 Phillies and Royals stars - it ignores the roles of same-position players in the context of where they hit in the batting order.

Even the heavyweight champion Phillies and Yankees have different rules of engagement as a game unfolds. Let's look at another 1980 matchup of first basemen Pete Rose and Willie Mays Aikens. Rose, the patron saint of win-any-which-way-you-can small ball, was batting No.2 in '80 at a position normally reserved for a power bat. Aikens, the prototypical cleanup hitter, was more the first-base business model. It was a no-brainer to give Willie a lopsided edge in a matchup with the aging Rose. He outhomered Pete by 20-1 that season, drove in 34 more runs.

Ah, but Aikens' 20 homers and 98 RBI were pedestrian numbers for a cleanup hitter. Rose lashed 185 hits, stroked 42 doubles and scored 95 runs while compiling a .352 OBP. Those are fine numbers for a table-setter whose job description is to get on base - he reached 251 times by hit and walk.

So, the edge clearly belonged to Rose when factoring in his contribution to the Phillies' lineup chemistry.

Here is one man's spin on how the Phillies and Yankees match up - not by position - but by positions in the batting order. (Using DH rules and the most recent starting lineups posted by managers Charlie Manuel and Joe Girardi. I am also assuming Raul Ibanez will DH in New York and Ben Francisco will play left. Most AL managers like to put speed in the No.9 spot, but Carlos Ruiz runs well and I think Francisco will bat No.7 behind Ibanez.)

Gentlemen, protect yourselves at all times and let's have a clean, hard fight.

Leadoff: Jimmy Rollins vs. Derek Jeter

The Yankees' captain is a first- ballot Hall of Fame lock. Rollins adds to his credentials year-by-year. Both are run scorers and producers. Give Jeter the edge as a pure hitter, Rollins check marks for power from both sides and speed. Jeter's intangibles are off the charts. Rollins revels on the Big Stage.

RINGS: Rollins 1, Jeter 4.

EDGE: Even.

No. 2: Shane Victorino vs. Johnny Damon

Victorino was depicted on the front page of the New York Post Tuesday wearing a skirt. You've gotta be pretty good to rate a spot normally reserved for "Headless Body in Topless Bar," Bernie Madoff and Jacko. Damon had a huge year for a table-setter - 107 runs, 24 homers, 82 RBI, .282 BA. Shane's numbers were solid, but his edge is in pitcher disruption - 25 stolen bases and his tremendous speed on base. Both are Red Light players.

RINGS: Victorino 1, Damon 1.

EDGE: Victorino.

No 3: Chase Utley vs. Mark Teixeira

The media needs to get used to the idea that even Supermen have slumps. These guys play their roles as engine-room coal stokers superbly most of the time so that whenever one slumps there has to be something "wrong." Both had typically big regular seasons, but Utley had a streak of four straight 100 RBI seasons snapped, although he scored 112 runs and was 23-for-23 in steals. Both have had relatively quiet Octobers. Look for that to change. Teixeira is a Gold Glove first baseman. Chase has made two well-advertised fundamental errors turning DPs. The Phillies run much more at the top of the lineup than the Yankees - they had 79 steals at the top against 44 (30 by Jeter).

RINGS: Utley 1, Teixeira 0.

EDGE: Slim for Teixeira.

Cleanup: Ryan Howard vs. Alex Rodriguez

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Posted 08:08 PM, 10/27/2009
JimEisenreich
jeter and arod both losing, and its still a tie? looks like the yankees have the edge then. thanks bill.
Posted 08:30 PM, 10/27/2009
greekeagle
Now i'm really confused.:-(
Posted 08:42 PM, 10/27/2009
damian41
AROD: .402 OBP, .532 SLG, .933 OPS Howard: .360 OBP, .571 SLG, .931 OPS With both players dominating their respective playoff series, how does Howard have the advantage here? Damon: .365 OBP, .489 SLG, .854 OPS, 24HR, 12SB, 0CS Victorino: .358 OBP, .445 SLG, .803 OPS, 10HR, 25SB, 8CS This one makes even less sense. Unless you think Victorino's defense far outweighs Damon's clearly superior bat....
Posted 08:45 PM, 10/27/2009
theodotius
The whole is greater than the sum of its parts.
Posted 08:51 PM, 10/27/2009
BlairW
a whole lot of analysis to tell us precisely nothing.
Posted 08:59 PM, 10/27/2009
UncleEddie
Wake me up once this dribble of a column is over.
Posted 09:00 PM, 10/27/2009
duckbutter
bILL , u OLD GOAT , YOU SHOULD HAD RETIRED IN 1968. WHEN YOU WERE AN OLD MAN . PLEASE RETIRE. AND GET YOUR BREATHING CHECKED
Posted 09:08 PM, 10/27/2009
The Truth Hurts
Bill, cash your check while you can still get one.
Posted 09:37 PM, 10/27/2009
Preserve Jon
As usual, unbelievable how cruel and uncivil people can be when hiding behind the anonymity of the Internet. I thought it was a different perspective on the typical throw down by position. Nice work, though I'm surprised Chooch fell short. Perhaps 7-8-9 could read Francisco, Ruiz, Feliz? Maybe it's wishful thinking. Feliz's numbers out of the 7 whole are shocking. Doesn't seem like he produces that many runs, though this year he clearly was less of a double-play-machine.
Posted 09:37 PM, 10/27/2009
Nothing but the truth
I JUST LOVE THE AUTOMATIC VIDEO PLAYBACK. PLEASE KEEP THAT FEATURE FOREVER. PLEASE NEVER EVER TAKE THAT AWESOME ADDITION AWAY FROM US. EVER!
Posted 09:58 PM, 10/27/2009
brainsturgeon
Hmmm....I actually read everything to about the halfway point then started skimming through to get to the end quicker. Usually I make it to the 2nd or 3rd paragraph when reading Bill's stuff then space out and hit the Back button. After I pleaded with Bill to retire via email, the 300+ pound former open heart surgery patient called me a "moron" then wrote "It appears you are attempting to destroy me through use of your business web site e-mail address. Cease and desist. Do not reply, as you are blocked." LOL
Posted 10:05 PM, 10/27/2009
BentLogic
they won 7, 8 and 9 spots and they were only even. all the spots to lose you gotta fugure those are the ones. i agree howard blows arod away. the dude is clutch. i just hope the phillies learn how to hit lefties fast!
Posted 10:21 PM, 10/27/2009
krakatoa
Heart: Phillies 1 New York 0
Posted 10:30 PM, 10/27/2009
gwite
I agree with keeping the automatic video playback. We have an average of 8 to 12 articles on one sports team on any given day, but that's clearly not enough. I just have to make sure my mute is always on. How about running a poll to see who is in favor of the playback ??
Posted 10:45 PM, 10/27/2009
gwite
I guess I droned on with my last comment about the auto video playback which is why it wasn't posted. Put the poll out to see he likes it who doesn't. The truth will set it free.
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