Eagles safety Brian Dawkins shook his head in disbelief when the overblown subject of quarterback Donovan McNabb's ignorance about the overtime rules was raised this afternoon.
"To me, that's one of the most ridiculous things ...," Dawkins said. "If you ask cats in this locker room going into that game, did they know the overtime rules were as such, I'm pretty sure the majority of them would have said, 'No, we did not know that,' because it does not come up. We don't sit at the meeting before the game and say, 'Listen, this is what's going on if it's overtime.' It never comes up.
"What you're thinking in an overtime game is that we're going to get the ball and go down and score. It's never going to come to a second overtime. ... I've been a part of it where there was one and we tied with the Baltimore Ravens. I actually knew the rule because I was a part of it. Those guys weren't a part of it."
Dawkins' defense of McNabb lost some steam and logic momentarily after that.
"If we had won that game and he had said what he said, would it be a big deal now?" Dawkins asked the gathered media. "No, it wouldn't be a big deal if we had won that game. But because we lost the game, it's a huge deal and now Donovan is an idiot because he didn't know. ... It's ridiculous."
Of course, McNabb would never have made his infamous disclousure if the Eagles had won because the game would have ended in overtime. It should also be noted that the Eagles did not lose, they tied.
Anyway, Dawkins' point was that too much is being made of McNabb's remarks and he has a point there because it didn't impact the outcome of the game.
Dawkins said when the Eagles played to a 10-10 tie with the Ravens in 1997 that he actually didn't know the overtime rules.
"Call me an idiot," Dawkins said. "I was an idiot in 1997. We went through the first overtime and had another coin toss. I knew there was overtime, but we went through the overtime and had another coin toss. As a matter fact, I might be loopey right now," Dawkins said. "We might not have even played two overtimes. We'll have to go back and look, but from my vast memory ..."
There was only one overtime period in 1997, too.
"See that, now I'm an idiot because I thought we had two," Dawkins said. "I'm an idiot."
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[Posted by splitter 06:16 PM, 11/19/2008
they win the next two and we will all be talkin' playoffs] The Eagles, or the Cowboys?
I gotta do a better job there.
Ilario, as much as I love Buddy Ryan, Randall was held back by him. WHat coach has his QB punting??(other than danny white) Buddy never gave Randall the help he needed or development. He just told him to run around and throw the ball. McBaby is Reid's child, does everything for him. McBaby shows it as well, thats why he acts like a spoiled brat. McBRATT!
Why isn't anyone blaming Jim Johnson and the fact that going out and getting smaller and faster linebackers is what's killing us in this division???!!! Yeah, the play calling stinks and Donovan has no one to throw to (yeah, that's right, it is NOT HIS FAULT THIS TEAM IS WHERE THEY ARE) but our Defense is getting clobbered in this league. Drafting 101 Andy, maybe it's time you allow someone else to have a small amount of power in your universe.
I said the Phillies wouldn't make the playoffs heading into the 4 game Brewers series before the playoffs and look what happened! Im saying the Eagles won't make it either BUT what if???? 11-4-1???? Never mind...they stink
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THIS TEAM IS COMMING APART AT THE SEAMS. IT GETS WORST EVERY DAY. THE 'LEADERS' ARE SOUNDING STUPID AND CAN'T PLAY UP TO NFC EAST STANDARDS FOR THE LAST THREE YEARS UNLESS JEFF GARCIA WAS AT QUARTERBACK. RANDALL CUNNINGHAM WAS AN EXCITING PLAYER AS WAS MCNABB DURNING HIS FIRST FIVE YEARS IN THE LEAGUE. THAT'S ALL ENDED.
The OT issue will be remembered here forever and it will be something McNabbb will have to deal with because it was one of the dumbest things to come out of an athelete's mouth ever
Ive been an eagles fan for 23 years and getting sick of all the controversy with this team! First reid, then mcnabb, and now dawkins. When will it end? Bottom line we need a coach, and a quarterback!! im ready for Colb!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this town concentrates on the pettiest of things--big deal, he didn't know the O.T. rules--get over it and lets go on with the season. so now we're ready to run Dawkins out of town to---incredible--this is the city of what have you done for me lately. ignorance.
they win the next two and we will all be talkin' playoffs
Is it 5 or 10 yards for a first down?...What no overtime? I can't be expected to remember this stuff. I'm too busy counting my millions. Reid and McNabb have gotta go....PLEASE!!!
Yes, if only the commenters coached or played for the Eagles. Hahahahahahahaha.
So many of these mindless rants are testimony to the long recognized lack of intellect on part of a significant number of Eagle fans. They're good at urinating in public, celebrating their manhood by bellowing F-Bombs before women and children and repeatedly trying to master their ability to spell a single English word 'E-A-G-L-E-S'! Can you spell 'BRAINS' you MORONS!
The difference Dawk is that you had not been in the league for 10 years when that happened. McNabb has been an NFL QB for 10 seasons. He has also played in how many OT games.
Do you know what Brady, Favre, the Mannings, Ben Roethlisberger, Kurt Warner, and hell even Trent Dilfer? They all know that a tied game ends in a tie at the end of the OT. Oh, yeah, they all have SB rings during your career as QB.
"No, it wouldn't be a big deal if we had won that game. But because we lost the game, it's a huge deal and now Donovan is an idiot because he didn't know. ... It's ridiculous."
well at least Dawkins is admitting the tie was just as bad as a loss
Dawk you have no clue to go along with your ability to make plays. You are making excuses for others and it just happens to be one you need in your corner as you are failing to do your job. It is a shame that this league is all about what have you done for me lately. I think your career as a regular player is sadly over. You have been such a team guy and played your heart out but it has become very obvious to this poster you are nowhere near at this time able to play the game at this level. I can understand your stand for one of your own but give it a rest it does not matter as this guy who is a professional does not know basic rules in the game? Time for the Obama effect to take place ....Change...and do it now!
Right on, Will.i.am!
Yes. This is so stupid. The coach needs to know. We all know McNabb, even if he did know, wouldnt be able to talk Reid into changing his mind. He is too stubborn
dawkins is the man, he bleeds green, and even as a player makin his millions is more an eagle than any of you phony fans have been or ever will be
Doc Rivers is a great coach, learn more about basketball before trashing a championship winning coach. ask the big 3 on boston and they will tell you Doc keeps that team humble and hungry.
Dawk, I guess We expect our professionals to know the rules as good as the fans. McDope makes a lot of bucks, acts as though He is Gods gift to us, We are frustrated can't You see that. Andy has to go.
Jamerock,
I can't agree with you here. I think that one of the best things during that game done by Reid was to punt the ball with a minute and thirty somethig second. This was smart because they were having trouble running the ball. If the didn't punt and went for it and didn't make it, the Bengals have the ball in Eagle territory and the field goal would have won the game for the Bengals. Smart tactical play.
someone please fine.... the detective.
This is totally over-blown. Who cares whether or not he knew. The problem is that he chokes pretty much everytime he has the chance to. I could care less about the overtime rule, if that's anyone's fault it's Reid's. McNabb's problems go way deeper than not know it would be over after one period.
I've always defended McNabb, but if he couldn't get it done this year ... and he's shown he can't ... he's done. Reid's got to go too. You should win an SB with the talent they've had over the last 7 or 8 years.
your right detective....."this is by far a bigger threat to football"... do you realize that because of Pacman....somone is in a wheelchair for life? wow.... now thats ignorence....
seriously people.... who cares. The game is over and we did not win..... this season is over too. All the haters out there, congrats, you now have a reason to hate Mcnabb. When he's gone, you'll all be sad cause we will be back to the bubby brister days again. This is the best QB we've ever had and you are all going to regret this when he is a bear. Thanx mCnabb for the good you have done, this town has missed it.
I truly enjoy football. Some people have to get up every morning and get that coffee. Every Sunday and Monday (and now Thursday for those with the NFL network, I have to watch some football. In addition, I must say this about football or any undertaking that one embarks upon. When I was training and practicing my martial arts, i was told by a senior black belt, "Learn Your Profession!" With this in mind, there is no excuse that anyone that steps on the field doesn't know or shouldn't know the rules. They are there in black and white. You just didn't start playing the game. You watch it as a kid, while in high school, and college. Hopefully you also watch tapes. I don't blame McNabb for his comment or Dawkins trying to back him up. However, I blame Roger Goodell. Instead of going around the league and fining Pac Man Jones and others for off the field antics, you need to start fining those don't know the game that they are paid for. This is by far a bigger threat to football than a fight in a bar. In fact, this might lead to a fight in a bar, because if I bet somebody $100 and the game is a tie, I'm very mad and upset, just as much as the people that paid a couple of hundred dollars to go watch a tie game.
Dawkins is an old man. He's a tier 2 player at this point in his career. He'll be part of the bodycount at seasons end....he knows this.
I dare some tough guy to walk into that locker room and call McNabb, Dawk and Andy Reid idiots. Go ahead! go in there and give the ma piece of your 2% used minds. Better yet, put on some pads and scrimmage with them you think you're so knowledgeable. I'd like to see Dawk knock you haters helmet first into the ground.
Reading Dawkins' comments is painful. He needs to stay quiet on this, but unfortunately didn't have the self-control. what he says is wrong. McNabb isn't like the other players. He's the QB, in a leadership position and for that reason alone should be teaching THEM the rule. And it goes even further up the ladder. The players shouldn't be relying on the trainers to tell them, as reported by the media. Where where the coaches with this?
Reading Dawkins' comments is painful. He needs to stay quiet on this, but unfortunately didn't have the self-control. what he says is wrong. McNabb isn't like the other players. He's the QB, in a leadership position and for that reason alone should be teaching THEM the rule. And it goes even further up the ladder. The players shouldn't be relying on the trainers to tell them, as reported by the media. Where where the coaches with this?
"the fans care more" and "shows a lack of leadership." this came out of mcnabb saying he didnt know OT ended in a tie? fans and the media are blowing this up. meanwhile, not one word of the real reasons they lose/tie. it's so easy for you mindless posters to say "mcnabb's fault."
OMG these guys make millions of dollars ayear. Just boggles the mind. I knew this from HS ball, how many years have they been in the leauge? omfg! I say F ALL major leauge sports, let these guys go work for a living!
people, let it go. it doesnt effect one thing in the entire world that he didnt know. and to now say something bad about dawkins for saying just that? have any of you ever posted something that didnt include the words cut, trade, or sucks?
some of these players act like this is some obscure rule in the rule book. as if they had to read chapter 37 section 4 3rd paragraph. its common f-in knowledge!
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at least sheldon brown was on radio yesterday saying he felt sorry for the players that didn't know the rules.
I dont believe in the if they knew there was only one ot they would have tried harder garbage because in SUDDEN DEATH OT every possession could be your last so there would be no "trying harder" because it was 2 minutes left. All things being said, Andy needs to go 4th and 1 on the 22 because a tie is as good as a loss as Dawk Freudian slipped.
Another quote from the Eagles Brain Trust: My momma always said, "Life was like a box of chocolates. You never know what you're gonna get."..........."Mama always had a way of explaining things so I could understand them."........ "I don't know if we each have a destiny, or if we're all just floatin' around accidental-like on a breeze. But I, I think maybe it's both."........"I gotta find Bubba!"
MORONS! It's like a politician making a stupid remark in the heat of a campaign. The media and brainless partisans jump all over him/her. Get a life NITWITS! BOTTOM LINE IS THIS . . . the team is mediocre at best! The Reid/McNabb era is over! How many days to Spring Training?
Leon Norr it's (you're) not your,, but we get the point. ;)
Wonderlic Test for Eagles fans?
http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/sports/index.ssf/2008/11/a_wonderlic_test_for_eagles_fa.html
Amen Tozmanian
Continuing to blog about the tie and players not knowing what's in the rule book makes us ALL look like idiots--players AND fans. The entire country is laughing at us--at least those cities that have pro football teams. Drop the subject so we can all forget it and move onto more important subjects like asking Delaware if they would like to have a football team.
Uhh, psv, I live in Virginia so I only listen to national sports talk radio and national sports talk radio is STILL talking about McNabb not knowing the tie rule.
how is dawkins getting bashed by these "fans", he's a leader sticking up for his teammate and everyone on here is bashing him for being what this team needs. I agree that this team is frustrating, but we still have the talent, the play calling stinks, and mcnabb is in a slump. I can't wait til he leaves, like Schmidt, we'll notice how much he ment once he's gone.
Brian Dawkins is a living legend and the only true leader on the team.
Would you expect him not to defend his teammate?
Time to put this stupid issue to bed. Who cares whether any player knew the rule on overtime. It's the coaches who are (or should be) responsible for knowing the rule and communicating it to the players when necessary. I'm sure there are a number of things related to everyone's occupation that they either don't know or don't have to know, but their supervisor, manager, team leader have to know and tell their people when it's appropriate. This is so lame! Please, bury this stupid argument.
The bottom line is.. everyone sitting at home on their couches knew how the OT worked. How can the players not know??? It all goes back to how the fans care more than the players.
We do have a part in the billion dollar team. We pay their salaries. Without us they don't exist. Get a clue Tozmanian. BTW, I only beat the wife when yours asks me to.
Just because something hasn't happened yet, doesn't mean you shouldn't know about it until it happens.
Player, in any sport, never know the rules. And those who officiate sports know this. I'm sure the NFL rulebook is read everyday!! Right.
I wish that all you wanna be GMs and Coaches would just shut up and enjoy the entertainment. Man, the Eagles have been fun to watch for the most part this year. Yeah, you're all perfect and never make a mistake at your jobs and either do your bosses. If any of you had the money, talent or smarts you might be able to have a part in a billion dollar team but ya don't so STFU! Oh yeah, if you really don't like it don't buy tickets and support the team but of course you probably just watch on tv at home and then beat your wives when the birds lose. Mwhahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
---- neither of them sound like college graduates.
The sad part is Andy Reid didn't know about the rule either. That's why he punted with 1:30 left to go. But at least he was smart enough (if you can believe that) not to admit it. The fact is, this level of incompetence is unacceptable by coaches and players making more money than most people will see in their lifetime. I pay hard earned money to go witness what that fat buffoon puts on the field. I guess the jokes on me.
I think all you people need to shut up...who cares, it doesnt matter anymore, its the media and you fans still talking about it, how bout we move on and cheer for a win sunday, remember we are only a half a game out of the playoffs, everyone relax and lets cheer them on. Noone is going anywhere right now so lets go...SHUT UP PEOPLE!!! Idiots, i wonder how many of you knew there was no second ot. I wonder how many fans that are talking sh t didnt know. Unreal...Dawk talk as much as you want. Gibba Mang shut up
Dawkins, I am glad you called yourself an idiot. Remember, it is your JOB to play football and in your job you are required to know the rules. policies and procedure. Stopped caring about the Eagles long ago and happy the Phillies broke the "curse."
"I am an idiot." Yes, you are Dawk.
And there are 'cats in the locker room' that answer questions, now that's weird...
-not bob levy
dapman- Randall was never an elite NFL QB and ONLY EVER WON ONE playoff game in this town with one of history's all time best defenses. McNabb in his prime was light years ahead of cunnigham as a QB and every other QB in eagles history for that matter not named Van Brocklin
I'm tired of this team sucking! I'm tired of the lame excuses from Reid and McNabb.
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dapman- Randall was never an elite NFL QB and never even won a playoff game in this town with one of history's all time best defenses. McNabb in his prime was light years ahead of cunnigham as a QB and every other QB in eagles history for that matter not named Van Brocklin
I'm pretty sure the majority of them would have said, 'No, we did not know that....yeah Dawk, please zip it!
I get paid @ $60K a year and have to know about 500 pages of rules and regulations cold or I lose my job. Case closed. I agree with Bill1966....for godssake, shut up!
the whole franchise becomes more and more despicable by the second...
pitchers and catchers feb 14! go see the world champs instead.
C'm on, Bill. Show some respect.
I dont care what any of the players have to say, the bottom line is knowing that you only have 15 minutes left to play, you are going to push that much harder. If you thought there was going to be another quater you wouldnt have as much sense of urgency. thats the bottom line so dawkins hit the tred mill and get some speed back please!
The only people who care about this are Philly fans. Head over to ESPN and sportsline, no one cares. People care that the Eagles *tied* the Bengals, which is the bigger problem. The Eagles flat out suck. You can pin this on the coach or the QB or whoever fits your agenda, but realistically it's a team effort to suck this badly. The Bears still win in spite of Grossman and Orton, and the Celtics still won in spite of Doc Rivers.
Dawkins should be cut because he didn't know about ties either. Same with Reid, McNabb, the radio announcer, and the rest of the Eagles. Then we should all form our own football team filled with neighborhood kids and see what we can do.
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All Eagles please stop talking! Everyone is laughing at how dumb our players and Coach are. Stop making things worse. Dawkins, When you dig yourself into a hole stop digging!
Dawk, you can kiss McNabb goodbye. If you're not producing as an Eagle, then keep you mouth shut. Ask "For-who, For-what Rickie" about that one. Though he produced, T.O.'s antics got him the boot as well. Don't underestimate the power of the Philly press. Randall Cunningham was light years ahead of Donovan in talent and he got penned out of town. Donovan doesn't have a chance. Not even a Super Bowl (fat chance of that) wouldn't save your buddy.
God Dawk you are as stupid as Mcnabb!
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