Meteorologist fired after responding to viewer who didn't like her hair
Oh, no they didn't! I had to do a double take earlier today after I read about a black TV meteorologist in Shreveport, La., who got fired for responding to a racial remark on Facebook. Guess what sparked the fateful email? The TV personality's closely-cropped natural hairstyle.Unbelievable, right? Here's what Richard Prince's Journal-isms' reported about the social media discussion that led to Rhonda Lee's losing her job:
Meteorologist fired after responding to viewer who didn't like her hair
Jenice Armstrong
Oh, no they didn’t!
I had to do a double take earlier today after I read about a black TV meteorologist in Shreveport, La., who got fired for responding to a racial remark on Facebook.
Guess what sparked the fateful email?
The TV personality’s closely-cropped natural hairstyle.
Unbelievable, right? Here’s what Richard Prince’s Journal-isms’ reported about the social media discussion that led to Rhonda Lee’s losing her job:
“On Oct. 1, a viewer identified as Emmitt Vascocu wrote, ‘the black lady that does the news is a very nice lady.the only thing is she needs to wear a wig or grow some more hair. im not sure if she is a cancer patient. but still its not something myself that i think looks good on tv. what about letting someone a male have waist long hair do the news.what about that (cq).’
Lee replied the same day, ‘Hello Emmitt--I am the 'black lady' to which you are referring. I'm sorry you don't like my ethnic hair. And no I don't have cancer. I'm a non-smoking, 5'3, 121 lbs, 25 mile a week running, 37.5 year old woman, and I'm in perfectly healthy physical condition.
I am very proud of my African-American ancestry which includes my hair. For your edification: traditionally our hair doesn't grow downward. It grows upward. Many Black women use strong straightening agents in order to achieve a more European grade of hair and that is their choice. However in my case I don't find it necessary. I'm very proud of who I am and the standard of beauty I display. Women come in all shapes, sizes, nationalities, and levels of beauty. Showing little girls that being comfortable in the skin and HAIR God gave me is my contribution to society. Little girls (and boys for that matter) need to see that what you look like isn't a reason to not achieve their goals.
Conforming to one standard isn't what being American is about and I hope you can embrace that. Thank you for your comment and have a great weekend and thank for watching.
Vascocu replied that Lee was right to be proud of who she is and that he is not a racist, but ". . . this world has . . . certain standerd (cq). if youve come from a world of being poor are you going to dress in rags?. . .’"
C’mon now. Even if Lee violated her company’s social media policy, an exception should be made in this instance. As someone who’s been there, it’s hard to sit back and let people criticize you because of what grows out of your head naturally.
We’ve come a long way from the days when black women in corporate America were afraid to wear their hair braided or in a short afro for fear of hurting their careers. Although most black women on TV news, still favor straight styles, every so often you’ll see someone rocking a ‘fro or maybe long braids the way Melissa Harris-Perry does on MSNBC. You'd probably see even more if TV personalities weren't so scared of getting the kind of negative attention that Lee got.
“It's ridiculous that the simple act of wearing your hair the way it grows from your scalp can not only solicit negative commentary, but the stereotypes that the person is 'rebellious', 'sick', 'depressed', etc.,” said Nicki Walton, founder of curlynikki.com, a site helps black women learn how to deal with their in its natural state.
“For the textured woman conforming to a straight hair beauty ideal, hair becomes the center of one's agenda,” continued Walton who’s also the author of “Better than Good Hair” (Harper Collins, 2013). “She was serving as a powerful role model to young (and old) Black women because the more these positive images are seen in our everyday lives, at work on TV, etc., the more it will become mainstream. “
Walton's right. This was a teachable moment. Personally, I think Lee responded well given the level of ignorance that the viewer spouted. Something tells me that in the days ahead, the former KTBS employee is going to get a lot of time to share more of her views on this subject.
Forget the hair.....5-3, 125?? Yikes....about 15 pounds too chunky. kelprod2-freemarket
Time to sue the racists who run the station for several million dollars. All over Africa, women look like she does. The station's only hope at this point is to fire all the white men whose hair is shorter than the Beatles wore theirs. orange rhino
Someone please help me understand why the news anchor in Washington state was applauded for her response to someone criticizing her weight, and this beautiful lady was fired? dhudson4
As an aside, we aren't we allowed to comment on Menendez employing a illegal immigrant sex offender? towman
I'd watch her. Bring her to Philly. towman
FIRST OF ALL..There was no policy THAT ANYONE SIGNED regarding social media. THERE WAS SIMPLY AN EMAIL SENT OUT "SUGGESTING" YOU DON'T RESPOND TO COMPLAINTS FROM FANS; THERE WAS ALSO A "CORRECT RESPONSE" ADVISING EMPLOYEES HOW TO RESPOND. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/black-meteorologist-fired-defending-hair-touched-support-article-1.1218782FURTHERMORE...THIS LETTER WAS SENT IN AUGUST OF 2012...SO THERE WAS NO LONG STANDING POLICY IN PLACE. AND THAT WAS A FAILURE ON THE PROJECT MANGERS PART. THERE ARE NO EXISTING LAWS REGARDING SOCIAL MEDIA AND AN EMPLOYEE AND TO FIRE SOMEONE DUE TO THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS IS A VIOLATION OF THEIR CIVIL RIGHTS. THERE SHOULD BE LAWS IN PLACE TO KEEP EMPLOYEES FROM FIRING THEIR WORKERS OVER FRIVOLOUS REASONS, LIKE WEARING AN OBAMA NECKTIE OR WEARING ORANGE TEE-SHIRTS IN SUPPORT OF A CAUSE. THAT SOUNDS LIKE SOMETHING A COMMUNIST WOULD DO...NOT AN AMERICAN. MESSEJ
This another classic example how people who have something to lose should boycott Facebook. Having a Facebook account and being a weather personality and then commenting to some loser who has nothing to lose was a rookie mistake. Facebook does nothing but destroy the rights of normal people and is the playground for kids and losers. If you have anything worth having boycott Facebook. If you're kid or a loser with no future then have at it with Facebook. Speak-truth-2-power
He said he didn't like her short hair. SHE brought in enthnicity into the discussion. I didn't like Sinead O'Conor's hair either or Demi Moore when she shaved it. It didn't have anything to do with her color.
She overreacted and took it to the next level. woody7236
Could the real reason be her T V ratings ? If not, then she has an opportunity to get a much better job in a big city. She should photograph well on T V. Peter of Manassas
NEVER NEVER NEVER respond to a comment about you on your company's social networking site. Rhonda Lee handled it gracefully, but dear God you are opening up a can of worms if you start a dialogue with your audience. It's best to avoid it all together. Sorry you got fired Rhonda, but you shouldn't have responded. You should have let it slide. Let that be a lesson to all of us. Opening your mouth can cause so many problems... Phillynovafreedom
The lady looks great - I like her hair. However, the station that she worked for, and paid her salary, certainly has the right to control the content of their newscasts. The meteorologist wasn't paying for the air time so she had no right to express her views on someone else's dime. Boru
Regardless of how innocent her comment was, and the fact the she stood up for herself. She has an obligation to her company to act in a more professional manner. She should have utilized the proper channels for fighting back, as opposed to taking it to social media. She failed to do so and deserved to be fired. She has created an image of hostility towards the stations viewership. She should have let her PR department handle is issue.
Chunk571
On the bus last month a black female bus driver had a blonde fright wig on with black bow on it. I wonder if she still has a job. DwightinDC
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She is a beautiful woman. Many women with very short hair rock the hairstyle. Her response was educated and respectful to the viewer. I think the reason she was fired was that she dared to include "God" in her response. In our supposedly tolerant society,inferencing God-which is free speech- threatens the socially and politcally insecure, so they fire people like this reporter. mulford71
This is SEXISM, not Racism! She should sue. Vinnie
Rhonda Lee turned into a racial thing by responding as the 'black lady' and then going on about how her hair style is ethnic and she doesnt conform to the European standard, etc. The guy made a dumb comment about her hair style choice, that was it, had nothing to do with race as noted when he said what if a male anchor had hair down to his waist. She turned it into a racial thing - sounds like she is always on ready to pull the card. dontavoidtheobvious
Kinda hot TarHeel Eagle- Somewhere, Don Imus is laughing. TVGuy22
SHE'S GORGEOUS!!!
elbe2k
She looks beautiful and YOU people need to except our her heritage and move on! The white newscaster who was over weight responded to the Doctor that suggested she loose weight and he'd help her do it, she responded nice and professional to him as well and SHE wasn't fired!!!!! And most of the comments on here responding that She was wrong is STUPID! AND EC391981 THANK You for your positive comment!!! NJDiva
If I was her, I would sue her company till the cows come home. woodin
Okay, where is the RACISM?
Mr. Vascocu stated his PREFERENCE and Miss Lee decided to give a somewhat silly -- albeit respectable -- so-called cultural reply. Really, what does being bald or cropped-hairstyled have to do with BLACK AMERICAN CULTURE? How have these hairstyles shaped the thought processes of BLACKS, especially women? Really?
Miss Lee, like most women regardless of race, chose a hairstyle that's right for her and she looks beautiful. But to bring another subject into the matter is just silly. And now, 2 months after the incident, folks are up in arms ready to MARCH on Shreveport, LA. Get real!
And no disrespect to Ms. Armstrong, but if she's really so upset about what happened, then maybe she and other black women should cut their hair to show solidarity for Miss Lee. BALD IS BEAUTIFUL, RIGHT? Cleodine Velvet Jackson
If the weather girl were white and the complainer black, this story would never have seen the light of day. Just more racial pot stirring by Philly.com hawk
@pj: The white meteorologist wouldn't have been criticized about her hair, and if she responded, particularly as politely as this woman did, she wouldn't have been fired. So, yeah, even as a white guy, I can see this is racist. As I said in my previous post, she'd be better off working for people that are better than those she worked for here, because they tried to hide behind bigotry with some sort of social media nonsense. drbob1
it's news in Philly because it's a black woman and the Daily News caters to blacks and angry racists of all colors hoaxandchains
The Inky and DN see racism behind every parking meter. pj katauskas
Well, as long as they don't take Sheena Preeven away from us to replace her.... atlasmc
This is news? Would a white female meteorologist be covered if some nitwit criticzed her hair and she responded and was fired. Why do I think not? pj katauskas
She looks beautiful and she responded very well....I am proud of her! AuthorRtorressadler
She didn't violate policy. There is no written policy (if you morons would read the hyperlinked article). There was a "verbal" policy mentioned in a meeting. There is nothing in the handbook. There is no written policy. Her termination was bullcrap. MichaelZoe
mephisto: Social media policy? get over it, that's a load of bullcrap. I am sure people violate their internet policies every single day in the office and DO NOT get fired for it. This is a convenient way of enforcing the rules to make a statement about a women of color. I'm a white dude and this is a blatant racist act of termination. There are plenty of rules that can be challenged, social media policies are the weakest out there with very little historical context or legal challenges. MichaelZoe
Oh brother. Hair style likes and dislikes are subjective. There isn't a wrong or right any more than there is when someone names their favorite color. The comment on Facebook wasn't racist. It was a personal preference. The response by the reporter was ridiculous and unprofessional. If she's that sensative, she should find another career. If she's so proud about her hair, why did she need to respond? Short hair looks good on some people and not on others in my opinion. Short hair doesn't look good on her. MikeP
This is an edit to my previous comment. The comment was on the TV Station's Facebook account AND another employee, a white male, was fired for doing the same thing (different subject matter). The conclusion is that they were both fired for what they did (unless someone in power has something against them both), not for what they are. lightenup
I like "weather personality" Melissa Magee on channel 6 news. I think I'll write her a letter telling her not to cut her hair. pic man
Truly a news-worthy piece. The quality of which should be in the editorial room of msnbc. junethe4th
She should have the right to communicate as she sees fit, as long as it does not negatively reflect on her T vstation. In this case, it certainly did not. Bobphxville
Rhonda Lee is one gorgeous woman exactly like she is. Her response was very well-written and lovely. What the article doesn't say is where the remark originated. Was it the company's Facebook or other site or was it written to a personal account of hers? That could make a difference. Moreover, I'm unsure why Rhonda Lee felt the need to respond to what is probably one of many inappropriate remarks received from racists who pretend not to be. It would have been wiser for her to address this remark with her employer's approval, perhaps as a short editorial comment while doing the weather. I remember awhile back that another local news person did so and the public backed her all the way. This is just another case of an employer firing someone because they can. Doesn't anyone think before doing anymore? lightenup
She should be commended rather than fired. I have been writing inappropriate and harassing letters and emails to Cecily Tyan for twenty years. To date she has not even given me the courtesy of a response, not even a visit from law enforcement. PhillyBoy
a white male reporter was also fired, can't wait for Jen's follow-up on that. palmyra21
There was NOTHING racial in Emmit's remark. His remark was directed towards the appearance of her HEALTH. I am so sick of the media making anything to do with black people 'racial'. JohnnyL
mephisto
Great life philosophy. Someone writing racist comments to you. Well shut up and take it because your corporate master tells you to. I hope this woman is putting together a lawsuit as we speak. Hemingway- Exactly !!!!
Doogotti2009
Explain this !!!!!
http://www.shape.com/blogs/shape-your-life/tv-anchor-gets-called-fat-takes-down-bully-news-segment Doogotti2009
My company doesn't allow fighting. If someone makes a derogatory remark to me, and I hit them, I will be fired. Company policy. As a news personality, she should have thicker skin. I read a lot of comments on different news sites, and there are some pretty nasty comments about reporters and anchors. Sometimes you have to let things go. Commentdant_Klink
I dont think im crazy or anything but it wasnt to long ago where a TV jounalist was called Fat in LaCrosse, WI and she confronted the person live on television and was not fired or repremanded for it actually she was glorified for confronting her email attacker this is to all that comment that she should not have said anything Doogotti2009
Neither person said anything wrong. Who cares about her hair anyway? Do the news naked like in Russia. NYPHILLYPHAN
obama will intervene. I don't think it's allowed to fire a black person. billy goat
Let the rioting begin! pic man
There wasn't a racist thing that guy said. So, he don't like her hair, what is racist about that. If he had said the same thing to a white woman this wouldn't even be a story. Her reponse was awsome and if she did violate her company policy she should pay the consequences. Firing seems a bit extreme but if that's the policy so be it. The writer want to make an exception, why? I also like the comment of "teaching moment" teach what? How to have thicker skin? jimday
while she should've been disciplined for violating the social media policy, firing her is just rediculous. that conversation couldve been a whole lot worse if she wasn't so professional about it. i dont think she offended the viewer at all. but she'll land on her feet. hopefully at a competing station. write me in- If you read more on it you will find out that there was no written guidline tha said she could not email anyone they couldnt even show her what she violated in the employee handbook
Doogotti2009
I think she knee-jerked at the term "black lady", more so because she was mad the viewer didn't know her name rather than the term "black lady" being an insult.
Of course, a man commenting to a woman about her hair is a disaster waiting to happen. Right next to the unicorn is the woman who is happy with her hair. 2ndNlong
YAWN....Philly.com is now the "race" police. Not one but two "race" stories on the front page today! She's supposed to report the weather not "educate" people. I'm sure her employer has a very clear policy, but that's right, it shouldn't apply to her...Hit delete and move on lady. Why not report on the record breaking murders (again) and corruption in this city. Take a walk down Market Street and look around. How about a story on the poor homeless and clearly sick people sitting all over the pavements?? GetaLife01167
@The_one, you are the ignorant one. Next time set your prejudices aside and READ the article and understand what is going on. This woman was fired for breaking company policy. Its that simple. psyrus
She is better off working for another station, one that will support her. everettsleon
Its amazing just how inflammatory this "news" outlet and its "writers" are these days. This woman was fired for breaking policy not defending her choice of hair style. Please stop trying to make news. Why not try reporting on news and maybe you will last a little longer... psyrus
It has nothing to do with race, her comments, the guys comments. She violated her companies policy. Sidewinder7
It is truly a shame that we are still dealing with racism in 2012, and for any of you who say that it has nothing to do with that, is totally ignorant. I am a natural and am very proud of my African heritage. I work in at a television station and wore my hair in an afro..I can feel the eyes piercing at me but I didn't care, I wore it with confidence. People didn't really respond to it until 2 wks later how they "like it" and thought it was " so cool" if that were the case why did it take you so long to respond lol smh!! I could say a lot more concerning this but I won't. Rhonda Lee wear that afro with pride girl and enjoy that money your about to get paid! :-) The_one
It is truly a shame that we are still dealing with racism in 2012, and for any of you who say that it has nothing to do with that, is totally ignorant. I am a natural and am very proud of my African heritage. I work in at a television station and wore my hair in an afro..I can feel the eyes piercing at me but I didn't care, I wore it with confidence. People didn't really respond to it until 2 wks later how they "like it" and thought it was " so cool" if that were the case why did it take you so long to respond lol smh!! I could say a lot more concerning this but I won't. Rhonda Lee wear that afro with pride girl and enjoy that money your about to get paid! :-) The_one
It is truly a shame that we are still dealing with racism in 2012, and for any of you who say that it has nothing to do with that, is totally ignorant. I am a natural and am very proud of my African heritage. I work in at a television station and wore my hair in an afro..I can feel the eyes piercing at me but I didn't care, I wore it with confidence. People didn't really respond to it until 2 wks later how they "like it" and thought it was " so cool" if that were the case why did it take you so long to respond lol smh!! I could say a lot more concerning this but I won't. Rhonda Lee wear that afro with pride girl and enjoy that money your about to get paid! :-) The_one
You don't get to break the rules and you are not special, so go find another job. ricciaje
Wait a minute, so short hair is an "ethnic" look? Does that mean Miley Cyrus and Anne Hathaway are black? LouDiamondPhillipsheadScrewdriver
beware social media cm3737
I see nothing wrong with her response. In fact, it was a very reasonable response and politely substantiated her reason for the short hair. No grounds for firing.... dogman5
Rhonda Lee is cute and I'd do her MrBigDizzle
The weather reporter should have thanked the viewer for his compliment (being a nice lady) and thanked him for his concern about her health (cancer). When you are a T.V. personality, you are a public figure. Learn to deal with the public. People are stupid. DwightinDC
Actually, her response was rather condescending and haughty. Here's how I would have written it: "Hello Emmitt, Thank you for your comments. However, I prefer my natural, short style over the use of straighteners, extensions, or wigs. " That's all; no need to school the ignorant on the internet-- the cancer comment indicates ignorance over actual malice. There's a reason they have social media policies. Her response did nothing to help her or her detractor. Everyone should read "How to Win Friends and Influence People". That being said, firing was a ridiculous response when a mere internal written reprimand would have sufficed. operagost
I find the letter well written. However, she did break the rules. When you're in the public spotlight you will get criticized no matter how good you look or how well you do your job. Get over it. Was it worth your job? In any case I hope this attention gets her a better job. Niko
No, we need more "but her faces" like Parveen. Maybe the woman should get some ridiculous implants too . . . PhoenixSC
Lol. All you need to do is read the kindergarten-level verbal vomit and poor attempt at grammer put forth by the LA hillbilly to understand who you are dealing with. Redneck ignorant hillbilly racists. Or, in other words, a southern conservative. CiceroSpuriousDeodatusTheSecond- Why was she fired? For being intelligent and competent? Her response (assuming all of it was printed) was about as polite as possible and quite informative.
"......a CLOWN is no good without an audience...." My personal quote for the aforementioned story & subsequent response that triggered an employment termination. frank castle
I'd like to play with her hair. Tyrone Biggums
Why was she fired? She responded intelligently and pleasantly to the person's comment. She didn't call him names, but instead explained her viewpoint. And for this she was fired? Give that woman a talk show! Jen D
no reason for her to be fired, none at all! advantasux
This is disgraceful. I can't see what the woman did wrong. She was polite, didn't embarrass her station, what more could she have done?
I thought she handled the situation appropriately. #1withabullet brought up a good point. If her company had a no social media policy, and she went there, she is probably up the creek without a paddle, and that would be sad. Joe198
Backwater town, backwater attitude. MikeK
I guess that the rule must be that you can't respond in any way because that response was much more professional than the creep deserved. I guess employers will just keep looking for reasons to fire people until the job market is such that employees can choose not to work for jerks like the folks at the Shreveport TV station. drbob1
her "professional response" was against policy. so like anyone else she is fired. stayoutofphilly
How in the world are you going to fire a woman who does her job, is beautiful, and has such a nice smile? Thank God most people think like we're in 2012 not 1952. As long as she does her job who cares. fjulio
She looks fine to me. Her answer seemed appropriate, and she'll get hired by a bigger network harbo
I was all set to jump all over this.... but I do not see anything racial about the original comment that was made. He did not comment on the texture of her hair or the direction it grows -- he commented on it being short and that he didn't like it. He is allowed to express his opinion, and there was nothing racial about it. Saying "the black lady", while insensitive, is not racist. THe guy is obviously a bit naive, but clearly this chick is over-sensitive and overreacted. Still I see no reason she should have been fired... unless I skipped something? KingOfPhilly
I'm from where she has the meteorologist... I totally agree with her comments, but she was not my favorite one to watch. But I wouldn't put it past KTBS for firing her for that. The same week they fired another reporter for answering a question about his sexuality. Disneysteph- What a stuiped non story. It' Shreveport, La for God's . Who really cares?
I don't get it. Fired. For what? jimmypx
It is understandable that corporations put social media policies in place but this is ridiculous. The viewer's statement was rude and she addressed him in a very professional manner. Kudos to you Rhonda Lee. I hope a competing station hires you. beachluvr
Sista looking good for 37.5 even with that fade. Probably should have kept the inner angry black woman inside of her. DoctorLoads
Termination? Unfair - her response was measured and (unlike the viewer) was respectful and professional. Good for her, bad for her former employer.
dailydose
Natural hair looks refreshingly good on a news person. This one sounds like a good thinker, too. With some backbone. A TV station with a little courage and integrity would hire her right back. armchairGM
Lousy-ana P2will
I agree, firing was way to harsh for simply violating a workplace policy of this nature. No harm was done to the TV station or its reputation. Looks like they were using this an an excuse to get rid of her. Grapost
She got FIRED for that?! sobjoe24
Comment removed.- Throwing down the race card? First off, it was the ignorant commentor who brought up race. Secondly, she tried to educate the commentor by explaining that was her natural hair via a professional and thoughtful response.
daxtremesolja
There's no reason to fire her, other than the fact it's Louisiana. Bruce in NM
So quick to call the viewer ignorant. Pretty judgmental. Nezhy
A beautiful lady loving herself and by default all black woman. Thank you! Recyclebutterfly
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Great piece Jen. She should not be fired for that response. reek3232
Wake me when the insults get real. joedog
Why do people feel the need to comment on what people on TV look like, or what they wear? Why do people feel as if the anchors need to conform to our standards. How anyone can find her comments to be racist I don't know. As a white male I feel like she looks professional, and doesn't look sick, or unhealthy. Unbelievable she was fired. EC391981
How can you even think about her hair when you can look at that face. Look at that face. She is a beautiful girl (I can call her a girl, I am easily old enough to be her father). And she is wearing one of more than a zillion hairstyles that women wear today. If the fellow who made the comments wants a weather person with long blonde hair I expect he can find one on another station. We would probably love her in this town. OldSouthPhilly
I love her answer...did not think it was unprofessional at all. She's a pretty girl. Gray Areas
She is the racist.... Inconvenient Truth...now go away. sillybilly- @sillybilly, your name speaks for itself. Now go back down your momma's basement and finish playing your favorite game, Chutes & Ladders. TopCat#1
Im a white male and in no way was her response unprofessional. Shes proud of who she is. What right does a veiwer have to tell her how to wear her own hair? She should file suit on this one. hipdaddy- C'mon, this is not a fireable offense. The lady respectfully responded with a level of class and dignity actually not deserving of the fool-poster. I hope the ownership of that station sees the error of their ways, apologize to the lady and give her job back to her. It never pays to put your public face in any internet forum as the end result here shows......
And besides, short hair or not, she is a very beautiful woman..... - She was fired because she violated her company's social media policy. Was it frivolous? Who cares? We all (professionals anyway) sign code of conduct disclosures as a condition of employment. You break those rules, you're gone. Why is this so hard to understand?
And this nonsense whether it was warranted? So what. She is in the public eye everyday. If anything she needs to have a thicker skin than the rest of us is she is going to last in that position. Sheesh. mephisto
Yawn... ghostinthemachine99
Might fine lookin' for a 37.5 year old. aviator
I think she looks great, beautiful in fact. Her reply was not nasty, it was tastefully done, why on earth has she been fired? Elderlee- why is this news in philadelphia?
hannibal barca - I prefer the natural look as opposed to some flashy wig. However, that is immaterial. Fact is that she broke the rules which still may have put and still may have put the station in a poor position. If she was a superstar, perhaps a different path would be taken, but these on air people are very expendable.
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