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Thursday, June 25, 2009

If I may analyze the Sixers' selection of UCLA guard Jrue Holiday from the perspective of a college basketball observer instead of a pro basketball observer...

We don't see a lot of Pac-10 basketball on the East Coast. This is in part because the conference's games are on Fox Sports Net, whose telecasts CSN doesn't always pick up, and in part because the big games are often at 10 p.m. our time.

So let's look at Holiday's stats from this past season, his only one in college basketball. Holiday averaged 8.5 points, 3.7 assists, 3.8 rebounds and 1.6 steals in an average of 27.1 mintues per game. He shot 45.0 percent from the field, 30.7 percent from three-point range and 72.6 percent from the free throw line. Collison played in 35 games this past season, starting in 34.

To me, those numbers aren't indicitative of the kind of top talent that we heard Holliday described as when he arrived at Pauley Pavilion - especially the single-digit points per game.

Then I look at this quote from Bob Cooney's live blog of the Draft:

[John] Smallwood says you had to do it, because if he was able to come straight out of high school, he would have been a number one pick. Like I said earlier, he is a guy who gives them a couple of years. He is a project with good skills. [ESPN's Jay] Bilas called him a top-ten talent. Satisfied fans?

And these quotes from Tony DiLeo:

He was one of the guys we liked. We tried to move up a little bit but couldn't, very fortunate cause he dropped to us. He's exactly what we wanted. Bug guard and can play a lot of different combinations. He could be a great fit for our team. He's a very good defender, which is rare for ayoung player. He was the top player in high school coming out.

We interviewed him in Chicago, didn't have him in for a workout because we thought he'd go in the top 10. He told us that he was never jealous of [Darren] Collison at UCLA. That was a situation where he didn't get to develop his point guard sills in his one year there. Don't want to put pressure on him. I think defensively he can come in and play. He can definitely play. We ween't looking at him to come in and make an impact next season, we're looking further ahead of that. We'ere still a work in progress as a team and we still want to do some things. He compared himself to Deron Williams of the Utah Jazz.

Well, I was under the impression that the Sixers needed point guard help right now. Holiday might not have been jealous of Darren Collison, but a lot of people expected to see Holiday put up better numbers than he did regardless of his place on the depth chart.

And in perhaps UCLA's highest-pressure game of the year, the NCAA Tournament second-round matchup against Villanova, Holiday scored only four points on 1-of-6 shooting in 27 minutes. He dished out seven assists, but also committed four turnovers.

If Holiday turns out to be as good as Deron Williams, that will be great. But Williams led Illinois to the national championship game, and in general built a far deeper resumé in college than Holliday has. That kind of experience counts a lot to me, but I know that NBA scouts often look at athleticism and upside more than past accomplishments.

(That's a polite way of saying what I really think about what's been wrong with the NBA for most of this decade.)

It's all well and good that Holliday wants to disprove some of the negative perceptions that people have of him, as he said on ESPN after his name was called. But if it was up to me, I would have chosen a more proven commodity.

Specifically, I would have taken North Carolina's Ty Lawson. When you have the chance to own the straw that stirred the most explosive drink in college basketball over the last three seasons, I don't think you should pass it up.

I don't care if he's only 5-foot-11. He's got fantastic speed, great court vision, and can score from both the lane and the perimeter. He also knows how to run system-based offenses, and Eddie Jordan is a system-based coach.

Granted, it's not the same kind of system Lawson orchestrated at Carolina, but in terms of how Jordan wants the ball to move around, I think Lawson would have handled it quite well.

And I think it's of no small significance that Lawson was taken with the very next pick by Minnesota, even if he was later traded to Denver.

After Lawson, the next three picks were Wake Forest's Jeff Teague, Virginia Commonwealth's Eric Maynor and UCLA's Darren Collison - putting the Holiday pick in even more context.

Personally, and again, I'm writing this as a college basketball observer, I think all of the above guards had better seasons than Holiday. Again, I'm using the experience-over-upside argument, but I also read in the Inquirer that Maynor was considered by scouts to be "NBA-ready."

In particular, I think Lawson and Collison were the best point guards in college basketball over the last few seasons by a considerable margin. Holiday may well have more "upside" than Collison, but Collison was a great controller of tempo and flow of the game when he was on the court.

(Though my opinion of him definitely went down a notch when he criticized Villanova's physicality after the NCAA Tournament game.)

With all that said, what matters most is how the players do on the floor from this point forward. Perhaps Holiday will turn out to be a star, and he'll become the kind of leader the 76ers envision.

But in the present tense, I would feel a lot better had the Sixers drafted Lawson.

What do you think?

Posted by Jonathan Tannenwald @ 10:19 PM  Permalink | File Under: National | | Riffs | 26 comments
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Posted 10:42 PM, 06/25/2009
elbinkogrande
If Andre Miller does, indeed, depart, the Sixers are in BIG trouble. Would feel a lot more comfortable turning the keys to the car over to a Lawson or Maynor. HOWEVER, if perchance, Miller returns, then it's conceivable that the Sixers got one of the steals of the draft. TBD I suppose ...
Posted 11:19 PM, 06/25/2009
philly262
That's why college basketball fans can't enjoy the NBA, the NBA works off potential, that's why teams draft guys like Lebron over Carmelo, Howard over Okafor and that's why Mario Chalmers went in the second round last year. Holiday will be a very good pick, just because he's a freshman and he was misused at UCLA doesn't mean he won't be a good pro. Think about Rajon Rondo, was a highly touted pg out of Oak Hill, who had two bad seasons at Kentucky because they didn't use him right, and because of that he lasted until mid 20s to Boston. And I think he turned out pretty decent.
Posted 11:43 PM, 06/25/2009
riles1875
Maybe this will turn out to be a great pick, but for now Philly will continue to give more attention to the Big 5 than it does to its professional basketball team.
Posted 11:50 PM, 06/25/2009
stigs
they're not playing for a championship next year. for some reason a lot of scouting reports had lawson as a career backup-- i disagree. Holiday has better NBA measurables, plays defense, and he played two-guard last year. If and when this team blossoms in a few years, Holiday is the guy you're gonna want at point
Posted 12:06 AM, 06/26/2009
rich729
Lawson was taken with the very next pick because someone made an offer to Minnesota for them to draft him. It was not because they wanted him.
Posted 12:18 AM, 06/26/2009
Matt M.
yep, well summed up stigs. right now we are in basketball purgatory -- either low lottery pick/1st round playoff exit for the foreseeable future. since relatively few players contribute to a basketball team as compared to the other major sports, i'd rather take a shot on star potential than someone who is a lock to have a decent career in our position.
Posted 12:19 AM, 06/26/2009
snarque
rich729 called it -to denver for future first rounder
Posted 12:20 AM, 06/26/2009
Matt M.
this blog seems to have more reasonable commenters than the other basketball blogs. i think the "logic" in the name scares away some of the pessimistic idiots.
Posted 12:38 AM, 06/26/2009
bv437
i think you should stick with writing about girlzzzzzzzzzzz basketball
Posted 12:54 AM, 06/26/2009
NEMark
Holiday pick was fine. Holiday is expected to be a good defender, unlike Lawson. Really can't complain about what the Sixers have done with their draft picks since Larry Brown took Hughes over Pierce. Sixers still badly need an upgrade at SG and C. They should consider trading Young or Speights for a stud SG.
Posted 01:35 AM, 06/26/2009
lbc76er
You compare Holiday unfavorably to Deron Williams based on Williams' "far deeper resume"-- but fail to point out that college resume was 3 years long, while Holiday only played one college season. Williams freshman numbers-- 6.3ppg, 3.0rpg, 6.2apg-- don't really jump out any more than Holiday's. Holiday didn't play the point, so has fewer assists, but he also scored more and had more rebounds. Oh, yeah, he played defense, too-- 1.6 stls per game... as a freshman. Love this pick. I love Lawson, too-- but name any player under 5'11" (and trust me, Lawson's only 5'10") who had any real impact in the NBA. Lawson will be a solid backup, but has no chance at being an everyday starter.
Posted 01:58 AM, 06/26/2009
John E Cat
Who Cares. The Sixers would still SUK if they had the #1 pick. They have no talent and neither did this draft.
Posted 02:20 AM, 06/26/2009
incog69
Using college stats to evaluate NBA potential is not a wise thing to do. Often, the NBA bound perimeter player is big for his position at the college level and hence does not get to play it. Holiday is a good example of this. Clearly he was the better point guard on UCLA, but Collison was their second best player and so he had to be on the court. Since Collison is a little guy, he played the point. One detail about Holiday that Sixers fans will love is that scouts have been raving about his defense for the last two years. He's big, he's smart, he's got fast feet, he's got huge hands, he'll be a very good NBA point guard. Another tid bit related to college athletics: it is hard to believe that in America we prevent people from achieving their dreams when they are ready in the eyes of their prospective employers. If you are an NBA bound high school player, go to Europe for a year and play pro ball, a la Brandon Jennings. While college basketball doesn't deserve the top talent playing for them for free, at least they could have more year to year consistency with their teams if they don't force the top tier to put in a year and then leave.
Posted 02:38 AM, 06/26/2009
sla6yer
Jonathan- If you have a problem with the NBA drafting for potential rather than success in college you should write about it. Cause while you're (hinting) at it here you're also dissing Holiday...after admitting you haven't watched him play much. That's dumb, it's a good pick. BTW, it's time to take down the Tyler Hansbrough poster.
Posted 03:08 AM, 06/26/2009
JimG
The Sixers weren't going to get anyone at the #17 pick who would be ready to step right in and be a top flight PG immediately. The Sixers are obviously going to try to re-sign Miller and they are looking for someone to groom at the PG position. Draft Lawson? He's too short and Lou Williams is barely 6'1. You want a tiny backcourt of the future like that? Holiday is 6'4 and gives them good size at the PG position. It seems pretty silly to admit that you haven't watched Holiday play and then try to critique his play. He was playing at UCLA so he wasn't going to have monster stats as a freshman anyway because there was a lot of talent around him. Plus, he's not a SG, he's a PG, so he was never expected to put up a ton of points and he was playing out of position because UCLA already had Collison at the PG position. You can't just sit back and look at college stats to tell you how good of a player a guy is. The Pac 10 coaches voted Holiday to their all-freshman team so the guys who know basketball and watched him play were impressed with his play. Lawson only averaged 10.2 points per game as a freshman at UNC so it's not like he just blew people away as a freshman either.
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