Posted: Sunday, January 17, 2010, 11:37 PM | 20 comments |
 
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You might find Dick Jerardi's column about Temple just a bit controversial too.

I wasn't even two years old yet when Villanova beat Georgetown in the 1985 national championship game. But I've been under the impression for a long time that whenever the Wildcats and Hoyas get together, it's supposed to be a big deal.

That famous night 25 years ago is certainly a factor, but there's a lot more to it than just one game. Both schools are Catholic, though one is Jesuit and one is Augustinian. Both schools are relative neighbors on the Amtrak corridor, and whenever they meet both schools have fans in each other's arenas. And both are longtime members of the Big East, with Georgetown a charter member and Villanova joining a year later.

These days, there are 16 teams instead of 8, and it seems like almost every conference basketball game is a big deal. Which has its upsides, especially if you're ESPN. But even though all games are supposedly equal, aren't some more equal than others?

It's a big deal when Syracuse and Connecticut get together. It's a big deal when Syracuse and Villanova get together, and it's become a big deal when Villanova and Pittsburgh get together. There are also still flickers of light in what used to be an epic rivalry between Syracuse and Georgetown.

So what happened to Georgetown and Villanova? Their meeting in Washington will be on ESPN, but today's game wasn't nationally televised. Villanova-Louisville got a lot more hype even though the Cardinals aren't ranked.

After the Wildcats beat the Hoyas yesterday afternoon, I put the question to both coaches: Is Georgetown-Villanova still a special game, or is it the same as the rest of the Big East schedule?

Judge for yourself, but I think their answers were pretty clear. Here's what John Thompson III said:

Is it special? Yes, Every game is special. and the older you get as a person - as a player, they definitely realize it. There's such a finite number or games that you're going to be able to play.

And so every time you step on the court it's special. Because at some point that's going to come to an end. And so is Georgetown-Villanova special? Absolutely.


And here's what Jay Wright said:

What really comes to mind with Georgetown is that they're very tough for us to play because they play the exact opposite style. They like to keep the tempo down, they like that half-court, grind it out. We like to go up and down. So that's really what we look at.

And we really can judge ourselves by how we're playing against them, because you've got to be able to play in the half-court also. So if we're able to do that and execute against them and defend in the half-court, then we have a chance to be a pretty good team.


You can hear the full press conferences in the audio player below.

Maybe I'm the one who's wrong about this, and Georgetown-Villanova doesn't matter too much anymore. But I didn't get that the impression in the arena and on Twitter this afternoon.

What do you think?



Posted by Jonathan Tannenwald @ 11:37 PM  Permalink | File Under: Villanova | 20 comments
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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:58 PM, 01/17/2010
    If it is not special, that's Georgetown's fault. Regardless of what the teams' recent history is during the regular season, the Hoyas have not been a factor in the NCAA tournament on a consistent basis recently. Villanova has been a factor. The rivalry needs a boost; the teams have to play a meaningful game during the Final Four. In other words, when the "rivalry" begins with arguably the biggest upset in NCAA tournament history, you have nowhere else to go but down.
    mcmahon88
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:39 AM, 01/18/2010
    The original Big East had 9 teams, not 8.
    sil campusano
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:50 AM, 01/18/2010
    I know for a fact that the 1985 rivalry really started in about 82 or 83. The players had played against each other in H.S., AAU etc. Also, G-town was a national power at that time and I know a player or two on the Nova squad that was personally offended that Thompson didn't try and recruit them. There were player matchups that went on for 3-4 years during that time like Pinkney/Ewing, Mike Jackson/Gary McLain, Dwayne McClain/David Wingate, Not to mention throw ins like Harold Pressley, Bill Martin & Reggie Williams. The Nova ball players didn't back down from the Hoyas like everybody else so they were good contests.
    nceagle
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:59 AM, 01/18/2010
    Sil, by my count there were seven in 1979 and Villanova made eight in 1980...
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:12 AM, 01/18/2010
    I believe 20,000 fans at the Wachovia Center on Sunday thought the game is still very special . Go 'Cats .
    Joe R.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:12 AM, 01/18/2010
    I believe 20,000 fans at the Wachovia Center on Sunday thought the game is still very special . Go 'Cats .
    Joe R.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:19 AM, 01/18/2010
    It's a big game but its more of a friendly riverly. Most people who go to either school have friends and family at the other school or went to the other school. I feel the fan base has a mutual respect for each other. Syracuse is a different story though.
    blue&white
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:27 AM, 01/18/2010
    That's an absurd question. It matters a great deal to alumni and students of Villanova University. It's ALWAYS a great day in Nova Nation when Villanova beats Georgetown. Perhaps this isn't a sexy game in the eyes of the media when one team or the other is down, but it means a great deal to the Villanova faithful. I agree wholeheartedly with the earlier post that Syracuse is another story entirely...
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:49 AM, 01/18/2010
    Jerardi's comment isn't all that controversial. The empty seats you see on TV were installed for the locals. All of the alumni in the region (and there are a pile of them) need to step up and start supporting their alma mater.
    Mike P
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:58 AM, 01/18/2010
    Interesting that the Washington Post article (and by the way, I love the links to other papers' articles--please keep that up!) barely mention Reynolds at all, just saying he was from nearby Virginia and scored 27.
    Icemannj
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:27 AM, 01/18/2010
    The Georgetown game still matters to me but I haven't lived in the Philly area since '86 when I graduated. I was at VU from '82 to '86 and even before the Championship game in '85 the Georgetown game was a big deal. Georgetown was perenially a top 5 team back then too ...
    mpwalsh8
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:31 AM, 01/18/2010
    The only reason this game wasn't nationally televised was because of the NFL. ESPN had the rights and wasn't going to bump Sunday countdown during the playoffs. This game is still important to all the G'town and Nova fans.
    SoCal
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:54 AM, 01/18/2010
    Special or not it was a good game!
    cuso20
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:57 AM, 01/18/2010
    Anyone who argues that the Nova v. Gtown game doesn't matter is crazy. Anytime a top ten team is playing the 11th ranked team its a big game. When its a conference game its an even bigger game. It also has an impact on recruiting. Nova and Gtown go head to head in recruiting high school talent every day. Nova's Reynolds, Armwood and Yarou all played high school bball in the DC/Baltimore area. Last year's seniors Dante Cunningham and Dwayne Anderson were DC area products. Villanova recruited Gtown's Chris Wright, who decided first to go to NC State. When Coach Sendak left State Wright considered Nova but Nova had already received a commitment from Corey Fisher. Nova v. Gtown games are very important for multiple reasons, even if both teams don't meet in the Final Four again.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:57 AM, 01/18/2010
    Anyone who argues that the Nova v. Gtown game doesn't matter is crazy. Anytime a top ten team is playing the 11th ranked team its a big game. When its a conference game its an even bigger game. It also has an impact on recruiting. Nova and Gtown go head to head in recruiting high school talent every day. Nova's Reynolds, Armwood and Yarou all played high school bball in the DC/Baltimore area. Last year's seniors Dante Cunningham and Dwayne Anderson were DC area products. Villanova recruited Gtown's Chris Wright, who decided first to go to NC State. When Coach Sendak left State Wright considered Nova but Nova had already received a commitment from Corey Fisher. Nova v. Gtown games are very important for multiple reasons, even if both teams don't meet in the Final Four again.


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About Jonathan Tannenwald
I fell in love with the Big 5 at first sight upon moving to Philadelphia in 2002. At various points in my journalistic career, I've covered all six of the region's Division I teams. During that time, I've eaten many soft pretzels from the Palestra's concession stands, which is how this blog got its name.

I write primarily about the University of Pennsylvania and the Ivy League, but I also cover the other basketball and football teams across the city from time to time. In the spring, you'll find coverage of the Penn Relays here.

In addition to all of that, I write Philly.com's soccer blog, The Goalkeeper.

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