Schuylkill 16

Friday, November 13, 2009

This isn't really a preseason version of the poll, because the season is already underway. And it's not really fair to call it a Week 1 poll, because there hasn't been a full week of games yet for all the teams.

So we're going to call this the Opening Week edition of the Schuylkill 16. The next edition of the rankings will appear here on Wednesday, Nov. 25. We'll call that Week 3, and go from there.

It's not easy to do a ranking at this point in the season because we have so little information to work from. But we have plenty of comments to make up for it.

We also have what I will politely call an outlier in the first-place voting. Make fun of him as you wish.

On a less light note, I've added a new feature this year that I'm calling the Progression. It's a bit math-heavy, but I think it's sort of interesting. It works something like this.

Theoretically, if every voter cast the exact same ballot, the progression of points (thus the title) would be a straight line. Multiply the number of voters times one for the first place team, times two for the second place team, and so forth.

The chart that you'll displays the progression of points from the ballots that were cast compared to that straight line. I think it's got some kind of official name, but I haven't taken a math class in a really long time. If you know, post something in the comments.

Finally, a special thanks to the many new voters out there. Tf you want to join the party, just email me. The more the merrier.

I'll be back at around 6:45 for live coverage of Drexel at St. Joe's from courtside at Hagan Arena. See you then.

1. Villanova, 29 points (26 first-place votes)
- "You can pencil in #1 for 'Nova all season long. There is no team in the area better than the Wildcats." (Mike Birnbaum)
- "Has a lot of pressure on them with the pre-season No. 1 pick in the Big East." (Ryan Wixted)
- "A lot of expectations this year, but they won't need another Final Four run to stay #1 in this poll.  This could be the only team in the S16 to make the tournament." (Nick Catrambone)

Agree or disagree?

- "If Villanova legitimately drops out of the top spot in this poll, I'll jump in the Schuylkill." (Neil Fanaroff)

And there's your pith of the week.

2. Temple, 84 points
- "Really curious to see how they handle the first couple of weeks. Ryan Brooks and Lavoy Allen are going to have to step up the scoring with the loss of Dionte Christmas." (Ryan Wixted)
- "Depending on how well Brooks and Allen take the lead Temple's season could go south. (Max Wheeling)
- "It's going to be fun getting to watch Juan Fernandez for a full season. Might be the most exciting player in the area." (Mike Birnbaum)

Shall we start handicapping the Geasey Award now?

- "Unfortunately for Fran and gang, Christmas only came for 4 years." (Fred David)

3. La Salle, 110 points
- "Aaric Murray could put La Salle back into the post-season this year." (Mike Birnbaum)
- "In my mind, the Explorers have the best shot at finishing second in the S-16 this year." (Josh Wheeling)
- "Dr. John has his best team yet at La Salle.  An at-large bid in the tourney is a stretch but it's a step in the right direction for the program." (Nick Catrambone)
- "Giannini's fingerprints are all over this team and he finally has the right pieces in place to make a run in the A-10." (Ryan Wixted)
- "La Salle will beat Villanova and return to the NCAA tournament." (Charlie Wohlrab)

That would be quite a result, wouldn't it? The teams meet Nov. 28 at the Pavilion.

4. Penn State, 112 points
- "Penn State could be a real sleeper in the Big Ten this year." (Terrence D.)
- "Wins in the Big Ten will be hard to come by this year, so a lot will have to go right for another 10-8 conference record." (Nick Catrambone)

5. Saint Joseph's, 154 points
- "It's going to be a rough year in a tough A-10 for the Hawks.  Govens and Williamson are a nice backcourt, but they'll need others to step up for St. Joe's to have a respectable season." (Nick Catrambone)
- "The loss of Nivins and Carr will lead to a significant drop off for St. Joseph's and lead to a fairly one-sided Holy War." (Max Wheeling)
- " I think they can make a run late and hang in a competitive A-10." (Ryan Wixted)

6. Rutgers, 185 points
- "I think they're trying to hide something from us: 10 straight home games against cupcakes to open the year.  Whatever success they have early will end in January, another year at the bottom of the Big East for the Scarlet Knights." (Nick Catrambone)

7. Drexel, 187 points

8. Penn, 235 points
- "Penn's margin of defeat for their two games this weekend might be 70. Just once I'd like to be the big dog opening the season against a cupcake." (Neil Fanaroff)
- "I can feel it in the air; this is the year for the Quakers!" (Fred David)

In basketball or women's lacrosse?

9. Rider, 248 points
- "I probably have Rider way too high, but I like that first place vote they got in the MAAC preseason poll." (Brian O'Neill)
- "Great non-conference challenges for Rider in November with trips to Mississippi State, Virginia, Kentucky, and Cancun. Talk about scheduling tough. I can't wait to work on my tan in Cancun!" (Steve Rudenstein)

A special welcome to Steve, who is the Broncs' radio broadcaster.

10. Princeton, 276 points

11. Delaware, 297 points

12. Lehigh, 299 points
- "Can someone explain the difference to me between Lehigh and Lafayette?  Is it the same school?  I've always been confused by this." (Terrence D.)

The one hosts Eagles training camp and the other hosts Crayola. Right?

13. Bucknell, 303 points
- "They might be the biggest team in the Patriot League, but I'm not sure if there's enough talent." (Nick Catrambone, who has clearly done his homework)

14. Lafayette, 369 points
- "The biggest question mark in the S16." (Nick Catrambone, again)

15. Monmouth, 389 points

16. Delaware State, 399 points



 

Posted by Jonathan Tannenwald @ 3:22 PM  Permalink | File Under: Drexel | | La Salle | | Penn | | Penn State | | Saint Joseph's | | Schuylkill 16 | | Temple | | Villanova | 5 comments
Monday, November 9, 2009

I'm headed to Temple basketball media day, but I wanted to get this out there before then. The Schuylkill 16 is coming back this season, and I'm looking for new voters to join the existing group. If you are interested, email me and I'll get you set up.

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Wednesday, March 11, 2009

ATLANTIC CITY - I admit this was supposed to get out before today's games started. But in addition to having my laptop stolen last night, my inbox was overstuffed and I couldn't get the ballot sent until I got to Boardwalk Hall today.

Although La Salle and St. Joe's have already played today, I asked voters to not count those results in their ballots. I'll be back later with thoughts on and multimedia from today's action.

Before we get there, however, breaking news this evening: Penn's student newspaper, The Daily Pennsylvanian, is reporting that Quakers guard Harrison Gaines will transfer.

Gaines' father, Harry, wrote a press release that the paper received, which included Harrison staiting that Penn "wasn't a good fit ... I believe my long-term satisfaction lies in joining another university team."

Gaines also said in the release that he is seeking to join a "fast-paced, inclusive basketball program" and "a school where I have confidence in the basketball team's leaders."

This is obviously a huge blow for Penn and in particular for Quakers coach Glen Miller. I am not very well-versed in the details of what is going on here but Gaines' contributions on the court have been clear for all to see. How Miller replaces Gaines' talents on offense - and how this affects the rest of the program off the court - will be major questions this spring and summer.

Okay, back to the Schuylkill 16, and this is the final ranking of the season. It has been a resounding success, by far the most popular college basketball feature I've done in this blog's three-year existence.

I offer a profound and public thank-you to all of the voters who participated. Some were anonymous and some were not, and you'll hear from many of them one last time here today.

If I'm still doing this next season, I hope the ranking will return. It's been a lot of fun to put together and I hope you've enjoyed reading it. Next week I hope to put together some data with average ranking over the season and also a comparison of where each team started and ended in the ranking.

1. Villanova, 10 points (10 first-place votes)
- "Villanova playing for seeding, and more importantly a trip to the Wachovia Center." (Josh Wheeling)

You wouldn't bet against it right now, would you?   


2. Temple, 24 points

- "Temple rights the ship in time for their trip to Atlantic City, but those losses last week mean Temple's going all-in this week." (Fred David)
- "Will a ranked Xavier team once again fail to win the A-10 tourney? There are a lot of teams that could knock them off - they could face two Big 5 teams in a row." (Josh Wheeling)

3. Penn State, 26 points

- "Penn State, even despite the loss on Saturday, looks like a legitimate tournament team. 3rd in S-16 = trip to NCAA S-16?" (Fred David)
- "Lunardi has PSU as one of his last four in. I still think Temple edges the Lioins for second, though." (Josh Wheeling)
- "The similarities between PSU basketball and football just keep increasing, now that the hoopsters have an upset loss to Iowa when they (probably) controlled their own destiny." (Zach Klitzman)
- '] I swear we've seen this before. Last-second loss to Iowa douses hopes of big game on national stage. As a consolation, maybe the Nits will get to play Southern Cal in the NIT." (Jeff Shafer)

Did I not
call this last week?

4. La Salle, 44 points

- "Welcome back to respectability." (Jeff Shafer)
- "I'm going out on a limb and will predict that Friday evening will produce an all-Philly semifinal in the A-10." (Dave C.)

Again, ballots were submitted before today's games. But we can have fun with hindsight.


5. Saint Joseph's, 46 points

- "I can't wait until the Hawks shock everyone to make it to the A10 finals just to blow a halftime lead and lose at the buzzer." (Patrick Carney)

6. Rider, 67 points

7. Rutgers, 74 points

- "Won two of their last 20 games. By my estimation the Knights overachieved." (Jeff Shafer)

8. Drexel, 76 points

9. Delaware, 94 points

10. Princeton, 101 points
- "Princeton could be the only team in the S16 to finish their season with a victory." (Jon Solomon, PrincetonBasketball.com)

A public thanks to Jon for posting about my lost computer bag on his blog.


11. Lehigh, 111 points


12. Penn, 125 points

- "Congratulations to Penn for going 5-2 on the road and 1-6 at home in conference play this season.  Without a doubt, Penn has the worst fans in the Big 5 and despite the lucky win in Manhattan on Saturday, the team earned the coveted 16th spot in my poll." (Fred David)
- "As a Penn student, I'm going to forget everything about this season except for Kevin Egee's buzzer beater against Columbia." (Zach Klitzman)

13. Lafayette, 131 points


14. Bucknell, 135 points

15. Delaware State, 147 points

- "Alas, Delaware State's hopes ended last night to Hampton. But actually winning a game in their conference tourney bumps them all the way up to ninth in my totally objective poll." (Fred David)   

Which is the point, of course.


16. Monmouth, 149 points

- "It's been a fun regular season y'all, looking forward to doing it again next year." (Fred David)

As am I. But the correct word is "youse."

Posted by Jonathan Tannenwald @ 9:05 PM  Permalink | File Under: Atlantic 10 Tournament | | Drexel | | La Salle | | Penn | | Penn State | | Saint Joseph's | | Schuylkill 16 | | Temple | | Villanova | 2 comments
Wednesday, March 4, 2009

I picked a heck of a time to get sick.

Sore throat, runny nose, general sense of grogginess while sitting at my desk attempting to run the whole of Philly.com at night all week... yeah. Not so good.

Between my health and the ugly forecast for central New York this weekend, I'm bailing on the trip to Cornell and Columbia.

But there's so much to do next week that having a few days around here should help me rest up. And since none of the local teams are at home this weekend, I might even check out some other sports for a little while, heaven forbid. Or maybe the Flower Show.

(A sports guy at the Flower Show? Huh?)

Anyway, here we go with this week's rankings. They may look simple enough, but the raw numbers are pretty messy after Villanova. Penn State moves up to second, but has two fourth-place votes. Temple holds on to third place despite losing to La Salle, while St. Joe's is fifth despite two third-place votes. Delaware got votes ranging from seventh to 13th place.

Speaking of screwy results, which was worse: Temple's loss to La Salle last week or Georgetown's loss to St. John's tonight?

1. Villanova, 13 points (13 first-place votes)
- "Inching toward playing fewer games in the BE tourney.  Stack up against anyone in the top 10." (Rob Falcone)
- "The Wildcats are just playing for seeding right now, so a great week in Madison Square Garden will more than make up for that slip-up against the struggling Hoyas." (Fred D.)

I don't think we can over-estimate the value of getting the double-bye for 'Nova or any other Big East team.

- "Only legit tournament team on this list." (Jeff Shafer)

Objections from State College?

2. Penn State, 33 points
- "Penn State might have a solid 20-9 record, but that's only because they're 12-0 vs. InsideRPI sub-150 teams, according to Lunardi." (Zach Klitzman)

Or from the selection committee?


- "The losses at home to Temple and at the Palestra to Rhode Island are the only games that you can even remotely harp on the Nittany Lions for losing." (Josh Wheeling)

Good thing they squeaked past Indiana.

3. Temple, 40 points
- "Forget about aiming for an at-large bid, thanks to those two losses the Owls are another slip-up away from losing that A-10 Tourney bye." (Josh Wheeling)
- "Apparently I jinxed the Owls with my comment last week.  Now it's A.C. or bust for Fran and his gang." (Fred D.)

I'm sure Dunphy appreciates the confession.

4. La Salle, 54 points
- "Don't be too surprised if the Explorers win a couple games in the A-10 tourney." (Josh Wheeling)

There's still plenty of shaking out left to do in the standings, but the Explorers could do some serious damage if the draw falls right for them.

- "La Salle makes its upgrade from bottom feeder to spoiler official.  Now if they could only figure out a way to stop losing the easy games (see: Cornell, St. Bonaventure) they could take the next step to contender." (Fred D.)

All I'll say is you try making those trips, especially going to Olean in February when the Bonnies are decent for the first time in years. Then factor in Vernon Goodridge not playing against Cornell. Still, both games were certainly winnable.

5. Saint Joseph's, 59 points


6. Drexel, 86 points

7. Rider, 90 points

8. Rutgers, 101 points

9. Delaware, 116 points

10. Princeton, 137 points
- "If the Tigers win out, they can look forward to a date with Alabama State in Dayton. That should really excite the Ohio-based alumni." (Jeff Shafer)
- "Princeton controls its own destiny in the Ivy race?  When did that happen?" (Zach Klitzman)

Not only that, we could still have a three-way tie for first place with the Tigers, Cornell and Dartmouth or Yale. Click here to read the scenarios, if you can make any sense of them.

11. Lehigh, 145 points

12. Penn, 153 points
- "Now is the winter of all Penn fans' discontent." (Fred D.)

Since I'm not making the trip this weekend, I'd be interested to hear from Penn fans out there what the crowd is like at Levien Gymnasium on Saturday night. That game usually draws thousands of Penn alumni from the New York area, but I wonder if some of them won't show up this year because of the team's struggles.

t-13. Bucknell, 169 points

- "The Bison with a dominating win over its conference and Schuylkill 16 rival and jump up all the way up to the 12th spot in my rankings!" (Fred D.)

We celebrate where we can these days.

t-13. Lafayette, 169 points

15. Monmouth, 196 points

- "Lost by 31 to Wagner. I mean, Wagner is the best team on Staten Island." (Jeff Shafer)

Now that is high praise.

16. Delaware State, 207 points

Posted by Jonathan Tannenwald @ 1:19 AM  Permalink | File Under: Drexel | | La Salle | | Penn | | Penn State | | Saint Joseph's | | Schuylkill 16 | | Temple | | Villanova | 2 comments
Monday, March 2, 2009

Tonight, I'm unveiling something on the blog that I've wanted to do for a long time.

If you take a look at the right rail, you'll see a new widget called The Big Dance. It's based on a combination of the CoverItLive software we use for live blogging and the microblogging platform Twitter.

Anyone who adds the hashtag #bigdance to their tweets will see their writing show up in the widget automatically in real time, or at least after the few seconds it takes for the system to register the new tweet.

There will also be regular contributions from a pair of college basketball blogs I read regularly: BracketDobber, written by Chris Dobbertean, and Storming the Floor, written by Eric Angevine and Marco Anskis.

I'm happy to share the code for the widget with those of you who'd like it on your blog. Email me and I'll send it over.

Also, if you have an account already and tweet exclusively about college basketball, let me know and I'll add your feed into the widget for automatic publishing.

While the interface may look familiar to you, it's different in one major way: you can't submit comments directly from the blog. Everything you see will come from Twitter.

If you don't have a Twitter account, it's very easy to join. Just click here, sign up and get going.

I've written a number of times about how important building a sense of community here on the blog is to me, and I really do mean it. We've done a pretty good job of that so far this season, but the importance of March Madness gives us a chance to do something even bigger.

Those of you readers who are based in Philadelphia know full well what this community looks like in reality, because it's so much of what the Big 5 is about.

My hope with this project is that we are able to bring that atmosphere online, and to enjoy the wild ride that March always gives us in a new way.


It's Tuesday, which means it's Crunchy Numbers time. So off we go with the City Six rankings table and the Schuylkill 16 teamsheets.


Team
Record
Conf.
Big 5
Pomeroy
RPI
Sagarin
BB State
SOS
Drexel
15-13
10-8
2-0
129 (121)
116 (106)
136 (129)
137 (118)
132 (161)
La Salle
16-12
7-7
3-1
112 (123)
108 (120)
110 (124)
119 (133)
128 (114)
Penn
9-16
5-6
0-4
256 (248)
259 (244)
271 (268)
280 (267)
281 (231)
St. Joseph's
15-13
8-6
1-2
100 (97)
98 (96)
95 (94)
112 (101)
97 (86)
Temple
17-11
9-5
1-2
52 (43)
45 (36)
68 (57)
59 (42)
48 (41)
Villanova
23-6
11-5
4-0
22 (20)
15 (9)
17 (15)
19 (15)
39 (39)
Penn State
20-9
9-7
1-1
79 (67)
64 (61)
58 (54)
65 (62)
130 (84)


Team
Top 50 wins
201+ losses
Avg. win
Avg. loss
6
0
135
23
1
0
159
68
5
0
170
36
0
0
179
76
0
3
189
112
1
1
188
72
0
2
244
68
1
2
199
133
0
5
194
150
0
5
275
195
0
5
295
151
0
11
243
197
0
9
241
232
0
10
190
185
0
14
230
209
0
10
253
165
Posted by Jonathan Tannenwald @ 6:45 PM  Permalink | File Under: Big 5 | | Crunchy Numbers | | Drexel | | La Salle | | Penn | | Penn State | | Riffs | | Saint Joseph's | | Schuylkill 16 | | Temple | | Villanova | 1 comment
Tuesday, February 24, 2009

I was thinking about starting this off with a joke about being a day late and a dollar short, but as you've all probably seen by now this isn't a particularly good time for me to do that.

So instead, this week's poll results are accompanied by an extra helping of data. After the rankings, you'll see the regular Tuesday rankings compilation for the City Six and an updated RPI results table for the Schuylkill 16.

You will notice that some of the numbers have changed from last week. That's because there has been movement in and out of the Top 50 as well as the bottom 201+. It's a reminder of how fluid the RPI is as an entity, and also just how much the selection committee does in the short amount of time they have to put the bracket together.

Not that it'll stop us from criticizing their choices on Selection Sunday, of course...

Speaking of tournaments, it's now official that the ACC is selling tickets to its conference tournament next month. They are only selling full-tournament books and they're upper deck seats at the Georgiat Dome, but $363 total for 11 games sounds like a pretty good deal to me. Especially since it's the first ever public sale of tickets for the ACC Tournament.

Off we go with this week's rankings. Is it possible that Monmouth's win over Robert Morris - the next-to-last-place team in the Northeast Conference knocking off the first-place team - was the biggest result of the week?

1. Villanova, 12 points (12 first-place votes)

2. Temple, 27 points
- "If Temple can knock of Xavier or Dayton before the end of the season, I think they can punch their ticket.  Defending their A-10 tourney title isn't a bad idea either." (Fred D.)

3. Penn State, 36 points
- "Considering Penn State scored as many points against Illinois (38) as they did in football, I guess Joe Paterno is taking over for Ed DeChellis." (Zach Klitzman)

That would be a sight.

4. Saint Joseph's, 56 points
- "At 7-5 and tied for sixth in the A-10, the Hawks may need to beat Xavier and Temple to secure one of the four byes. Fortunately for them, their other two games are against Fordham (1-11) and St. Bonaventure (4-9)." (Josh Wheeling)
- "Hawks have to be leading the field in tough losses. Six of their 12 have come by four points or less. Doesn't help that Rick Majerus seems to have Martelli's number." (Jeff Shafer)
- "...And then the Hawks' season came crashing down." (Fred D.)
- "This season is penance for the recruiting sins of Jawan Carter, D.J. Rivera, Alvin Mofunaya, and about 3 other guys who should have been contributors to this year's team." (Dave C.)

5. Drexel, 65 points
- "Needs to finish strong to get a first round CAA Tourney bye.  Proving naysayers wrong." (Rob Falcone)

6. La Salle, 67 points

- "Once again, they fall off the cliff after winning their Super Bowl vs. St. Joe's." (Dave C.)

7. Rutgers, 88 points
- "All is not lost for the Knights. They still have a shot at that coveted 14-seed in the Big East tournament. Ok, maybe an outside shot." (Jeff Shafer)

8. Rider, 89 points
- "What do Lafayette and Rider have in common with Temple and Villanova?  They're the only teams to go 2-0 in the Schuylkill 16 this week." (Fred D.)

9. Delaware, 104 points

10. Lehigh, 122 points

11. Penn, 140 points

- "Steve Bilsky is asking the Ivy League office if the Quakers can play all conference games on the road next season." (Zach Klitzman)
- "I knew Ibby Jaaber; Ibby Jaaber was a favorite player of mine. Tyler Bernardini, you're no Ibby Jaaber." (Fred D.)

It's certainly not Camelot at the Palestra these days, is it?

t-12. Lafayette, 147 points

- "Nice job picking up the slack, Lafayette." (Zach Klitzman)

t-12. Princeton, 147 points
- "Dartmouth's making a fine case for inclusion in the poll." (Jeff Shafer)

Big Green scoring machine Alex Barnett gets my vote for Ivy League Player of the Year. Seriously.

14. Bucknell, 167 points
- "At least Bucknell's consistent: it scored 68 in two Schuylkill 16 losses this week." (Zach Klitzman)

15. Monmouth, 178 points

16. Delaware State, 178 points

All data prior to tonight's games


Team
Record
Conf.
Big 5
Pomeroy
RPI
Sagarin
BB State
SOS
Drexel
15-11
10-5
2-0
121 (134)
106 (103)
129 (129)
118 (128)
132 (135)
La Salle
14-12
5-7
2-1
123 (99)
120 (98)
124 (98)
133 (108)
114 (103)
Penn
8-15
4-5
0-4
248 (219)
244 (229)
268 (239)
267 (240)
231 (197)
St. Joseph's
14-12
7-5
1-2
97 (93)
96 (80)
94 (90)
101 (82)
86 (77)
Temple
17-9
9-3
1-1
43 (43)
36 (34)
57 (54)
42 (38)
41 (12)
Villanova
22-5
10-4
4-0
20 (18)
9 (9)
15 (14)
13 (15)
39 (36)
Penn State
19-8
8-6
1-1
67 (76)
61 (84)
54 (58)
62 (76)
84 (90)

Team
Top 50 wins
201+ losses
Avg. win
Avg. loss
6
0
130
17
1
0
156
65
4
0
169
35
0
0
175
82
0
2
189
105
0
1
200
71
0
2
244
68
1
2
204
133
0
5
203
142
0
4
271
192
0
4
295
143
0
10
244
198
0
9
240
229
0
9
185
183
0
13
234
205
0
10
256
162
Posted by Jonathan Tannenwald @ 7:36 PM  Permalink | File Under: Crunchy Numbers | | Drexel | | La Salle | | Penn | | Penn State | | Saint Joseph's | | Schuylkill 16 | | Temple | | Villanova | 2 comments
Thursday, February 19, 2009
Consider the box score from Penn State's 38-33 upset win in Champaign.

(No, it is not a football box score, though it may resemble one in some ways.)

Take it slowly, as you would a glass of red wine or maybe a plate full of brussels sprouts and asparagus.

Be deliberate in considering all the numbers: the field goal percentages, the assists, the turnovers, the points per possession, the tempo.

Here we have a BCS-conference basketball game in which the leading scorer had 11 points and no other player registered more than seven. No player made more than three field goal attempts in the 40 minutes of play.

Penn State's Talor Battle made three of 11 shots, Jamelle Cornley was 2-for-8 and Stanley Pringle was 1-for-9. Illinois' Demetri McCamey was 2-for-11.

The pace was slow, only 57 possessions per side. Yet the winning team scored 0.66 points per possession, and recorded a floor percentage - the percentage of offensive possessions in which there is at least one point scored - of 33.9 percent.

That latter figure was lower than the losing team's floor percentage of 35.4 percent.

But it is good on a morning like to remember one of the great sporting aphorisms of recent years. Italian soccer star Christian Vieri once said that "goals are like children: they are all beautiful."

If Penn State hears its name on Selection Sunday, the final score of this game will be forgotten. All that will matter is that the Nittany Lions beat a ranked conference opponent on its home floor for the second time this season.

And we can take comfort from having seen far worse since this blog's inception.



Before we leave the land of bad basketball and return to normalcy, we have some more data to consider as March draws ever nearer.

You all know that Kyle Whelliston was at the NCAA Mock Bracket event last week. While he was in Indianapolis, he requested and received the rights to post all 330 team sheets used to create the bracket on Basketball State.

That would be enough of a coup. But in bringing this data to the public eye, Whelliston also highlighted perhaps the single most important function of these sheets. In stunningly simple fashion, they display the RPI of every opponent that a given team has played, separated into four parts: teams ranked 1-50, 51-100, 101-200 and 201+.

The sheets also list the average opponent RPI in all a team's wins and losses.

I have put together a table with the number of Top 50 wins and 201+ losses and the average RPI win and loss for the Schuylkill 16. I have also done a table for select other teams that I think are of interest to our region from the A-10, Big East, CAA and Ivy League.

You can see each team's entire sheet by clicking on their name in the table. You will have to have a Basketball State subscription to see them all, but that seems to me to be the least you can do as a means of thanking Kyle for the service he has provided to college basketball fans.

I know the economy is in the tank right now but we also all know how much college basketball struggles for prominent coverage in print and online, so having resources like this available to us matters.

Teams are listed in order of this week's Schuylkill 16 rankings.

Team
Top 50 wins
201+ losses
Avg. win
Avg. loss
6
0
126
21
1
0
153
62
4
0
169
34
0
0
201
67
0
1
172
79
0
2
191
104
0
1
244
70
1
2
201
130
0
4
194
143
0
4
271
182
0
2
299
116
0
6
236
216
0
8
190
180
0
11
245
196
0
8
255
153
0
13
252
102


Selected other schools

Team
Top 50 wins
201+ losses
Avg. win
Avg. loss
Connecticut
10
0
110
20
Pittsburgh
8
0
95
14
Marquette
5
0
142
52
Louisville
5
0
113
47
Providence
3
0
170
35
Syracuse
5
0
115
30
West Virginia
3
0
120
22
Cincinnati
3
0
156
23
Georgetown
3
0
115
34
Notre Dame
3
0
169
30
Dayton
2
0
160
128
Xavier
5
0
126
39
VCU
0
2
181
132
George Mason
0
2
178
135
Northeastern
0
2
185
122
Cornell
0
1
218
112
Posted by Jonathan Tannenwald @ 12:53 PM  Permalink | File Under: Crunchy Numbers | | Drexel | | La Salle | | National | | Penn | | Penn State | | Riffs | | Saint Joseph's | | Schuylkill 16 | | Temple | | Villanova | Post a comment
Tuesday, February 17, 2009

The headline of the post isn't actually about this week's rankings but about another poll relating to local college basketball.

The Washington Post's college basketball blog, Press Break, is running a knockout tournament in which fans vote on who they think is the best non-BCS coach in college hoops.

Among the first-round entrants are Fran Dunphy, who's paired against George Mason's Jim Larranaga, and Phil Martelli, who faces Butler's Brad Stevens.

Neither matchup is fair to the Big 5, but the former is especially nasty because of Mason's still-recent run to the Final Four and their large alumni base in the D.C. area.

Nonetheless, Dunphy doesn't trail Larranaga by that much, and voting closes tonight. So get to it.

One other blog post worth your attention: the Raleigh News and Observer's outstanding ACC Now reports there might be a public sale of tickets for this year's ACC Tournament. That has not happened since 1966.

The possibility of open seats is in part due to the fact that the tournament is being held at the Georgia Dome instead of a regular baskteball arena. But there is also a lack of demand at some schools, though the blog did not name names.

There was no public sale when the tournament was last played at the Georgia Dome in 2001, and that year the listed capacity was more than 4,000 seats bigger than this year's configuration.

Now for this week's rankings, and it's another Villanova sweep. But there's big news a few spots below the Wildcats, as La Salle has jumped over St. Joe's into fourth place after beating the Hawks at the Palestra for the second year in a row. But the Hawks remain ahead of Drexel. Do you believe there's a statute of limitations on head-to-head matchups?

Further down, Princeton falls back down after last week's big jump, while Penn rises above the Tigers thanks to their weekend sweep. Bucknell remains in 13th place, however, despite winning at Holy Cross.

As for the statistical side dish, we return to the Pomeroy rankings this week.

1. Villanova, 11 points (16)

- "I get this feeling Jay Wright had the banjo music from Deliverance stuck in his head after leaving Morgantown Friday." (Zach Klitzman)

It's not quite John Denver coming over the loudspeakers at the WVU Coliseum, is it?

2. Temple, 22 points (44)

"Owls take a huge step forward to one of the four all-important A-10 Tourney byes by beating the Hawks and Duquesne last week to go to 7-3. Bonnies and Fordham should be a cakewalk this week."

I presume they won't be yelling "Holy Schmidt!" at the Liacouras Center on Sunday.

3. Penn State, 36 points (76)

4. La Salle, 49 points (99)
- "Doormat no more - La Salle with the upset of the year in the Big 5. Giannini's finally earning his paycheck this year."

I'm just saying, but how much of an upset is it if it happens two years in a row like this?


5. Saint Joseph's, 51 points (93)
- "Comcast SportsNet paid tribute to all of the dunks laid on the Hawks by La Salle." (Rob Falcone)
- "St. Joe's lost a close game in the final minute? Not under Martelli!" (Patrick Carney)

6. Drexel, 62 points (135)
- "Seniors had a great game on Sunday. Bruiser for CAA Coach of the Year." (Rob Falcone)
- "I thought Drexel was supposed to come in last in the CAA? What's up with their 10-5 conference record?" (Zach Klitzman)

The Dragons have a legit shot at winning the regular season title. The preseason rankings really do look stupid at this point, don't they?

7. Rutgers, 84 points (137)
- "I have RU, despite losing 12 of their last 13, ahead of eight teams on my ballot. I think that tells you all you need to know about the field's year." (Jeff Shafer)

8. Rider, 92 points (171)

9. Delaware, 99 points (218)

- "Some games, they look incredible. Other games, not so much." (Rob Falcone)
- "Talk about un-American: Delaware beat the George Mason Patriots on Lincoln's Birthday." (Zach Klitzman)

I hear George Washington had a great crossover move. If only he was around for Karl Hobbs to recruit.

10. Lehigh, 108 points (227)
- "Apparently one of the nation's 10 weakest non-conference schedules failed to prepare the Engineers for the rigors of Patriot League play." (Jeff Shafer)
- "After losing to Navy and beating Army last week, Lehigh is getting ready to face the Merchant Marine Academy." (Zach Klitzman)

I expect to get some emails from Coast Guard fans about that one.


11. Penn, 116 points (233)
- "Glen Miller might still be in the doghouse - despite sweeping this past weekend - but Penn fans just need to relax and remember, at least they aren't Princeton." (Zach Kiltzman)

12. Princeton, 131 points (229)
- "Six straight losses to Brown. Let's repeat that. Six straight losses. To Brown." (Jeff Shafer)
- "As a Penn fan I couldn't have gotten a better Valentine's Day present than Princeton losing by 18 to Brown." (Zach Klitzman)

The top two freshmen in the Ivy League are from northern New Jersey and Philadelphia. Which one plays for Penn and which one plays for Princeton?

13. Bucknell, 141 points (285)


14. Lafayette, 155 points (306)
- "If Lafayette actually wants to move ahead in this poll, it'll have two great chances this weekend against Bucknell and Lehigh." (Zach Klitzman)

15. Delaware State, 165 points (310)

16. Monmouth, 174 points (317)

- "Still writing in 15. Kutztown and 16. Philadelphia U. Seriously considering bouncing Lafayette and bringing in Widener." (Tim AumAn)

If this keeps up, Ursinus will start getting votes.

I'll be back at around 7 p.m. tonight for live coverage of the Schuylill 16 showdown between Penn and Princeton from courtside at Jadwin Gym.

And yes, writing it that way seemed a little weird.

Posted by Jonathan Tannenwald @ 1:54 AM  Permalink | File Under: Drexel | | La Salle | | Penn | | Penn State | | Saint Joseph's | | Schuylkill 16 | | Temple | | Villanova | 5 comments
Monday, February 9, 2009

Before we get to the rankings, we've arrived at the Fantasy HORSE Invitational championship game. It pits Kentucky's Jodie Meeks against Temple's Dionte Christmas. Voting will be open until tipoff of the Temple-St. Joe's game on Thursday.

Also, it looks like comments are back. Thanks for bearing with us as we shoo the gremlins of the rafters.

Now we turn to the poll results, and Villanova reigns again after taking all the first-place votes. The more interesting news is in second place, where Temple jumped over Penn State after the Nittany Lions lost to Michigan and Wisconsin.

Also of note, we have only the second tie in Schuylkill 16 history: St. Joe's and Penn State are level on 37 points in third place. But the gap between Temple and the Lions-Hawks duet is a whopping 12 points. How much of an effect on that gap would a St. Joe's win Thursday night have?

But the biggest news of all is the aftershock of Princeton's sweep of Columbia and Cornell. The Tigers jumped from 12th place to 9th place this week, and the buzz in Old Nassau will continue growing if they remain the Ivy League's lone unbeaten team.

Your statistical side dish this week is the RPI as calculated by RealTimeRPI.com. Since I only have the free version right now, the numbers do not include tonight's games. But that's fair to our poll voters, who cast their ballots without factoring in tonight's action as well.

1. Villanova, 11 points (12)
- "Who said 'Nova can't get that big win? Good to see the Wildcats playing up to their potential." (Josh Wheeling)
- "Villanova and Princeton: the only two tournament teams in the region? Blue collar fans weep." (Fred D.)

2. Temple, 25 points (44)
- "Olmos had a great game at Xavier, but Christmas didn't do too much. I know they focused on him a lot, but can the Big 5's 'best player' be this inconsistent?" (Josh Wheeling)

t-3. Saint Joseph's, 37 points (71)

I used RPI as the tiebreaker for listing purposes.

t-3. Penn State, 37 points (84)
- "Both losses weren't bad, but would have liked to see them pull off one of them. Wisconsin is good, but was 2-5 on the road before the Penn State game." (Josh Wheeling)
- "Can't spell Nittany Lions without ... N-I-T." (Jeff Shafer)

A point of fact if ever there was, but there's plenty of time left in the season to make another statement.

5. La Salle, 58 points (110)

6. Drexel, 76 points (119)
- "What's that sound from CAA land? That would be a thousand 'I told you so's' " (Jeff Shafer)

7. Rider, 80 points (140)

8. Rutgers, 87 points (162)

9. Princeton, 102 points (250)
- "I never thought we would see the Tigers climb above No. 14 all season, but they produced the biggest "holy crap" win of the S-16 season with the win over Cornell." (Marco Anskis)
- "Well, at least something makes sense in the Ivy League this year." (Jeff Shafer)

I'll be at Jadwin Gym next Tuesday for Penn-Princeton. If the Tigers truly are back to prominence, there's no better game in which to prove it than the visit of their old rival.

10. Delaware, 107 points (233)

11. Lehigh, 115 points (225)

12. Penn, 131 points (251)
- "Any D-I team that knows how to pump fake is guaranteed at least 80 points against Penn."(Josh Wheeling)
- "I think Penn's truly earned the bottom spot in the last three games. Definitely a low point for the program right now." (Fred D.)

13. Bucknell, 147 points (299)

14. Lafayette, 149 points (316)

15. Delaware State, 166 points (283)
- "Del. St. & Monmouth out; #15 Kutztown, #16 Philadelphia U" (Tim AumAn)

Props for Herb Magee are always welcome.

16. Monmouth, 168 points (329)
- "Lost to the only team in Division-I history to lose to NJIT. Enough said." (Jeff Shafer)

A good way to end tonight's post.

Poll: Fantasy HORSE Invitational Championship (624 votes)
Posted by Jonathan Tannenwald @ 11:35 PM  Permalink | File Under: Drexel | | La Salle | | Penn | | Penn State | | Saint Joseph's | | Schuylkill 16 | | Temple | | Villanova | Post a comment
Monday, February 2, 2009
There was a good bit of chatter at the top of last week's poll about what would happen if Penn State beat Michigan State this past Sunday.

Except that earlier in the same week, Villanova beat Pittsburgh and put first place in the Schuylkill 16 rankings beyond reach once again. This is the seventh straight week the Wildcats swept all the first-place votes.

Having said that, I'd like to know what you think would happen if 'Nova and PSU faced each other. You might recall that they could have done so at the Philly Classic last fall, but Rhode Island beat the Nittany Lions in the semifinals.

I don't have too much else to say this week, but I see two other interesting trends. First of all, it looks like Drexel and La Salle are in a tight battle for fifth place. You can't overlook the Dragons' seven-game winning streak, but in terms of this coming week the Explorers have the best chance to make a statement when they face Dayton at Tom Gola Arena on Wednesday.

Hopefully that game will attract a few more neutral fans than the Explorers usually get, because in terms of quality of opponent it's the biggest game in town between now and the weekend.

I'm also a bit intrigued by Princeton's road sweep of Dartmouth and Harvard, their first such weekend in three years. I'm also surprised they aren't ranked ahead of Penn, which lost to the Big Green the night after Princeton won at Leede Arena.

You can make a pretty strong case that Tigers guard Douglas Davis and Penn's Zack Rosen are the leading contenders for Ivy League Rookie of the Year so far. Could their first meeting, at Jadwin Gym on February 17, be the game that breathes new life into the Penn-Princeton rivalry?

Off we go with this week's poll results. This week's side dish is the Basketball State rankings, which you'll find in parentheses after the vote totals.

1. Villanova, 10 points (20)
- "I hear Jay is starting a "Save the Spectrum" campaign. I also hear that Ed Snider said Jay would have to arm-wrestle him for it." (Rob Falcone)

I've wondered a few times why the Wildcats haven't played more games there in years when the Wachovia Center doesn't host NCAA Tournament games. I'm sure there are good reasons, but the NCAA counts the two arenas as separate entities and the atmosphere on Wednesday looked fantastic.

2. Penn State, 23 points (49)
- "Just as Temple begins to throw away its at-large credentials, the Nittany Lions begin to establish theirs with the win over then-No. 9 Michigan State." (Josh Wheeling)

3. Temple, 29 points (47)

4. Saint Joseph's, 41 points (80)
- "Put together a nice run after losing to Drexel on New Year's Eve. They still need to show me they can put it all together." (Rob Falcone)

5. La Salle, 52 points (105)
- "La Salle is 0-8 against schools in the top 100 of Pomeroy's rankings, and is 12-0 against teams not in the top 100. We'll see if the Explorers can buck that trend against Dayton (80) this week." (Josh Wheeling)

6. Drexel, 55 points (119)
- "They are beating the teams they should beat. Then again, they were picked to finish last in the CAA... so I guess they shouldn't be beating anyone?" (Rob Falcone)
- "As hot as Drexel is, I can't put it ahead of La Salle yet. The A-10 is a lot better than the CAA." (Zach Klitzman)

For reference, the Atlantic 10 is ranked ninth by Pomeroy and the CAA is ranked 14th.

7. Rutgers, 74 points (199)
- "Yay, Rutgers ended its slide. Time to start a new one, though." (Zach Klitzman)

8. Rider, 85 points (170)

9. Lehigh, 89 points (238)

The Mountain Hawks won the only game between Schuylkill 16 teams last week, beating Bucknell, 61-59, at home.

10. Delaware, 97 points (261)
- "Monte's kids are all over the place right now. They get a rematch against Drexel on Wednesday." (Rob Falcone)

And that's the only game between Schuylkill 16 teams this week.

11. Penn, 110 points (225)
"I'm not surprised Penn lost to Dartmouth. If they had beaten the Big Green, then by the transitive property they'd have been beaten UNC. And we all know how well Penn does against the Tar Heels." (Zach Klitzman)

12. Princeton, 121 points (244)

13. Bucknell, 131 points (299)

14. Lafayette, 137 points (315)

15. Monmouth, 150 points (324)

16. Delaware State, 156 points (310)
- "Time to start looking at D-II to replace Delaware State and Monmouth. #15: Kutztown, #16: West Chester" (Tim AumAn)
Posted by Jonathan Tannenwald @ 10:49 PM  Permalink | File Under: Drexel | | La Salle | | Penn | | Penn State | | Saint Joseph's | | Schuylkill 16 | | Temple | | Villanova | 2 comments
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