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Wednesday, October 15, 2008


I know nothing about ACORN, other than there is a tree in my front yard with too many.

But having been a political reporter in Philly, I've heard something about how one might steal votes. Which is that it's pretty damn hard, and that vote fraud - ineligible voters or people voting more than once under fake names - is pretty much non-existent. The scare tactics being pitched by Sarah Palin and various other GOP political operatives are just that. This is from Politico:

"Republican vice presidential nominee Sarah Palin suggested Tuesday that Barack Obama shares responsibility for recent reports of voter fraud conducted by the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now.

'Obama has a responsibility to rein in ACORN,' Palin said during an interview with conservative radio host Rush Limbaugh.

Palin said the group is responsible for the 'unconscionable situation we are facing now with voter fraud' and attacked the Obama campaign for not addressing the problem after the McCain campaign sent a letter to the Democratic camp urging action against voter fraud in September.' "

The complaint about ACORN is that its workers have submitted fake, erroneous or deliberately fraudulent voter registration forms. No doubt correct.

But it doesn't matter who files a registration form. It matters who enters the voting rolls.

They are the people who vote.

Local voter registration offices exist in large part to screen out the faulty, fake and duplicate voter registration forms that have been around as long as there has been voter registration. Nevertheless, alleging voter fraud is a favorite Republican tactic.

In recent years, rules for getting your hands on a ballot have actually stiffened.

Now, a first time registrant has to produce an ID before getting a ballot. And its supposed to be a photo ID or similar document. If your neighbor "Mickey Mouse" makes it through the local voter registrar's office, Mr. Mouse can only vote if he presents a valid ID, usually a drivers license, showing that he really is Mickey Mouse. If he's John Smith, no ballot, no vote.

These are the ID rules in Pennsylvania for a first time registrant:

All voters who appear at a polling place for the first time must show proof of identification. Approved forms of photo identification include:
Pennsylvania driver’s license or PennDOT ID card
ID issued by any Commonwealth agency
ID issued by the U.S. Government
U.S. passport
U.S. Armed Forces ID
Student ID
Employee ID

If you do not have a photo ID, you can use a non-photo identification that includes your name and address. Approved forms of non-photo identification include:
Confirmation issued by the County Voter Registration Office
Non-photo ID issued by the Commonwealth
Non-photo ID issued by the U.S. Government
Firearm permit
Current utility bill
Current bank statement
Current paycheck
Government check

And the poll workers for one party or the other can still challenge the voter.

Worried about Ohio?

Here's that state's rules:

All voters must bring identification to the polls in order to verify their identity. Identification may include a current and valid photo identification, military identification; or a copy of a current (within the last 12 months) utility bill (including cell phone bill), bank statement, government check, paycheck, or other government document, other than a notification mailed by the board of elections, that shows the voter’s name and current address (including from a public college or university). Voters who do not provide one of these documents at the polling place will still be able to vote a provisional ballot as described earlier in this guide, and may provide such identification to the board of elections within the 10 days following Election Day. Voters who do not have any of the above forms of identification, including a Social Security number, will still be able to vote by signing an affirmation statement swearing to the voter's identity under penalty of election falsification and by casting a provisional ballot. (Please click here for additional information on provisional voting.)

Massive voter fraud can really only work if the system itself is corrupt - as many believe was the case 48 years ago in Chicago, when the first Mayor Daley was suspected of concocting results to swing Illinois behind JFK.

A corrupt system can vote the dead or people moved away.  Poll workers could stuff ballots, vote people who haven't come to the polls, or maybe rig electronic vote counts.

But ineligible voters swinging an election? In 2006, four years after the Justice Department made election fraud a priority, this was the list of major prosecutions. It's from a press release entitled: Fact Sheet: Department of Justice Ballot Access and Voting Integrity Initiative:

-In Alabama, a jury convicted the former sheriff of Jefferson County and his attorney of conspiracy to defraud the United States and theft of government property in connection with their use of records of the National Crime Information Center to conduct criminal history searches of absentee voters to support an election contest.

-In Florida, in the first jury convictions involving the new felony campaign financing crimes enacted by Congress in 2002, two defendants were convicted for making conduit contributions to curry favor with federal officials, wire fraud, and money laundering in connection with a land fraud scheme. The lead defendant was sentenced to 10 years’ imprisonment and restitution of over $12 million.

-In Kansas, a congressional candidate pleaded guilty to bank fraud and embezzling campaign contributions and was sentenced to 15 months of imprisonment.

-In New Hampshire, the former New England Regional Director of the Republican National Committee was convicted by a jury of telephone harassment charges in connection with a scheme to prevent voters from getting to the polls in the November 2002 federal elections by jamming phone lines of local organizations. He was sentenced to 10 months of imprisonment and a fine of $10,000. Two additional defendants, including the former Executive Director of the New Hampshire Republican State Committee, pleaded guilty in connection with the scheme, and a fourth defendant is currently under indictment and awaiting trial.

-In Kentucky, 12 persons were convicted of vote buying in recent federal elections, and eight more persons were indicted on vote buying charges last week.

-In West Virginia, 15 persons were convicted of vote buying in recent elections.

Nothing about fake people voting, is there?

Click here for Philly.com's politics page.

Posted by Nathan Gorenstein @ 6:25 AM  Permalink | 49 comments
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Posted 01:42 PM, 10/18/2008
love234america
What stood out to me during the second debate, Tom B. asked if elected, would you militarily defend Israel if that country were attacked or go to the U.N. Obama did not answer the question; his answer was off subject. Guess he has too much Arab blood and too many Middle Eastern friends (not Israel). McCain said, yes, I would defend Israel and not go to the U.N. as Russia and China have veto powers. WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO ISRAEL IF ATTACKED IF OBAMA BECOMES PRESIDENT?????
Posted 01:38 PM, 10/18/2008
love234america
I do believe that Obama is a sleeper. Nations have been fooled before. Great Britain for example: during the cold war, two highly regarded British citizens who were in their secret service spied for the Soviets for over 20 years without detection by the Brits!!!! These two spies caused many deaths of the British secret service and gave top secrets to the enemy. It was big, big news when they were finally uncovered. I know one fled to Moscow and lived there until he died. If you can fool James Bond's organization, our CIA does not have a chance. Obama from his youth has been taught by masters of communism; why do you suppose his ideas are so socialist.
Posted 01:31 PM, 10/18/2008
love234america
ACORN is Obama's pal; fraud and lies........If people find nothing wrong with registering dead people, Mickey Mouse, sandwich shop names, felons, the Dallas Cowboys as residents of Nevada, you do not belong in a democratic nation....go to China, Russia, Venezuela, or perhaps Cuba as it is a shorter journey. You do not belong in the U.S.A. Well, I take that back, if Obama is elected, you are just the type of person who should be living here. "spread the wealth" is Obama's motto.......hang on to every nickle and dime you have, in fact, hid them.
Posted 01:31 PM, 10/18/2008
love234america
ACORN is Obama's pal; fraud and lies........If people find nothing wrong with registering dead people, Mickey Mouse, sandwich shop names, felons, the Dallas Cowboys as residents of Nevada, you do not belong in a democratic nation....go to China, Russia, Venezuela, or perhaps Cuba as it is a shorter journey. You do not belong in the U.S.A. Well, I take that back, if Obama is elected, you are just the type of person who should be living here. "spread the wealth" is Obama's motto.......hang on to every nickle and dime you have, in fact, hid them.
Posted 12:54 PM, 10/16/2008
lan1122
Xi Jah - I just get tired of your name and comments, a lot of which is the same exact comment. That's all I'm saying. Jerseygirl..I'm MORE sicker of yours than Xi Jah's. Your comments seem to be mostly racist on other articles. To call me a typical liberal is stupid. Your comment is stupid. To say that Xi Jah can say what they want, but then scold me for saying what I want is unfair, but then I would expect unfairness and one-sidedness from a Republican.
Posted 09:29 AM, 10/16/2008
MrMayhem
VOTE EARLY AND OFTEN AND KEEP JOHN MCCRANKY OUT OF WHITE HOUSE !!
Posted 08:33 AM, 10/16/2008
Master Dreamz
Xi Jah of that $800K you like to espouse, only $80K actually went to ACORN -- read the facts. Also, ACORN is not an arm of the Democratic Party, they do not just collect Democratic voter registration forms. Furthermore, how do we know that the states that have ACORN under investigation are not politically motivated since the Bush Administration has populate the AG's office with party loyalists instead of competent lawyers?
Posted 07:56 AM, 10/16/2008
jersey girl
Hey Ian11112: Just like a typical liberal. don't like to see any dissenting opinion.XiJah can say what he wants. And if Obama gets in, there will be no dissenting arguements. The marxist will make sure of that.
Posted 07:10 AM, 10/16/2008
michaelskristen
Another thing Obama was not honest about last night: Bill Ayers Let us get something straight about the American terrorist Bill Ayers and the appropriateness of Barack Obama’s long time association with him. Who in the Philadelphia area would vote for a person running for president, no matter how much you loved about that person, if they had a long-time association with Mumia Abdul Jamal? Not many. Were they not both involved in attacking Americas finest? What about those who murdered Stephen Liczbinski, or Chuck Cassidy or Patrick McDonald or Isabel Nazario? Would you vote for someone who began their political career in the home of one the murders of these fine people? No, of course not. And that is why the media does not do any investigative reporting on Ayes. That and they are generally lazy and can only parrot each other. That is why the Obama campaigns only defense is unfair, biased, hateful attacks. Well perhaps they can not handle the truth. Perhaps the media should have done a better job.
Posted 06:40 AM, 10/16/2008
Jaguar
Isn't it ironic that the ACORN's organization's efforts to register voters is primarily in "Swing States" where razor thin margins of victory are predicted--Isn't it funny that the Obama campaign is funding their efforts to the tune of $800 k-- Why ? for the idealistic view that homeless people have a right to vote?Why--Why are the Acorn people being investigated by the FBI-George Bush again ? Why? Surely the people of pennsylvania have All the safeguards in place to have "Honest Elections"- I wonder--While Philly is a great place with mostly Honorable people, you cannot convince me that "Street Money" and strong partisan politice might just corrupt the system---just a little bit- Perhaps A few Bad Apples perhaps - Just enough to fraudently steal an election Perhaps -Cynical or Visionary?
Posted 02:23 AM, 10/16/2008
Philly-d-kidder
How Come Philadelphia Votes with 110 election City State and federal Violations evrey Year?... They Take it to Philadelphia Judges and then State Judges and Nothing Happens... 2004 they Voted in Vince Fumo's Offices..haha
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Posted 12:36 AM, 10/16/2008
ihateminivans
Does anyone else believe Barack Hussein Obama is the Antichrist? He and his supporters will stop at nothing to win. They will cheat, lie, bribe, and steal if necessary to win. Just remember how far ahead John Kerry was before the election. Any of you hippies remember the exit polls? W was down by 15 points. We all know how "accurate" the media was. The media has picked who they want as president, the people have the last vote. Obama will be a footnote in history.
Posted 12:23 AM, 10/16/2008
George Tomezsko
What ardenoid meant to post: "The Democraps are experts at stealing elections. If this is the way to do it, they would be knee deep in it and not complaining about it." Enough said.
Posted 12:23 AM, 10/16/2008
George Tomezsko
What ardenoid meant to post: "The Democraps are experts at stealing elections. If this is the way to do it, they would be knee deep in it and not complaining about it." Enough said.
Posted 11:26 PM, 10/15/2008
Nicher
What about absentee ballots?? Or this "early voting" nonsense that seems to get bigger numbers every year?? No chances for fraud there, I'm sure...and why is it the Dems who are always complaining that "the poor" cannot get photo IDs easily, so they shouldn't be tasked with provding them. Give me a break. If Republicans are responsible for "voter fraud", the Dems have cornered the market on "voter suppression" and "voter inimidation" claims.
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Posted 09:22 PM, 10/15/2008
Col. Nathan R. Jessep
There is also no such thing as Area 51 or Delta Force.
Posted 05:54 PM, 10/15/2008
JDee26
Rachey: If you felt there was voter fraud or, at least, the poll workers weren't doing their jobs did you report it? I'm guessing you didn't because in reality it didn't happen.
Posted 05:52 PM, 10/15/2008
Zomboma
I saw 2 guys registering people 3 days after the deadline. They were on South Street near Broad St. I called the cops, I wrote to editors and reporters here at these rags, and I posted what I saw here in the 'comments' sections on various political stories. Know what happened? Nothing.
Posted 04:40 PM, 10/15/2008
rickh
Are you kidding me??? This is one of the two most corrupt democratic party cities in the U.S.! There are ballot boxes filled with dead people's votes which already cast for Obama. Probably well into the 100,000 range. Look how well are city operates! (choking from laughter). YOU MUST BE THINKING ABOUT HOUSE DEMOCRACTIC LEADER MCNEESE & THE DOZEN OR SO OTHER DEMOCRATS THAT USED MILLIONS OF OUR TAX MONEY TO GET RELECTED. GIVE ME A BREAK! YOU ARE NOT SERIOUS!!!
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Posted 04:12 PM, 10/15/2008
Tatts
"Fake Voters? Try TO Find Some.", not "Try AND Find Some." Sheesh.
Posted 03:34 PM, 10/15/2008
MattPSU
The real problem is illegals voting. They can do everything else, and now they can probably vote in some states. Some states don't even require ID when registering or voting for the first time.
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Posted 03:13 PM, 10/15/2008
longshanks
Yeah well, John McCain has no neck.
Posted 02:41 PM, 10/15/2008
Gibba Mang
I guess voter fraud is no problem for you as long as it is Democrat fraud.....Nobody has VOTED yet so there is not fraud! What the hell are you blathering about. You look uninformed and ridiculous.
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Posted 02:04 PM, 10/15/2008
ThomasFoley
Distractions? The distraction is this whole ACORN voter fraud thing. What was thepoint of this story? Guess you didnt read it.
Posted 12:49 PM, 10/15/2008
Obamassiah
I will lie, cheat and steal. Whatever is necessary! Do you believe in change? I do.
Posted 12:42 PM, 10/15/2008
Delaware Vol
Distractions, all distractions!!! LMAO!!! Obama is a Creeep, a Thug and a Crook!!!
Posted 12:37 PM, 10/15/2008
notojm
what was the point of this piece? more mindless drivel for the low-info masses in philly........
Posted 12:13 PM, 10/15/2008
racheyrach
i'm glad you are fine with millions of dead and made-up people voting. in philadelphia, they don't require a photo id. anyone can vote as much as they want. i actually asked them if they wanted to see my id in the primaries this year, when i voted for hillary, and they said "no, that's ok." when i pressed them about how they would know it was really me, they said, "we'll know you now for next time." it didn't make any sense, was completely ridiculous and indicative of how voter fraud happens.
Posted 12:13 PM, 10/15/2008
racheyrach
i'm glad you are fine with millions of dead and made-up people voting. in philadelphia, they don't require a photo id. anyone can vote as much as they want. i actually asked them if they wanted to see my id in the primaries this year, when i voted for hillary, and they said "no, that's ok." when i pressed them about how they would know it was really me, they said, "we'll know you now for next time." it didn't make any sense, was completely ridiculous and indicative of how voter fraud happens.
Posted 11:39 AM, 10/15/2008
Politburo
ACORN does not pay per registration form (that's actually illegal in some states).
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Posted 10:25 AM, 10/15/2008
lan1122
Xi Jah is so annoying with his/her/it's rants and raves. I'm sick of seeing that name all over the blogs and the same stupid comments over and over again. Wish his/her/it's computer would break down for a few days.
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Posted 09:40 AM, 10/15/2008
SNS08
ACORN issue = No "there" there Ayers/Wright, etc. = No "there" there It's what most thinking people have known all along after reading and looking at the FACTS 2008 GOP campaigns = a generation of irrelavance Whiney McCain supporters = uniformed, lazy, repeat-robots.
Posted 09:21 AM, 10/15/2008
didderbops
Interesting too that most of the states that you mention at the end are "red" states
Posted 09:17 AM, 10/15/2008
writerstephen
Grill: Assuming you're right for the moment, is it the Democrats and ACORN alone who are guilty of this? Or does it happen on both sides? Are Republicans simply too honest and above-board to go in for this type of fraud? If it's ACORN and the Democrats, it sure hasn't helped them win the last two presidential elections.
Posted 08:59 AM, 10/15/2008
Grill
Come on Nathan, you covered Local 98 for years. You know EXACTLY how they commit voter fraud in South Philly. They get guys from S. Jersey to wait until later in the day and then they go and "vote" all over the city as people who are registered but have not voted. Yes this is how the DEAD voter in Philly folks. ALSO< get this at some polls you actually have political operatives serving as Judge of Elections. Imagine that. And these are the folks the DON'T ALWAYS check ID if you know what I mean. So while it is great that first time voters are SUPPOSED to have their ID checked if they are registered at precincts in which the Judge of Elections is working for one tema over another and getting paid to do so by one party IDs most likely will not be checked. You are better than this Nathan...
Posted 08:51 AM, 10/15/2008
Mr. Baseball
Not to mention that it would be illegal for ACORN to fail to submit any registration forms it collected. This whole thing is a bunch of BS to distract from the real issues. It also will help set up any GOP court fights over results it is unhappy with, or to foster an "everybody does it" attitude among the public when the reports of real fraud by GOP operatives on election day start rolling in.
Posted 08:38 AM, 10/15/2008
deldog64
As election day draws closer the Republicans are becoming more and more desperate because they know they have lost. Many simply cannot believe that the majority of the population have finally become awake enough to throw them out of office. Everyday there is some sort of new scandal to try to discredit Obama because they simply cannot compete with him on a fair issue based agenda. As for Acorn they pay these college kids per voter registration form they hand in so that of course leads to them submitting false forms.
Posted 08:04 AM, 10/15/2008
ardenoid
The Repulicans are experts at stealing elections. If this is the way to do it, they would be knee deep in it and not complaining about it.
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