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Tuesday, December 9, 2008

A few updates from the winter meetings in Las Vegas:

1. The Phillies continue to talk about a potential trade with the Padres and Cubs, although a deal is not imminent. As Jim Salisbury wrote in today's Inquirer, the Phillies likely would send a couple prospects (lefthander J.A. Happ could be one of them) to the Cubs to get Mark DeRosa. DeRosa would provide insurance at second base, if Chase Utley isn't ready to open the season. He also would be a righthanded bat in left field, which would mean Pat Burrell's career with the Phillies would be over. The Cubs would send those prospects to the Padres to help land Jake Peavy. For those wondering why the Phillies just don't send those prospects directly to the Padres to get Peavy ... Peavy doesn't want to play here. He has a very short list of teams where he would accept a trade. I have been told the Phillies are not on that list.

2. A rumored trade with the St. Louis Cardinals, one of which would send Ryan Ludwick to the Phillies for Ryan Madson, apparently is just a rumor. First, the Cardinals don't look at Madson as a closer. "I'm not saying that concept isn't something we thought about or tried. But it's just doesn't seem like it's a part that fits," Cardinals general manager John Mozeliak told the St. Louis Post-Dispatch, asked about turning another team's set-up man into the Cardinals' closer. Second, the Cardinals would prefer to trade from their surplus of lefthanded-hitting outfielders: Rick Ankiel, Skip Schumaker, Chris Duncan and top prospect Colby Rasmus. If it came down to trading Happ for DeRosa or Madson for Ankiel, Schumaker, Duncan or Rasmus, the Phillies take DeRosa.

3. It sounds like the top three leftfielders on the Phillies' list remain Raul Ibanez, DeRosa and Juan Rivera.

4. Will the Phillies make any moves before the meetings end Thursday? They could sign Charlie Manuel to a contract extension, but things could drag on.

Posted by Todd Zolecki @ 3:30 PM  Permalink | 24 comments
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Posted 03:40 PM, 12/09/2008
jeff gross
So basically there are no updates from Vegas. Wonder how much the casinos are taking in on the craps tables this week..... Todd, can you PLEASE give us info on how the Philies rate their pitching prospects: Happ, Carlos, Carpenter, Kendrick in terms of place in rotation and when they should make the show
Posted 03:51 PM, 12/09/2008
jimmymack
I'm not thrilled with the "couple" of prospects angle, unless (besides Happ) they are just never will be's and roster fillers. Sounds like a steep price for DeRosa. It's not like our minor league system is bursting at the seams with talent. Just saying....
Posted 03:59 PM, 12/09/2008
philly_ies
Actually, I've heard "rumors" that the Phils could get Peavy. http://www.comcast.net/articles/sports-mlb/20081209/Cubs.Phils.Peavy/ Now, I'm not saying that they're anything but rumors, but hey, let's dream!
Posted 03:59 PM, 12/09/2008
B in DC
That Cardnials thing is interesting, if for nothing else than to get the highest value out of Madson before both arbitration and then free agency, which Boras will likely insist upon, since he's a huge ^&*$. Fill in your own expletive there, if you like...if I were the Cards, I would not want to give up Ludwick, and if I were the Phils, I wouldn't want any of those other guys for Madson.
Posted 04:00 PM, 12/09/2008
jeff gross
acording to ESPN's Stark, this may all be a bunch of hot air. seems that the Padres want a deal to be done within a few weeks, but the Cubs are owner-less and can't make the move without aproval, not to mention they want a lefty bat. Why don't we see if we can do a Jenkins for DeRosa swap straight up. Seems to fill everyoe's needs.
Posted 04:04 PM, 12/09/2008
jeff gross
Phily-ies: Please learn to read before posting. All that the link you posted says is what's been on these blogs for the past 12 hours--that the Philies may get involved as a third team to complete the Padres-Cubs deal. Peavey has a no trade clause and hsn't waived it for us, he obviously doesn't want a 2009 WS ring, but wants to be a part of teh Cubs jinx....
Posted 04:04 PM, 12/09/2008
B in DC
Jeff - would be nice...problem is DeRosa actually had hits last year. I don't think that comcast article (actually a fox sports article), actually says anything about the phils getting Peavy. It says they've expressed interest, which to me sounds like a bunch of garbage that could be explained by this 3 team scenario. They Phils have to know Peavy doesn't want to come here.
Posted 04:22 PM, 12/09/2008
jeff gross
Exactly B in DC. We're not on his list and he won't come here, but we may be part of the trade. I still am not sold on DeRosa for Happ. I am pretty convinced that happ is our 5th starter this year, unless Carlos is really surprizing or Kendrick's changeup has developed very well during the off season. Think the Padres would take Kendrick instead of Happ???
Posted 04:22 PM, 12/09/2008
mick314
Why would Cubs want Jenkins ????
Posted 04:25 PM, 12/09/2008
psuwelsh
What the Phillies need is a 300 avg hitter/20 hrs/75 rbis for LF to replace Burrell. Then, go out and get another starter (like Lowe). Do not give up Happ/Donald/Marson - everyone else is possible. Pay the money.....DONE!
Posted 04:30 PM, 12/09/2008
Truth
Jeff I'd appreciate if you give me credit when I break news (Stark) Here's another news flash... K Rod is a Met...
Posted 04:37 PM, 12/09/2008
Flyguy12
I hesitate on Ludwick, this really was a breakout year for him. Derosa @ least has put a couple of decent years together. I trade Happ and another low level prospect for him w/o thinking twice. I think Carrasco has a bigger upside.
Posted 04:39 PM, 12/09/2008
jp
Anybody following the GM meetings? How is this for stupidity. The O's just gave away their starting catcher, Ramon Hernandez (who is better than either of our two guys, by the way), for Ryan "disabled list" Freel. I know they (the O's) have a great prospect in Weiters, but comeon, didn't they ask around. We could have sent them Adam Eaton. Never have enough good catchers. It gives you the willies to think about Amaro getting ready to pull the trigger on this DeRosa deal. As I understand it, essentially, the Cubs give up DeRosa for a Cy Young pitcher, and they are hesitating on it. Gillick, please come back. Take the fleece off these rubes.
Posted 04:47 PM, 12/09/2008
Gary Varsho
Jeff - I think the book is out on Kendrick - and if you are more interested in keeping Happ, other team's GMs are just as likely more interested in obtaining him. Kendirck probably doesn't have much of a future. I can't believe people are so hard up for Happ, a guy who basically as of right now will have the opportunity to battle for the number 5 spot in our rotation. Battle for the #5 spot. I could see if he was projecting to be a top 3 starter, but right now he's a guy who isn't even a sure think to make the rotation next year..
Posted 04:48 PM, 12/09/2008
jeff gross
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Posted 04:52 PM, 12/09/2008
jeff gross
Anyone know what Koffax was going two years before he hit the majors? Probably what happ is doing now..trying to make the team as a 5th starter. You never kow what you really have until he pitches every 5th day ni teh big Leagues. The Cubs may want jenkins as they need a left handed bat it seems. Not saying they'd take teh deal, but it is worth trying. I'd even throw in Coste. Rule number 1: don't trade pitching prospects unless your getting pitching in return
Posted 04:53 PM, 12/09/2008
jeff gross
credit to Truth for telling us 20 minutes late tht Krod is a mutt
Posted 04:56 PM, 12/09/2008
oldlion
I'd like to know what is wrong with Bruntlet filling in for Utley. He did a decent job replacing Rollins and he wouldn't cost us Happ.
Posted 05:03 PM, 12/09/2008
Gary Varsho
Jeff - Koufax made his major league debut when he was 20 years old. Not every pitcher in the minors is the next Koufax or even Hamels - who made his debut when he was 22 - and was project to be an Ace from day 1.
Posted 05:09 PM, 12/09/2008
fyreknight
Actually... There is an article that says the Phillies talked to the Padres about aquiring Peavy. The Padres are interested in our prospects, and is said to have put a package of carrasco, haap, donald and a 4th player for Peavy.
Posted 05:34 PM, 12/09/2008
marty
Does anyone KNOW why Peavy doesn't want to come to Philly? No need to speculate; I can do that myself (I suspect the Phans are still an overriding negative for lots of guys, though everything else about the Phils has pretty much been remedied). DeRosa for Happ (and probably Mayberry; Padres are looking for an OF and a couple pitchers) sounds good to me. Happ will never be more than a back-end SP for the Phils, and they have other guys who will be OK there for 2009 and at least one other (Carrasco) who will be their rotation guy in a couple of years, so Happ is really best used as a trade piece. DeRosa fits very nicely for the Phils' needs.
Posted 06:14 PM, 12/09/2008
scars73
jp, yea we really need another guy with an obp of .308, with a career of .326 at the catching position!!! Hernandez is on the downside.
Posted 06:17 PM, 12/09/2008
scars73
you have to be joking if you think the Phils are giving up Carrasco, Happ, Donald, AND another prospect!!!!
Posted 07:21 PM, 12/09/2008
WiffleBall
I wonder if Peavy won't come here fpr the park or the fans. Either way it speaks to a weak character. The DeRosa thing doesn't thrill me but I presume they know more than me on their needs and everyone's worth. I think Happ and Kendrick are interchangable, one lap aroung the league the jig is up. I hope I am wrong. And while I am rambling, I would go get Kerry Wood or Hoffman and make the bullpen even better.
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Andy Martino is in his first season on the Phillies beat. A former New York City public school teacher and graduate of the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism, he previously wrote for the New York Daily News, where he covered baseball and worked with the award-winning investigative sports "I-team."