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Tuesday, January 6, 2009

Is a suspension of J.C. Romero fair?
Yes
No
I'm not sure

The Phillies just held a teleconference with reporters. Here is some of what GM Ruben Amaro Jr. and assistant GM Scott Proefrock had to say:

On if J.C. Romero was given the OK to take the supplement from Phillies strength and conditioning coordinator Dong Lien: "I will just say this about Dong Lien," Amaro said. "He comported himself in exactly the matter he should have. I'm completely supportive of what he did and how he handled the situation. It's just an unfortunate situation where a mistake was made and we have to deal with it accordingly."

Fairness in Romero's contention he was told after he took the supplement that it was a supplement he couldn't use: "We cannot comment on the specific facts of the case," Amaro said. "What we can tell you is that we're very supportive of what Major League Baseball has done and the policies it has implemented. That's as much as I can tell you about that situation."

On the perceived communication breakdown amongst Romero and what supplements he could and could not use: "Again, we can't really comment on the specifics of it," Amaro said. "I support how Major League Baseball has handled the drug policy issue all along and we continue to support it. Again, we cannot comment on the specifics of the issue. I'll sound like a broken record here, but the fact of the matter is we're supportive of J.C. It's an unfortunate event. We'll deal with it, and we'll move forward from it."

Possibility for Romero to appeal the suspension: "Not that I'm aware of," Proefrock said. "That process has played itself out. That's why the announcement was made. That's my understanding."

Romero's ability to train with team during spring training: Romero can train with the team in Clearwater, and Amaro said he expects to pitch Romero in Grapefruit League games. Romero likely will stay in Clearwater to pitch in extended spring training once the regular season begins. Once the 50-game suspension is up, Romero has a maxium of 16 days for a "rehab assignment" in the minor leagues. I'm not sure how much time Romero would need to pitch in the minors, if any, before the Phillies recall him to the majors. It might be no games. It might be a few games. In essence, Romero could miss more than 50 games if he needs a rehab assignment.

Amaro said they expect to fill Romero's vacancy internally, although he added the Phillies have looked at some of the remaining free agent pitchers. That might be true, but don't expect them to go after somebody of the caliber of Joe Beimel. It probably would be a shorter term solution.

Posted by Todd Zolecki @ 11:51 AM  Permalink | 97 comments
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Posted 12:02 PM, 01/06/2009
davemarsh
wow. way to get behind your player Ruben. i understand he can't comment on it but a little support wouldnt hurt would it?? FREE JC!!
Posted 12:14 PM, 01/06/2009
dmeloche1
Yeah, I'm a bit underwhelmed by his statements too. I guess he's limited in what he can responsibly say but I expected more compassion for JC's situation.
Posted 12:15 PM, 01/06/2009
ballzy101
Any word on exactly what supplements Romero took? Does MLB make that information public?
Posted 12:25 PM, 01/06/2009
philsfan in the atx
This is a weak response by Ruben. He can be politically correct and still strongly support JC at the same time. I lost a lot of respect for him on this one.
Posted 12:26 PM, 01/06/2009
RollinsWasRight
When Romero and MLB are in direct conflict, how can one logically claim to fully support both? "...we're very supportive of what Major League Baseball has done and the policies it has implemented..." followed by "...the fact of the matter is we're supportive of J.C..." That's a paradox if ever I heard one. Cop out. I have half a mind to take my World Series and go home. I am really getting sick of the way MLB is run.
Posted 12:33 PM, 01/06/2009
Norma
I'm pretty disappointed in Ruben's comments, too. I agree with RWR. How can the organization be supportive of both MLB and J.C.? Ruben could easily have declared it an "internal" matter and made no comment at all. I'm really glad that J.C. decided to accept his 50 game suspension, and not go for the "deal" of 25 games if he admitted wrong doing. That could have been the easy way out. He, AND the team, should definitely appeal. Totally bogus charges.
Posted 12:37 PM, 01/06/2009
mick314
I join the group who is so disappointed in Rubie. By not supporting his statement, and endorsing the position of the Commish, Rubie's response will no play well in the clubhouse when word gets around. Is ther anything wrong with supporting a player's appeal ?? We need ZO to weigh in on this.
Posted 12:55 PM, 01/06/2009
Gary Varsho
The problem is, there are two sides in baseball - Ownership and the Players. Ruben is on the side of ownership (which includes not only those that own the Phillies, but the group of owners of all teams that makes up MLB). So he "supports" their decision. Just like in a strike situation, the front office will side with MLB, while making half hearted support statements in favor of the players. The other potential side to this is that JC is more guilty then we've been led to believe and it is what it is. I would like to believe the former however - because I am a fan and I like Romero.
Posted 12:57 PM, 01/06/2009
Mark1npt
The appeal process is over. Litigation would be the only way to proceed and it would be JC against MLB...who do you think wins? And even if JC wins, he loses, MLB will see to that. Maybe the Union can do the suing for him and get an injunction allowing him to continue playing. Someone at each turn screwed this up, so that this supplement shows up as a banned substance. Maybe he needs to sue the supplement maker to recover his good name and the $1.5 mil he's gonna lose? But really JC, shouldn't a Flintstone vitamin be enough? Why do any of you guys need ANY kind of supplement?
Posted 01:05 PM, 01/06/2009
palmyra21
Amaro was caught between a rock and a hard place. He could bash MLB, but then MLB could "random" test all the Phillies...The only person who can rectify this is Selig...
Posted 01:07 PM, 01/06/2009
bobby
If the facts are as represented in the story by Phil Sheridan, then I am really disgusted by what Ruben Amaro, Jr had to say. We have no way of knowing if there's more to the story (other than the media, of course), but it certainly appears that Romero is being punished for the past actions of those who knowingly did much worse. Sad as it is, let's hope it's as simple as that.
Posted 01:07 PM, 01/06/2009
Gary Varsho
To Mark's point, even if the players are going to take a supplement, shouldn't they be more careful? It looks like he did his due dilligence, but he could have safely taken something else that he already knew was safe. MLB should provide a list of approved supplements, and as a player, if the product isn't on the approved list, stay away from it.
Posted 01:09 PM, 01/06/2009
america
Amaro sounds like Paul Holmgren when backing his players. Always taking the league's side & throwing their respective players under the bus. Just once I'd love to hear a Philly GM publicly say "I back my player 100%."
Posted 01:09 PM, 01/06/2009
UncleEddie
We should just bring Ugueth Urbina back as a short-term replacement. Hopefully he is up for parole? I liked him....he could really cut through the opposition.
Posted 01:10 PM, 01/06/2009
bobby
It's just starting to hit me how this is going to play nationally. A line from the Reuters story that's now posted online: "His ban casts a shadow over Philadelphia's World Series win." Regardless of who's at fault here, this sucks.
Posted 01:12 PM, 01/06/2009
mtt122
"He (Lien) comported himself in exactly the matter he should have." This was a simple yes or no question about the Phillies conditioning coordinator - did Lien inspect and OK the supplement or not? There needs to be a public answer to this.
Posted 01:13 PM, 01/06/2009
lgroniko
Romero is being used by Selig and MLB to show Congress how tough they are going to be on players who use illegal substances. The problem is the Romero incident is the wrong case to use as their showpiece. This reinforces my view that Selig should go back to selling cars; he doesn't have the brainpower to light a five-watt bulb, as all of us who attended Game 5 can attest.
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Posted 01:17 PM, 01/06/2009
bryneb
Weak sauce, Ruben, weak sauce. If MLB was so convinced JC cheated, why would they even give him the option of pitching in the postseason? This is bogus.
Posted 01:21 PM, 01/06/2009
davesju93
If this were a criminal trial, it seems apparent that there is enough mitigating evidence or outright lack of disclosure from the prosecution. I've seen defendants get their cases dismissed with this kind of problem.
Posted 01:21 PM, 01/06/2009
MCian
Selig is: the uncle no one likes to invite to family dinners; the brown discoloration in a spring salad; an untied shoe; a used car salesman; the fuzzy stuff between toes; that "smell" in Jersey; the itch you can't reach; a splinter; dismantling our pastime, baseball. Ruby...it's called loyalty.
Posted 01:21 PM, 01/06/2009
furio
They said said it was a banned supplement from GNC, pretty soon children's vitamins are going to be on the "banned list".
Posted 01:23 PM, 01/06/2009
wingslax35
I wish Ruben for once would not tow the company line and come out and tell us how he really feels. JC was done wrong, and I would hope Ruben would say that.
Posted 01:23 PM, 01/06/2009
Reggie Noble
Amaro is a d-bag.
Posted 01:29 PM, 01/06/2009
Lako
Amaro and Proefrock are completely gutless. Not only are they not actively supporting JC (despite Amaro's mealy-mouthed "we're supportive" garbage) but they are "very supportive" of what MLB did. Any honeymoon Amaro had with Phillies fans ended today.
Posted 01:33 PM, 01/06/2009
Gary Varsho
Again, Amaro's stance is a simple case of management vs. the union. Amaro is management - he can't speak out against MLB.
Posted 01:37 PM, 01/06/2009
MFPhils
good thing he tested clean before the post-season
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Posted 01:39 PM, 01/06/2009
Sully
Two words come to mind when I read the words of Rube: Company Man. He said juuuuuuust enough to give JC the indication that he has the organization's support, but really is just another Yes-man a la Fast Eddie.
Posted 01:45 PM, 01/06/2009
Lako
Gary Varsho, I have to disagree with you on this. If what Phil Sheridan wrote was accurate, a GM who was honest and had a modest amount of courage would have supported his player and tried to change an unfair result.
Posted 01:45 PM, 01/06/2009
beerman37
Wow, what a gutless coward Amaro comes off as....way to go Ruben
Posted 01:46 PM, 01/06/2009
EL Zorro
I can’t believe Amaro is “completely supportive’’ of strength and conditioning coordinator Dong Lien, who gave JC the ok to seek a second opinion, who btw also gave Romero the go ahead. Lien should have further investigated this supplement instead of advising him to get another opinion. Isn’t that part of his job? In his statement Amaro is supporting everybody who mishandled the whole situation, with the exception of the Players Association and the Federal Drug Administration, which gave the ok to sell the product in the first place. At the end of the day, JC was the only one paying the price. Unbelievable.
Posted 01:46 PM, 01/06/2009
James
MLB's illogical reasoning seems to be that is you take supplements, you must be too sick physically to play a physical game like baseball. They have not done any homework on the issue brought up by JC Romero and have no intention of doing any homework at all. They are afraid of the Feds and their little drug vendetta to protect the little boys and girls who watch MLB games. They do not want to implode the drug agreement in place between the union and basaeball. A healthy dialogue is better for baseball as it identifies problems and enables people on both the union and MLB to work together to come up with a more equitable solution. As long as such is on hand, the Feds would be more than satisfied. My advice is for any Philadelphia law firm to consider doing pro bono work on JC Romero's behalf by suing MLB and getting an immediate injunciton holding up the 50 game suspension until the issues are resolved. In the end, a settlement will be quickly brokered in which JC will be given a warning and removed from suspension and MLB will pay his legal fees as well. Only an idiot of a Bud Selig would fight this case to US District Court where MLB would run the risk of a Federal Judge imploding the current drug agreement between the union and MLB. That is the best course of action for MLB to follow, unless they want the Feds to frown on them for their incredible stupidity in getting the drug policy imploded in the courts! I cannot believe that Bud Selig is the only one qualified to become commissioner when we have so many intelligent people out there willing to do the job and to do the job better than he has done!
Posted 01:47 PM, 01/06/2009
cheesesteak17
Amaro just dug his grave in Philly. Who does he have to impress with this beaurcratic BS?? i mean seriously. you guys can say what you want about being disappointed, but this is just not right. does Selig have naked pictures of Amaro with a woman other then his wife? how can a GM of a team that had this happen to a player make a comment like this?
Posted 01:48 PM, 01/06/2009
Evan
How about the owners or whose ever job it is should start going after these suppliers who sell these "over the counter" suppliments. I mean if it's "legal" to sell these things, then why are players the ones getting in trouble. Didn't Major League Baseball learn anything from the whole Mitchell Report fiasco and so on. Obviously they rather see innocent guys like Romero be called a cheater instead. If anybody should be embarrassed, it should be MLB for their lack of common sense, not Romero or any other player.
Posted 01:49 PM, 01/06/2009
jim715
oh please, then the headline after the mitchell report was released should have been "report casts a shadow over yankees last 3 world series wins... ruben could have had the courage to say that he understands mlb policies, but it seems as though the punishment in this case seems too harsh for the crime, that a compromise on the suspension time seems like a reasonable solution, and that mlb and the union need to work together to more clearly define the policy, and use this situation as a learning experience...
Posted 01:51 PM, 01/06/2009
GHOSTPHAYCE
This situation is on MLB completely. If you go and say that over-the-counter supplements that are for sale at GNC and other nutrituional stores are ok and won't effect drug tests, you need to stand by that statement. MLB is covering their asses here b/c they know that if they let Romero off without penalty, it opens pandora's box. What a shame for JC and the Phillies.
Posted 01:51 PM, 01/06/2009
jim715
by the way, you think any chance A-Rod, or even Ryan Howard, gets a 50 game suspension for buying something at GNC?
Posted 01:55 PM, 01/06/2009
GHOSTPHAYCE
Bud Selig is the worst slimebag commissioner in pro sports history. I have never seen anybody in a position like his, who's had the tenure that he has had, consistently do the wrong thing time and again. This guy is a total waste.
Posted 01:56 PM, 01/06/2009
RollinsWasRight
Varsho - I think the problem here is Amaro could easily have shown more support for J.C. without rocking the boat. He could've said, "The Phillies organization completely supports J.C. Romero and feels that he conducted himself with more than reasonable diligence and respect for the rules. The situation is unfortunate, and clearly not a case of a player wilfully using a banned substace to achieve a competitive edge over the opposition. However, the Philadelphia Phillies also support the process Major League Baseball and the Players Association have put in place, and as that processed has been utilized to the fullest, we have no choice but to respect the 50-game suspension upheld by the arbitrator. We want to convey our utmost respect for J.C. and feel there was little more he could have done to avoid the situation, but at this point, the team's hands are tied. All avenues have been exhausted."
Posted 01:57 PM, 01/06/2009
Bake McBride
MLBPA is going to roast for this one. They have really let Romero and the rest of their rank and file down.
Posted 01:58 PM, 01/06/2009
gho_matt
I agree with bobby. People will do anything to taint our WS win or say the competition was not as strong in the Rays... they beat the BLO Soxs, its not our fault Boston choked.
Posted 01:58 PM, 01/06/2009
R Mexico
bobby, in the short term I might agree with the statement it casts a shadow over the WS victory, especially locally, but nationally I doubt it will have a lasting effect. Now if this was Hamels that was suspended it would deliver a huge black eye to the Phillies. Only one way to resolve everything...REPEAT!
Posted 02:02 PM, 01/06/2009
lseltzer
Like someone else said, JC's recourse now would seem to be litigation. At least there's time for him to get an injunction. As the story has been told so far it's easy to see that he could get one. He followed procedures and acted in good faith, so his suspension is arbitrary and capricious.
Posted 02:02 PM, 01/06/2009
KMG
After reading everything I certainly don't think JC intended to take a banned substance. The fact remains, however, that he did. I think the union should pay his salary if they told him, as Phil Sheridan reports, that everything sold in a GNC store is safe. Ultimately, however, baseball has to take a hard line on stimulants after the Bonds/McGuire/Clemens fiasco. Unless the league, not the union, told JC he could specifically take this substance, some punishment is appropriate- perhaps not 50 games, but appropriate. P.S.- holding the hearing during the world series is an absolute joke.
Posted 02:05 PM, 01/06/2009
EL Zorro
After reading Sheridan's piece and/or speaking to JC, Amaro knows JC's intentions to clear his name, which could include going all the way to the court system. Amaro is protecting himself. Also by supporting Selig and MLB he is also being a company man, protecting the Phillies organization. Remember, Selig and Giles are very good buddies.
Posted 02:06 PM, 01/06/2009
dreinterests
wow, amaro put the shiv in his back.
Posted 02:11 PM, 01/06/2009
eaglegreen
Sounds like Amaro pulled that one out of the Ed Wade handbook.
Posted 02:12 PM, 01/06/2009
RollinsWasRight
"No Roger, No Rerun, No RENT!"
Posted 02:19 PM, 01/06/2009
John621
Ruben, get a spine. If this taints the WS win, it is an affront to the entire organization, not just the player. Call them out on this. JC was not negligent at all. He did it by the book, and should be held up as an example of what someone should do. Plus, and this may be more important than anything, who wants to listen to those crybaby Mets fans about a tainted victory.
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Posted 02:24 PM, 01/06/2009
deb2
guess what kids-- the dark days of phils baseball are back. this amaro guy better get his priorities straight. back your team, ruben. show some spine.
Posted 02:29 PM, 01/06/2009
DreamShake
Ballzy.... He took Ergopharm 6-OXO Extreme. He bought it from the GNC in the Cherry Hill mall. It's a hormonal support product that is intended to increase testosterone levels. On one hand you're asking for trouble anytime you're artifically raising testosterone... on the other hand it's sold over the counter all over the country.
Posted 02:33 PM, 01/06/2009
RollinsWasRight
All this in the aftermath of the Rays stealing Burrell from the Phillies for a meager 2 yrs/$16M, while the Phillies signed a guy who is not a substantial upgrade for one more guaranteed year, and nearly twice the guaranteed money. I didn't have much complaint with the Ibanez signing, until I saw what Burrell signed for. The difference in those two contracts is one year of Derek Lowe, for Pete's sake! Ruben, not a good start.
Posted 02:33 PM, 01/06/2009
mikedee
FREE JC !!!!! You're better off sticking a needle in your backside in the MLB.
Posted 02:35 PM, 01/06/2009
TempleKev
This is such a joke...Selig's just mad the Phils beat the stinkin' Brewers in the playoffs...not to mention he's a complete moron...
Posted 02:35 PM, 01/06/2009
YIPO
Amaro is a shill for the league. he is a disgrace.
Posted 02:36 PM, 01/06/2009
Bryan
Amaro way to blow your first chance to look like a hero in this town as the new GM. You're terrible.
Posted 02:36 PM, 01/06/2009
KJ256
This is disgusting he did nothing wrong, look at all these players with criminal records and all kinds of other stuff and they get to play. It's insanity.
Posted 02:41 PM, 01/06/2009
jmisina
Looks like Amaro learned more under Ed Wade than Gillick. You have to step up here and FIGHT for your player. If what was written this morning is correct JC is a scapegoat to both the Union and MLB.
Posted 02:44 PM, 01/06/2009
lgroniko
Oh heck. Ban Flintstones vitamins. But seriously folks, wouldn't you have loved to see this same case with a star Yankees pitcher while George was srill in charge? Selig would be back selling used Buicks faster than you could say Steinbrenner.
Posted 02:46 PM, 01/06/2009
RollinsWasRight
One more reason not to feel bad that I didn't renew my season tickets. Of course, the simple reason was that I just couldn't afford them any more, but there's also that nagging bit of doubt that now that they finally won, the small market days may find a way to resurface. Couple that with growing increasingly annoyed with Ruben's first offseason, and maybe I'll be better off saving my money. It is a shame I won't be able to show up and support all the players who gave me such a great memory just 2 1/2 months ago, though. They deserve the recognition.
Posted 02:47 PM, 01/06/2009
eagle8
C'mon Ruben, grow a pair! What kind of weak-kneed support is this? It's time to take on Bud Selig and the MLB machine; you have the perfect opportunity to make a name for yourself, not only with Romero and the rest of the Phillies, but with fans and owners. Your comments suggest you are nothing more (or less) than a company man.
Posted 02:54 PM, 01/06/2009
BLH
The talking heads on the MLB Network are reporting this as if it's all JC's fault, with no examination of the details. They're imploring players to ask first. Hello, is that not what JC did? It's really frustrating to see that even the so-called experts can't get up off their asses and do a little research. Hopefully Mitchipoo will be on tonight and set them straight. Yeesh.
Posted 02:55 PM, 01/06/2009
Lako
ESPN just reported that "Neither Romero nor the Players Association plans to appeal the case further."
Posted 03:01 PM, 01/06/2009
nuggett
Reuben, a Montgomery/Giles lapdog, worshiping at the alter of Bud Selig and the MLB bosses threw Romero under the buss.....Good job Reuben....here is the guy who won you two games in the World Series and this is the best you can do....and that folks is what you can expect from this new leadership (??) of the same old Phillies Managemenet Back your people Reuben....don't be a wuss..
Posted 03:02 PM, 01/06/2009
RollinsWasRight
BLH - Major League Baseball is assuming no responsibility for this. They are laying all of the blame on J.C. Romero. MLB Network is owned and operated by MLB. It is a new, fledgling operation. No one on that network is going to say anything other than the party line.
Posted 03:04 PM, 01/06/2009
ejb
Amaro's comments are pretty lame and unsupportive of Romero. However, maybe he's more likely to side with the MLB because players come and go, and Amaro probably will still be there when Romero's gone. Who knows.
Posted 03:08 PM, 01/06/2009
bryneb
RollinsWasRight... The Phillies reportedly offered Burrell the same two years for $22m during the season and he said no. What were they supposed to do? Offer him 2 years for $16m in the offseason? I'm sad to see Pat go, too, but I don't think they could have signed him for the same deal the Rays did.
Posted 03:08 PM, 01/06/2009
jeff gross
a few notes: RWR: they are paying Ibanez @$10 million a year. Pat is getting $2 million a year less. I dont' think you can sign any pitcher for that. As for Romero: This is a pure case of changing the rules and then charging someone with breaking them. If MLB through the plyers union said all over the counter drugs are good, then that's it. If one that isn't acceptable surfaces, you inform people and then test. Not test and then inform people. Oh well, this will just make our repeat that much more exciting.
Posted 03:14 PM, 01/06/2009
FlyersFan561
After everything JC has done for us in the 7th and 8th innings...We support you JC!
Posted 03:32 PM, 01/06/2009
RollinsWasRight
byrneb - that 2 yrs/$22M was an erroneous report. It has been reported numerous times since, and publicly confirmed by Burrell himself, that the Phillies never made a formal offer to him; not during the '08 season, nor after. He even said he never heard from the Phillies front office after the parade. Not even a professional a "touch base" call. They were in a rush to replace him, and why I don't understand, but in their haste they overpaid before the market developed. jeff gross - Burrell is getting $16M guaranteed, Ibanez $31.5M guaranteed. Over the life of the contract, the difference is over $15M. I know that isn't a one year total, but if they still had it, it would've been wise to invest it this offseason, as next year's free agent crop looks awfully thin. Thus, it would've made financial sense. Of course, this is all theoretical. There was no way they could know how far the market for Burrell would fall. I am mostly faulting them for being so impatient that they signed a guy who isn't exactly a SUBSTANTIAL upgrade over Burrell, or ideal for their need, for a bigger contract than it nows seems was warranted.
Posted 03:40 PM, 01/06/2009
southpaw57
Fraom a reading of the situation surrounding this suspension, it sounds like an instance where some kind of "mitigating circumstances" exception should be available to the arbitrator.
Posted 03:42 PM, 01/06/2009
Gary Varsho
RWR- its clear they didn't want Burrell back at any price, for whatever reason. If they had waited to see how the market played out, and Ibanez signed somewhere else, especially with the Mets, everyone would be killing them for being "cheap".. So they go out and get a .300 avg, 100 RBI guy, and you're upset because a .250 avg, 100 RBI guy went somewhere else for cheaper?
Posted 03:47 PM, 01/06/2009
erniebanks14
So in other words, Amaro is calling Romero a liar! JC said he didn't know they had an illegal substance in them or he wouldn't have taken them. Three 'experts' said they were okay but Amaro sides with MLB. Nice freakin' guy! What a way to show your players you have their backs. He barely has the ink dry on his GM contract and already he's a turncoat. I will never respect him again.
Posted 03:47 PM, 01/06/2009
erniebanks14
So in other words, Amaro is calling Romero a liar! JC said he didn't know they had an illegal substance in them or he wouldn't have taken them. Three 'experts' said they were okay but Amaro sides with MLB. Nice freakin' guy! What a way to show your players you have their backs. He barely has the ink dry on his GM contract and already he's a turncoat. I will never respect him again.
Posted 03:56 PM, 01/06/2009
TBear
If I'm reading between the lines correctly, it seems like the Phils DID tell JC PRIOR to use that it included a banned substance. If that is truly the case, I support both sides in this. JC, because it;s not exactly a dripping steroids syringe, and MLB because those are the rules in place....and he (JC) knows it.
Posted 04:22 PM, 01/06/2009
jimmymack
Well Zo, how's that time off working out for you? Poor Todd, just when you think you were out, they pull you right back in (done in my best Al Pacino imitation). You should have gone on the cruise with J.C., at least you could have had some down time while doing the story. On another note, does anyone else think the new MLB network is nothing but commercials interrupted by occasional baseball news?
Posted 04:24 PM, 01/06/2009
EL Zorro
Not TBear. The Phillies coordinator of conditioning and training found no banned substances on the label of the supplements, but told JC to seek a second opinion, which he did and his personal nutririonist corroborated what the Phillies trainer told him. This happened before JC took the vitamins.
Posted 04:31 PM, 01/06/2009
mdriban
typical phillies management...a bunch of corporate yes men who never stray far from the company or in this case mlb line. large market team with small market mentality. no wonder why no big name free agents take philly seriously. sure hard to compete with the likes of the cubs, yankees, red sox and mets that way.
Posted 04:32 PM, 01/06/2009
RollinsWasRight
Varsho - my concern is that in their haste to replace Burrell they made a grave mistake. I don't care where else Ibanez might have landed in the interim, because he isn't exactly the ideal player for their needs. If they missed out on him, it isn't the end of the world. I don't know what the reason for being so deadset against resigning Burrell was...all I know is, for their needs, and the amount of money could afford, the best LF fit for them in the FA market was in fact Pat Burrell. Right-handed, power-hitting LF who could bat fifth, wouldn't cost a ton of money, has no problem playing in Philly and handling us fickle fans, and is wildly popular in the locker room. If he got something like 3 year/$45M, I wouldn't have cared so much, because we all know that's too much for him. In any other offseason, he probably could've gotten that. But seeing what he ended up getting, and knowing how much he wanted to come back here...ouch.
Posted 04:45 PM, 01/06/2009
pog
Talk about destroying morale. Amaro comes off as 'just another pretty boy in a suit.'
Posted 05:01 PM, 01/06/2009
philsfan in the atx
I completely agree with you Varsho..although Amaro has ticked me off with this Romero response he had to go out and sign Ibanez and do it quick..The Muts Cubs and i believe one other were said to be very interested as well.. RWR- i dont understand the bashing of Ibanez contract. His #s have been unbelievably strong and consistent...10M a year for him in this lineup is gonna be great. I know you are an educated regular on here so why so frustrated with it?
Posted 05:27 PM, 01/06/2009
RollinsWasRight
I don't mean to be "bashing" it. I am "concerned" about it. It never made a TON of sense, but it at least seemed a pretty fair deal at the time. Now, however, it looks a little high. The market for slow, poor defensive, offense-only guys has taken a tumble. And the fact that Ibanez does not constitute a significant upgrade over Burrell, perhaps a minor upgrade, and is another LH bat in this lineup, worries me. It seems to me to be trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, and only for the sake of cutting ties with Burrell. Why? Again, I might think different if I knew why they were so determined not to have Burrell back at any price, but they'll never tell us that. The more time passes, the less I like the Ibanez signing, though. Hopefully he'll come out next year and prove me wrong, but it worries me. It seems too much like a square peg in a round hole situation.
Posted 05:40 PM, 01/06/2009
Erich H
I'm confused as to why this taints the Phillies World Series victory. J.C. was tested at the end of September and passed, which means that he didn't have any banned substances in his body. His performance in the post-season was arguably even better than it was in the regular season, which means it couldn't have had any impact on his post-season pitching performance other than a negative one. This whole situation is terrible. How can we Americans claim to stand for liberty and "justice" for all and yet have a system where a guilty person could cut a deal and just get a suspended sentence of 25 days and an innocent person gets the book thrown at him, or has to lie by "admitting" that he is guilty in order to get a lesser punishment. If J.C. were a true "team player", he would have taken the deal to be able to start pitching by early May. Yet he has to look at his family, friends, teammates, and media and not get distracted by this, not allow it to adversely affect his performance next year, when he comes back. J.C. ,buddy, I'm going to pray for you. Hang in there!
Posted 05:40 PM, 01/06/2009
philsfan in the atx
It is strange how they just threw him to the side, i will agree with that. However i think Amaro was dead set on having another streaky hitter in the middle of our lineup. Howard being streaky is one thing because we have Chase in front but to have another streaky hitter behind them doesnt really make sense (in my opinion)..i mean to be honest we won with pitching this year. Now i think Ibanez #s show how good he is with men on base and driving in runs..thats personally what i want in our lineup. Defense might not be great but he cant be worse then Burrells range. Another thing to consider..look at what Vic and Werth have done to their "marginal" careers once they started hitting in front and behind our big boys...i love them both my point is simply that it cant be underestimated what kind of #s Ibanez will put up here. Pats #s might not be that hot somewhere else, who knows..i just think it makes sense to have a near 300 hitter whos consistent and great with guys on base.
Posted 05:45 PM, 01/06/2009
philsfan in the atx
Meant NOT STREAKY hitter in the middle of the lineup
Posted 07:04 PM, 01/06/2009
bsktblldn619
"...he could really cut through the opposition." Or set them on fire...
Posted 08:05 PM, 01/06/2009
BillZe
If this was the Yankees George Steinbrenner would stand up against the league if one of his players were being penalized unfairly. The Phillies need to take a lesson and get behind their players! http://www.phightinphils.com
Posted 08:39 PM, 01/06/2009
Chainsaw
If Phil Sheridan's column was correct, Romero got the shaft and Amaro did a huge disservice to both him and the Phillies. Whatever Amaro's loyalties to MLB, he should have a higher level of loyalty to the Phillies. By not sticking up for Romero, he missed out on a chance to clear the record and make both Romero and the Phillies look better. This episode taints the image of Romero and the Phillies to the casual observer that doesn't see all of the facts reported by Phil Sheridan. If it was absolutely necessary for Amaro to be diplomatic to both sides, he should have said what RWR posted at 1:56 today - that post was very well written.
Posted 08:55 PM, 01/06/2009
PhightinPhan
This situation is a real shame, because Romero happens to be one of the good guys - smart, articulate, fan-friendly and down-to-earth. I wonder why he never checked with the MLB hotline, which is what they're all told to do. Regardless, it seems kind of stinky and sleazy that they offered to cut his suspension in half if he would just admit guilt. Who runs the drug program, Torquemada?? (Or maybe Cardinal Fang -- do you think they tried the Comfy Chair?)
Posted 09:03 PM, 01/06/2009
MrPhillie
Mark1...."Shouldn't a Flintstones vitamin be enough?"...funny stuff...
Posted 09:43 PM, 01/06/2009
DE_Gene
So who didn't tell JC that this was banned? The players association right? In fact they told him that it was ok. He should sue the players association. Junior had no choice but to clam up on this. Substance is a big issue, and they are under a ton of pressure by MLB to appear like supportive on that front. Everyone in Philly loves JC. The whole things sucks. I don't think it is a big deal as far as putting a cloud over the World series, he bought it a GNC for gosh sakes.
Posted 09:57 PM, 01/06/2009
Moe Mac
Amaro first test as a leader of the men. What a disappointment. Grow a pair and grab what you have to tell the truth, pal. At least I know how the corporate guy will back up his men. JC was screwed and apparently did the right thing with no intent to deceive or cheat. How quickly Amaro forgets what it is to be a man.
Posted 01:26 AM, 01/07/2009
khazoie
Ryan Howard tested positive for excessive transfat.
Posted 06:04 AM, 01/07/2009
jplatt
J.C.'s been railroaded, and the New York media is already jumping all over it. I believe Chris Russo compared Romero to Barry Bonds. Completely ridiculous. A petition in support of Romero has been started. http://www.PetitionOnline.com/romero16/petition.html sign and give JC you're support.
Posted 11:14 AM, 01/07/2009
James TL
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