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Tuesday, December 2, 2008
The Phillies didn't offer salary arbitration to Jamie Moyer, Pat Burrell, Tom Gordon or Rudy Seanez.

The Phillies did not offer Jamie Moyer or Pat Burrell salary arbitration, a league source said last night.

The decision on Burrell didn't surprise me.

The decision on Moyer did.

Burrell made $14 million last season, when he hit .250 with 33 home runs and 86 RBIs. Based on those numbers, he would have received a raise in 2009. I speculated earlier this week that the Phillies probably wouldn't offer Burrell arbitration because they wouldn't want to pay him more than $14 million, even for one year. And I'm guessing that because Burrell seemed unlikely to command more than $14 million from another team next season, the Phillies felt Burrell would have accepted arbitration had they offered. I think the Phillies simply don't want to allocate that much money to Burrell, especially when they have 10 players already eligible for salary arbitration and they have other things they would like to do (perhaps sign a leftfielder like Raul Ibanez or Rocco Baldelli, a relief pitcher like Juan Cruz and sign players like Ryan Madson and Jayson Werth to contract extensions).

Moyer surprised me because the Phillies want him back. They have talked about a contract extension, even though those talks seem to have slowed. I thought the Phillies thought that offering Moyer arbitration posed a minimal risk because if he accepted he would be signed to a one-year contract. And I thought the Phillies wouldn't mind having Moyer, 46, signed to a one-year contract (instead of a one-year contract with a 2010 option or a two-year contract) considering Moyer's age. But I was wrong. I'm guessing the Phillies think Moyer, who made $7 million last season, would get a significant raise, much more than they would like to pay, even on a one-year deal. And like Burrell, I don't think the Phillies liked the idea of Moyer accepting arbitration and possibly having to wait until February to know how much they would be paying him because it might preclude them for pursuing other interests either through free agency or trades.

But this doesn't mean Burrell and Moyer won't be back next season. I still think the Phillies and Moyer can work out an agreement. And if the Phillies don't like what they see out there, they can always bring back Burrell ... albeit at a lower price. The only thing the Phillies risk is that they won’t receive draft picks as compensation if either player signs with another team. Both players are Type A free agents, which means the Phillies would have received two draft picks if either player would have signed elsewhere. But based on what they did, the Phillies obviously feel the compensation wasn't worth the risk of them accepting arbitration.

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The Phillies also didn't offer arbitration to Tom Gordon or Rudy Seanez.

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The Associated Press wrote that just two of 171 players who filed for free agency have agreed to contracts (Ryan Dempster and Jeremey Affeldt). And just 24 of them were offered salary arbitration. So I guess the Phillies aren't alone. For example, the Yankees didn't offer arbitration to Andy Pettitte, Bobby Abreu or Jason Giambi.

A.J. Burnett, Derek Lowe, Ibanez and Cruz were offered arbitration from their respective teams. They are Type A free agents, which means the Phillies would have to forfeit a top pick to sign them. The Reds offered arbitration to David Weathers, who the Phillies could have some interest in. He is a Type B free agent, so the Phillies wouldn't lose a pick to sign him. Other relief pitchers the Phillies could have some interest in like Doug Brocail and Russ Springer were not offered arbitration.

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Posted by yougottabelieve26 12:23 AM, 12/02/2008
I just don't agree with these decisions. I mean you ask anyone, including Todd, and they will tell you that the Moyer choice was a no-brainer. I just can't say I really know what the heck Amaro is thinking here.
Posted by MrPhillie 12:38 AM, 12/02/2008
It was mentioned on CBS Sportsline how Jermaine Dye would be a good fit in Philadelphia. Is there any truth to the rumor that the Phils maight be loking to trade for Dye? I know he's 34 yrs-old, so other than wanting someone a bit younger, he actually does make sense for the Phillies. He's a proven hitter, decent average, good power and RBI numbers, doesn't have ridiculously high strikeout numbers, has decent OBP and SLG %'s...plus he made 9.5M last year, which is a good salary for his production. Anyway, just curious how serious this option is at the moment. As for pitching, I like Jamie, but if the Phils have a realistic shot at Lowe, isn't that the better option, all things being equal? And I know they're not equal, I'm just saying....
Posted by PhilliesWS08 12:54 AM, 12/02/2008
This is asinine. If you offer arbitration, you will either sign your left fielder to a 1-year deal or receive draft picks if he leaves (draft picks that the Phillies desperately need to rebuild their farm system). I hope I'm wrong, but I have a feeling that this will be the first of many foolish moves by Amaro.
Posted by eaglephanatic 01:10 AM, 12/02/2008
I don't get the Moyer decision, either. Most teams are looking for pitching, so chances are that the Phillies will be outbid by anther team for him. Is he injured?
Posted by rbecker1963 01:22 AM, 12/02/2008
I actually agree with these moves. Why should the Phils be boxed in for Burrell's 15 mil and Moyers 8 mil? That's 23 million against a few compensation picks? No brainer. Neither of these players are worth that kind of money. We go and get a Jermaine Dye or whoever and let the Happ kid pitch. In fact, let's make Eaton earn his pay. Amaro has this right.
Posted by timmie 01:28 AM, 12/02/2008
Looks like the Phils are going to live off that title for the foreseeable future. What they don't realize is that if they fall off next season and people attribute it to moves like this and blast the organization. Should've offered both Moyer and Burrell arbitration. And I doubt Burrell would've accepted considering he's old, his performance could fall off and he can get a longer contract elsewhere.
Posted by pog 02:05 AM, 12/02/2008
Bad idea....for much of the season, Moyer was the stopper out of the 3 slot in the rotation....he kept losing streaks from being longer, plus he was a positive influnce for the younger pitchers...... i guess the phillies have enough clubhouse leadership, especially on their pitching staff.....
Posted by robm0202 02:23 AM, 12/02/2008
For all of you, and it seem like a minority, who think that declining arbitration on Burrell was a good idea, I am going to reel off some past compensation picks made by other teams over the last 5 or 6 years. Let me know if you still think declining arbitration on Burrell, who was 90% going to decline it himself, was a good idea. David Wright, Joba Chamberlain & Ian Kennedy (both of whom were given to the Yankees as compensation for signing good ole Tom Gordon), Jacoby Ellsbury, Joe Blanton, Adam Wainwright, Clay Buchholz, Huston Street, Jed Lowrie, Kelly Johnson, Conor Jackson, Phil Hughes, Blake Dewitt, Adrian Cardenas, and Colby Rasmus (Cardinals top prospect). Now these guys are all Major League players (some stars) or at least top prospects in their system that were all used with compensation picks received from a Type A signing elsewhere. Still like the move?
Posted by jeff gross 02:36 AM, 12/02/2008
This is about MONEY!! For once, the owners as a whole seem to be saying that the salaries are out of control. By not offering arbitration you aren't saying you have no interest, but that you think the salaries being handed out in arbitration have been outragious. This is a way of lowering salaries across the board for good, stable players. The real stars (Manny, CC) and the real great upcoming players (Teixeira) will still get huge payouts, but the regular good players (Pat, Aberu, and 90% of the FAs) will be getting pay cuts. All in all, good move. The Phils need to spend money, but not to throw it away because they want to move fast. Who is going to give Moyers more then us? He's a good guy, who will come to the team and say, "X offered my this much, can you beat it?" of couse we will.
Posted by red rock 04:20 AM, 12/02/2008
Please,rbecker,NO!,don't make Eaton "earn his pay"...if we're real quiet and turn out all the lights,maybe he'll just go away...just like W.
Posted by fla 05:45 AM, 12/02/2008
I don't like it. Now if Moyer leaves, to replace him with a comparable free agent they will pay more then Moyer would heave received in arbitration, over more years and lose a draft pick besides not receiving 2 picks for Moyer. Makes no sense.
Posted by Mark1npt 08:00 AM, 12/02/2008
Maybe they weren't offered arbitration because they and the team have already mutually decided they will re-sign, at some point here in the near future, without all the animosity that accompanies the process?
Posted by NJLouis66 08:47 AM, 12/02/2008
In the Phils' defense here, it may be that they want to pursue what they think are upgrades in place of both Moyer and Burrell first. Therefore, offering arbitration risks having that player actually accept it, effectively cancelling other pursuits. Like Todd said, the surprise is with Moyer, who, it seemed, the Phils really wanted back. Perhaps the Phils expect something to resolve there soon negating the need for an arbitration offer.
Posted by RunningTheBases 09:40 AM, 12/02/2008
In previous seasons the comments listed above about offering arbitration to Moyer and Burrell would be correct. However, this off-season appears to be a sea-change as indicated by jeff gross. They're declining each for different reasons. If the Phillies honestly thought Moyer would walk they would offer arbitration. Obviously, Moyer would have won a large raise in arbitration, but risk losing him if some team throws alot of money at him. This is very doubtful. The Phillies believe Burrell is no longer worth $14 million in today's market when Howard and Utley are the team's better hitters, and Pat is declining more each year defensively, plate discipline and batting average. The Phillies need to allocate money more to players going forward. Most fans do not see Burrell in a realistic light because they love him. However, he was rated 29th out of 30 left fielders defensively in running down fly balls and keeping hits as singles instead of doubles. And, Burrell should have an batting average well above .250, and more rbis with 33 homers, especially for $14 million a year.
Posted by KarenA 09:53 AM, 12/02/2008
Not sure how much sense it makes not offering Moyer arbitration. Like I said in previous thread, it will be interesting to see what happens with the big names on the free agent list (CC, Manny etc.) Wonder if they'll accept their arbitration??
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Andy Martino is in his first season on the Phillies beat. A former New York City public school teacher and graduate of the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism, he previously wrote for the New York Daily News, where he covered baseball and worked with the award-winning investigative sports "I-team."