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Monday, December 8, 2008
Mark DeRosa, a former quarterback at Penn, could be headed to the Phillies in a three-team trade.

Here is what The Inquirer's Jim Salisbury is reporting from the winter meetings in Las Vegas:

The Phillies are working on a complex trade that could fill two needs: insurance at second base for Chase Utley, who had hip surgery last month, and a righthanded bat in left field.

That player is Mark DeRosa.

Salisbury reports that in a proposed multi-team trade, DeRosa would go from the Chicago Cubs to the Phillies. The Phillies would send the Cubs a prospect or two, which in turn could be sent to the San Diego Padres in a package for pitcher Jake Peavy. Lefthanded pitcher J.A. Happ is one of the prospects the Phils could part with. There were rumblings that the proposed deal could include a fourth team, most likely the Baltimore Orioles.

DeRosa hit .285 with 21 homers and 87 RBIs in 149 games for the Cubs last season. He played six positions during the season, including 95 games at second base and 27 in leftfield. DeRosa is signed for 2009 at a reasonable $5.5 million.

In addition to DeRosa, the Phils still had free-agent leftfielder Raul Ibanez in their sights. The Phils need to add a leftfielder to take the place of free agent Pat Burrell, who is unlikely to be re-signed. In a perfect world, the Phils would add a righthanded-hitting outfielder because the middle of their order already features two lefthanded bats in Utley and Ryan Howard. However, a person with knowledge of the Phillies' thinking said the team is open to adding a lefthanded hitter such as Ibanez.

Ibanez hit .305 (60 for 197) against lefthanded pitching while playing for the Seattle Mariners last season. Overall, he hit .293 with 23 homers and 110 RBIs while playing in all 162 games. Ibanez, 36, has spent 10 of his 13 major-league seasons with the Mariners, and is a favorite of former Mariners and Phillies general manager Pat Gillick. Gillick stepped down as Phillies GM after the World Series but remains a consultant with the team and is present at these winter meetings.

New Phils GM Ruben Amaro Jr. would not talk about specific targets, but Ibanez's agent, Seth Levinson, confirmed that the Phils are involved with his client. Ibanez, who has averaged 112 RBIs over the last three seasons, is likely to be seeking a multiyear deal worth $10 million to $12 million per season. The Cubs and New York Mets are interested in Ibanez, but the Mets have moved him to the back burner as they pursue, as one team official said, "Pitching, pitching, pitching." Ibanez lives in Miami and would like to play on the East Coast, which could help the Phillies' chances if they don’t get DeRosa.

If the Phils don't get DeRosa or Ibanez, they may go after free agent Juan Rivera, a righthanded hitter who played for the Angels in 2008, and use him as part of a platoon with Greg Dobbs. The Minnesota Twins could trade outfielder Delmon Young and the Phillies have checked him out, as they would any available player. Phils officials say Young is far down their list of possibilities.

Posted by Todd Zolecki @ 11:31 PM  Permalink | 69 comments
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Posted 10:09 PM, 12/09/2008
RollinsWasRight
Huh...this shows what I know... apparently the Padres traded Khalil Greene to the Cardinals days ago... how did I miss that?
Posted 05:31 PM, 12/09/2008
freyday17
Let's jump in all the way ! We send Happ, Coste and Jenkins to the Cubs and get DeRosa and Marquis, who the Cubs have to move since he'll be their 6th starter ! We get a decent pitcher, and a guy who will outhit Bruntlett and any righthanded batter who wants to play left. Dobbs can platoon in left and/or third, while Bruntlett plays third or second as needed and maybe left if DeRosa is at second. When Utley and Feliz are fully healthy, we have a super bench. Humm, do you think the Cubs would take Eaton, too ?
Posted 05:15 PM, 12/09/2008
EL Zorro
Billy, why are you saying Rivera is a question mark? He broke a leg. Some times you cannot avoid an injury. So I guess Rollisn is a question mark also because he had an ankle injury or any injured player for that matter. And last year he was a platoon player because Art Moreno, the Angels owner, has a lot of money and is not afraid to use it. So he went for Matthews in 2007 and for Torii Hunter in 2008 and for Teixieira at the trade deadline and he will keep going after anybody who is out there… And the reason I put his 2006 numbers were because that was his first full season. And BTW he had 454 AB the year putting pretty good numbers. Like I said before, the Cubs/Padres deal is being on and off since after the World Series because the Cubs don’t have the young pitchers the Padres want in return and it might not happen unless a team like the Phillies help. The Padres might keep Peavy and trade him at the trade deadline. I would not get my enemy an extra bullet that he could use to shoot me later. We can do better without sacrificing anybody.
Posted 05:08 PM, 12/09/2008
RollinsWasRight
Fun new rumors - I read somewhere that the Padres are not interested in JA Happ, but that report didn't deny the Phillies involvement in discussions with the Cubs and Pads. Pure speculation on my part, but rumor has it, the Padres want to unload Khalil Greene's contract, which would create a need for a young, ML ready shortstop...I wonder if the Padres are trying to pry Jason Donald from the Phillies in this deal, and if that were the case, I wonder what the Phillies want from the Padres/Cubs in return. All indications are that Jason Donald's stock is really high around the league right now. Wonder if the Phillies might finally do something right in these situations and sell high.
Posted 04:24 PM, 12/09/2008
RollinsWasRight
I also read somewhere that this deal is also contingent upon the third team taking Jason Marquis, and a substantial portion of his $9M salary for 2009, off the Cubs' hands. Absolutely no thanks. They can keep their Chicago-version Adam Eaton. We already have the original.
Posted 03:31 PM, 12/09/2008
Billy The Kid
Jeff, re-read bud, Rivera is the question mark, I think it's pretty safe in thinking you'll get .280/18/80 from DeRosa next year. Who know what you'll get from Rivera? Again, what has Happ done? Pitched a good game against the Braves triple A team late in the season? Really, people severely overvalue JA Happ. He's no better than a #3 or #4 pitcher in a rotation at the most. Truth...sorry I bring something to the table with my opinion other than telling everybody they're brain washed. I forgot about more baseball than you'll ever know buddy.
Posted 03:13 PM, 12/09/2008
B in DC
Does it seem to anyone else that the Cubs are the only team getting a clearly good deal out of this whole mess, (except Peavy himself)? No-trade clauses should be outlawed - that's where this whole thing came from anyway. If the Padres had free reign to trade Peavy, they'd move him at the deadline for a way better deal than JA Happ and whatever other minor leaguer they'll pick up in this deal.
Posted 03:09 PM, 12/09/2008
Truth
Jeff-Billy rarely makes any sense. He pontificates using a million sentences to make a point someone else made a few posts earlier. Billy the Kid aka Stats gone Wild....
Posted 02:59 PM, 12/09/2008
Gary Varsho
Jeff - You may not care, but those are the facts. The Cubs didn't ask for Happ, the Padres would be. The Cubs don't want Happ, the Padres do. We can ask the Cubs for whatever we want, as you said they obviously wouldn't do it, so its not even relevant. And maybe the club doesn't see Donald as the solution at 2b, and if we can have a solid veteran who fits more than just the 2b role, (i.e. left field, right handed bat off the bench, a better soution at 3b if Feliz is hurt) there is no problem with pursuing it.
Posted 02:56 PM, 12/09/2008
RollinsWasRight
Varsho - I had heard it the other way around. No matter, my viewpoint is the same. I like the idea of adding DeRosa, but I think Happ is worth more than a middle-aged utilityman.
Posted 02:52 PM, 12/09/2008
jeff gross
RWR: While I like your trade I don't think the Cubs would go for it. Gary, I don't care how the actual paperwork goes, but we are dealing with the Cubs. If they ship player to us directly, or via San Diego it makes no difference. The problem with this trade is it still doesn't answer our problem in LF. As I've said, DeRosa is not part of the solution at 2B until Chase is back, that's why we have Donald.
Posted 02:45 PM, 12/09/2008
Gary Varsho
RWR - actually its that the Padres were going to ask for DeRosa and flip him to the Phillies for Happ. Our negotiation here is with the Padres.
Posted 02:32 PM, 12/09/2008
RollinsWasRight
Here's an idea - instead of DeRosa, if the Cubs want Happ in order to flip him for Jake Peavy, tell them you will trade them Happ as part of a deal for Rich Harden, otherwise, no thanks. DeRosa isn't worth a quality LH SP prospect.
Posted 02:27 PM, 12/09/2008
RollinsWasRight
Ok, I tried to read through all the comments, but I ran out of patience, so I am sorry if I am about to repeat something that has already been mentioned. Put simply, I like the idea (DeRosa would be a nice addition), hate the price tag. He a 34 year old (I laughed at the career numbers comparison between him and Werth - he has about a decade more major league experience than Werth) utility player whose price tag is bloated by his career year. One year of that is not worth a quality LH starting pitching propsect, who, at the moment, is probably the front-runner your 5th starter spot next year.
Posted 02:21 PM, 12/09/2008
jeff gross
so what are you trying to say Billy? You make no sense at all. As for Happ being a career minor leaguer, I think you over reached on that. 26 is not the end of a career, but the beginning of one. He was injured one year in spring training, and came up big last year, his first real season on the radar. Whether he is a number 5, a number 1, a Cy Young winner or what, we don't know. Giving up young, Left handed pitching is not a smart thing to do in general, and certainly not for a "Question Mark"
Posted 02:09 PM, 12/09/2008
dpcoz
we should trade Adam Eaton to the Yankees for Alex Rodgiguez. (Who's going to take this one seriously?)
Posted 02:03 PM, 12/09/2008
Billy The Kid
Zorro, I believe this is Rivera's first time being a free agent. Maybe I shot a little high, but I'm figuring the guy signs a deal similar to the contract signed by Jenkins, who's getting a guaranteed $13M in 2 years if you include his buyout after this coming season, which I'm going out on a limb and saying the Phils exercise. At the very least, the guy signs a deal worth at least as much as DeRosa...and the guy has had a history of being injured. You just projected Rivera's numbers over a season and got roughly what DeRosa did last year. Rivera, by the way, has never had 500 AB's in a season so to project his numbers over 500 AB's is senseless since there's no sign that it would ever happen. DeRosa, however, has 500 AB's in each of the last three seasons. Rivera may be younger, but he's the bigger injury risk. As for their splits, DeRosa is still going to be hitting in a hitter's park, so what's the difference? ...and you're still going all the way back to 2006 for Rivera's numbers. He's done nothing in 2 years...whether it's because injury or lack of playing time, he's done nothing. He's a question mark. People, we're talking about giving up JA Happ here...not Sandy Koufax. JA Happ, a 26 yr old career minor leaguer with almost no major league experience...and for the guy who said he could be a "perennial all star", thanks, you made pepsi come out of my nose with that one. I have to clean my monitor now.
Posted 12:44 PM, 12/09/2008
jeff gross
Wonder if we can make teh trade with Kendrick instead of Happ
Posted 12:19 PM, 12/09/2008
EL Zorro
Billy, Rivera broke a leg after 2006. Then the Angels overpaid for Gary Mattews Jr. in 2007 to replace him and last year they got Torii Hunter. Rivera was the odd man out. He had 12 homers and 45 RBI but those numbers were in only 256 ABS. In a full season (500 ABS or more) those numbers project to 25 HR and 90 RBI. Not bad. He is also three years younger than DeRosa. And where did you get that he is going to be more expensive? He only made $2 million last year and he did not play the whole season. Also, DeRosa benefited by playing in hitter-friendly Wrigley field where he batted .316, compare to .254 on the road. Rivera put similar numbers playing in a not so friendly park. Imagine him in Wrigley or here for that matter. Rivera, in the other hand, had similar numbers in 2006 at home (.308 12 HR, 41 RBI) and on the road (.312, 11 and 44). You can look it up. And Jeff, I agree, we have Donald to replace Utley until he recovers. And Gary, don't get me wrong, I like DeRosa as a nice piece to our team. I just don't feel good about the trade. I hate to give up on a Happ, especially when we don't have pitching depth in our minor league and when there are other options.
Posted 12:18 PM, 12/09/2008
jeff gross
stupid censors. I tried to post taht I heard that the problem with Moyer was that he's ofered 2 years at 14 million and wants 2 years at 18 million. can't believe he is making an issue about a "measely" 4 million
Posted 12:12 PM, 12/09/2008
mikemcs
I don't know what to think about the three-way trade possibility....DeRosa could work out well for the Phils, or he could flop, Happ could go on to be a perennial All-Star, and Peavy could end up being the "missing piece" that the Cubs need.....and what is the hold-up with Moyer??? I know he's old but he's worth at least one more year.....
Posted 12:11 PM, 12/09/2008
jeff gross
Gary, even if he would come to Phila, can you imagine what COle would ask for if we get Peavey at 63 million? they don't print that much money. I would still like to hear from Todd how the philies percieve the 5 guys competing to be the #5 starter. Well, okay, 4 guys, we know how they percieve E--as a corpse in a uniform with no where to go
Posted 12:05 PM, 12/09/2008
James TL
Don't agree with you Greg. Happ doesn't have a lot of talent. He relies on spotting his pitches and must improve his change up if he is going to be effective. He's sort of a LH Kyle Kendrick. I don't think he will ever be a great pitcher so trading him for a regular LF seems like a good deal. Not sure if DeRosa will have a year similar to last year but I would trade for him. I'd trade Donald for a new SP of let him start the season in AAA at 3B. The Phils will need a replacement for Feliz in 2010.
Posted 12:03 PM, 12/09/2008
Gary Varsho
Jeff - Peavey listed teams he would accept a trade to, the Phillies were not one of them.
Posted 12:02 PM, 12/09/2008
jeff gross
Even if this deal gets done, it won't be for a while. The Cubs first need to find an owner before paying out 63 million for Peavey. As for why the Phils dont' trade for Peavey themselves, it's the same 63 million reasons mentioned above.
Posted 11:51 AM, 12/09/2008
jeff gross
NEWS FLASH: we don't need someone to fill in for Chase for first month, we have him. His name is Jason Donald. He plasy 2B until Chase returns and then goes to AAA to learn how to play 3B for 2010 when Feliz is history. We do need a LF. IF DeRosa is the answer or not I'm not convinced given the price, length of service (1 year) etc
Posted 11:48 AM, 12/09/2008
phillygreg
happ is a lefty and strikes guys out. that is worth big money on the free agent market, so keep him! look at what teams are paying randy wolf and he basically does the same thing! a k an inning or a little less and he's left handed. plus there is no way the trade is getting done without a third team, the cubs dont have the prospects, so if we pull it we could kill the deal. forget it, derosa is a chump.
Posted 11:36 AM, 12/09/2008
Gary Varsho
Zorro - DeRosa may not be an all-star - but he is a solid player that can play 2b until Utley returns and fill in as a right handed bat in left field/off the bench - something we need. Plus, if Feliz continues to have back problems (back problems never go away), he could play 3B - and he only costs 5.5 mil. Happ is 26 and although he had a decent year last year in the minors, he's not exactly the next Cole Hamels.
Posted 11:35 AM, 12/09/2008
KarenA
Getting Derosa doesn't sound like such a bad idea. Happ still might prove to a better pitcher and it would be nice to see Happ/Kendrick/Carrasco etc duking it out for a spot on the rotation. Also hope Kendrick bounce back. Via High Cheese blog...In other trade rumors a Japanese news service is reporting that the Astros/Ed Wade are interested in So Taguchi!
Posted 11:29 AM, 12/09/2008
Billy The Kid
Zorro, this trade is going to get done between the Pads and Cubs. It's just a matter of the Cubs finding somebody to get rid of some salary. If the Phils get in or not, Peavy will be starting for the Cubs next year. Why not add a cheap option that can be a solution to multiple needs at various points throughout the season and still have some money left to add a pitcher? You talk about Juan Rivera like he's a better option. His best year was 2006 when he hit .310 with 23 HR's and 85 RBI...and again, that was in '06. Last year Rivera hit .246 with 12 and 46...and Rivera will cost you more money (prob $7-$8M per for 2 or 3 yrs) ...and he's not nearly as versatile as DeRosa. I'll ask again...what has Happ done to prove that he's anything more than a back of the rotation starter...at best?
Posted 11:26 AM, 12/09/2008
James TL
I would trade Happ for DeRosa in a minute. Happ will never be a great pitcher--a 4th or 5th starter at best. If the Phils make this trade they would have to sign Moyer or Lowe. Moyer would be the most probable. Even if Moyer isn't as good as last year his ability as a teacher must be taken into account. I like DeRosa's versatility. He can play the first month at 2B and then take over LF for most of the season. Signing him during the season to a contract past 2009 is something the Phils should do. I won't miss Pat Burrell and his slow feet, streaky hitting and poor OF play. Trade for DeRosa if all it takes is Happ.
Posted 11:24 AM, 12/09/2008
EL Zorro
B in DC, apparently the Padres view Happ as a starter. They want young pitchinbg and that's the player they are asking from the Phillies. I read that Coste might be in the mix also.
Posted 10:51 AM, 12/09/2008
EL Zorro
Gary, you guys are talking like this guy is an allstar. He had a career year last year and hit only 21 HR. His career best was 13. I rather go after Rivera who is younger without giving a player in return and helping a team in our own league. And yes, teams make trades in their own division, I know that. And as for Peavy going to the Cubs or Braves, that might no happen. They have been discussing this trade since right after the World Series. That’s why they are looking for trading partners. Why should we volunteer and help them? That’s my point.
Posted 10:49 AM, 12/09/2008
jeff gross
Todd, can you enlighten us as to where in the rotation the Phils project Happ, Kendrick, Carpenter and Carrasco. It will be much apreciated as none of us know what we're talking about when it comes to this.
Posted 10:48 AM, 12/09/2008
B in DC
Projecting JA Happ as anything other than a 4-5 starter is insane at this point. Seems the Phils think more of Carrasco, and from what I gather, they don't think he projects to the top of the rotation either. More like a solid 3 or 4.
Posted 10:47 AM, 12/09/2008
B in DC
Projecting JA Happ as anything other than a 4-5 starter is insane at this point. Seems the Phils think more of Carrasco, and from what I gather, they don't think he projects to the top of the rotation either. More like a solid 3 or 4.
Posted 10:47 AM, 12/09/2008
jeff gross
Dave: Calling Truth an idiot is not necessary. It's like calling Bill Gates rich, or Lefty a great pitcher. Somethings are just so obvious they don't need to be said.... (laugh Truth and say you're sorry)
Posted 10:46 AM, 12/09/2008
jeff gross
Dave: Calling Truth an idiot is not necessary. It's like calling Bill Gates rich, or Lefty a great pitcher. Somethings are just so obvious they don't need to be said.... (laugh Truth and say you're sorry)
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Posted 10:34 AM, 12/09/2008
Gary Varsho
El Zorro - teams trade within the league all the time, its not like they are helping the Mets. And in fact, the Cubs or Braves are really the likely places for Peavey and I would rather have him on the Cubs. So if we can get a solid every day player out of it that would bring .290 BA, 21 HR and close to 100 RBI, I would do it, because that what this team needs.
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Posted 10:30 AM, 12/09/2008
Gary Varsho
Truth - tell me where I said this wasn't a good move, then tell me about my loser mentality?
Posted 10:28 AM, 12/09/2008
JayW
I don't think Amaro has said anything about trading Happ. And he's done nothing to indicate that his primary focus has changed from pitching. Their challenge is how to gradually make room for the young pitchers--Happ and Carrasco--without hurting the ballclub. It would have helped if they had gotten Happ into the rotation last season. But he should still be the presumptive fifth starter.
Posted 10:23 AM, 12/09/2008
EL Zorro
Jeff, one of the first rules the general managers follow is "don't trade in your own division (or league for that matter) unless you have to.'' In this particular case, the Phillies don't have to. They have other options that are better, in my opinion, than go after DeRosa, without losing a player or helping rivals. And teams worry about their rivals making trades or signing free agents. Ask the Yankees or Boston, who BTW each year try to prevent each other from improving by going after the same players. See the CC Sabathia, Mark Teixeira, Derreck Lowe sweepstakes this year.
Posted 10:22 AM, 12/09/2008
Billy The Kid
Jeff, I agree. This Cubs-Pads deal for Peavy is getting done with or without the Phillies so if you can make your own team better by getting involved, then by all means, you do it. As for Happ, I'd give him up in a second for DeRosa. DeRosa is only making $5M this year and your only committed to the guy for one year. Let's be honest, JA Happ's ceiling is a #3 or #4 pitcher. If you bring back Moyer and KK bounces back or, better yet, sign Derek Lowe (I know, it's a long shot), you have no use for Happ anyway. Mayberry has nothing to do with this move. The Phillies took a shot with that guy, who's been a bit of a disappointment with Texas, and gave up a guy (Golson) that's been a bit of a disappointment here. I can't believe he's going to be the starting LF in 2009. I think the best you can hope for is 2010 with that guy...at best. DeRosa makes perfect sense...he fills in for Utley early in the season, then he's your everyday LF. Plus, he can play third, if/when Feliz gets hurt. There's no downside in trading Happ for him in my opinion.
Posted 10:22 AM, 12/09/2008
Truth
Gary, you adopt a losing mentality and its sad. Like J-Roll said it takes a team not a player. This move adds to the team.
Posted 10:16 AM, 12/09/2008
jp
Bottom line. You never have enough pitching. Period. Done. If we don't get any pitching in this proposed three way deal than forget it. Guaranteed that if Happ is dealt he will be another Gavin Floyd, and Amaro will forever have his legacy within three months of assuming the mantel of GM. This kind of reminds me of the deal where the Phillies sent future Hall of Famer Ferguson Jenkins to the Cubs for Larry Jackson. I think that was the infamous Roy Haney who made that deal. He also traded Rookie of the Year Jack Sanford to the Giants for .190 hitting catcher Valmi Thomas and washed righthander Ruben Gomez. Sanford, along with a rookie named Juan Marichal, made the Giants a powerhouse for years. So, Ruben, you're going trade Happ for a 36 year old role player? Somebody break out the tar and feathers.
Posted 10:14 AM, 12/09/2008
Truth
Davegas, your an idiot. As far as DeRosa personally, I feel this is a great move. Keep in mind the goal is another WORLD SERIES next year. This move even if for one season provides depth this guy can play each and every position on the field he is no push over, who can only play the field. He will absorb a pitchers energy at the plate. I think this fits in well with the philosophy that the Phillies have. Think a little deeper Utley is coming off an injury, Rollins took a long time to heal from his ankle "sprain". Feliz had back surgery. This gives you alot of flexibility to move guys around. We really don't know how Dobbs will handle 400-450 at bats, Stairs is a retread. This proposed deal helps the team in a big way...
Posted 10:11 AM, 12/09/2008
jeff gross
zwarte piet: Were you in this world last season? The one thing the Phils lacked was steady offence. LF is not a minor thinkg. If you platoon Brunlet and Jenkins, as you suggest, who is your back-up inf? Last I looked, Brunlet was a good field no hit guy, not quite the one to replace Pat's 30 HR and 90 RBIs (or even half of that)
Posted 10:08 AM, 12/09/2008
jeff gross
Zoro: You NEVER worry more about the other team then your own. If a trade is good for you, it shouldn't matter if it also helps another team. While I also don't think DeRosa is a great player, I'm not convinced that Happ is either. he may be a 4-5 SP, he may be a long reliever, he may be the next Marty Bystrom (Who?)DeRosa defiantely fits in with our needs, if as a LF this year and the ultimate bench player next year. As I have said I'm not convinced it is a grat move, but whether it helps the Cubs is irrelevent. As for you Crystal ball, look at that team and tell me why you think they won't continue to fold every Sept/ Oct. They have no leadership, no spirit, and they have to get past the Philies each year to make the WS. They will not win a Penant, no less a Serries. They're jinxed
Posted 10:04 AM, 12/09/2008
zwarte piet
Cubs and New York Mets are interested in Ibanez, but the Mets have moved him to the back burner as they pursue, as one team official said, "Pitching, pitching, pitching." Interesting. Didnt Amaro say recently that pitching was his top priority? Then why is he trying to address this minor need in LF. We can platoon Bruntlett and a leftfielder there. We'll be fine because we have plenty of offense. We wont be fine if we go into the season with Hamels as the only pitcher in the rotation who is guaranteed to win 15.
Posted 09:59 AM, 12/09/2008
EL Zorro
jeff, how can you help your opponent with trades, specially when they are getting one of the best pitchers in baseball and you are getting a bench player, who happens to have a career year last year and only had 85 RBI? And how do you know the Cubs are not going to win a WS next year? Do you have a crystal ball? Amazing coment.
Posted 09:53 AM, 12/09/2008
NJLouis66
Well, at least DeRosa is the one guy who actually provided some offense for the Cubs against the Dodgers in the playoffs last year. I'd hate to see Happ go without getting a serious shot at cracking into the rotation. I was looking forward to the Kendrick-Carrasco-Happ-Eaton competition in Spring Training for that fifth spot.
Posted 09:52 AM, 12/09/2008
timm2
giving away prospects to get a 30something yr old role player for 1 year is not the right move in my mind. i would rather use happ as a chip in something else, even if it is after the season starts. and krod looks like he might go to the mets. that is good news bc he is an over rated closer that is losing his fastball. i like when the mets waste money.
Posted 09:20 AM, 12/09/2008
jeff gross
Todd, you are so right. A great answer to Dave. What I want to know, is why would they consider DeRosa if he is a FA after this year? Do they expect maybery to be ready by 2010? Otherwise, they seem to be willing to give up a great SP prospect for a one year rental. While I'd like to see a Righty in LF, not at the price of Happ if only for one year. Have we talked to DeRosa about a contract extension before making this deal (have him sign it with the Cubs before we make teh trade)
Posted 09:19 AM, 12/09/2008
phillygreg
Any truth to rumors about the cards? I'd love one of their OF players since it would improve our D, team speed, and still give us some power if we added ankiel.
Posted 09:13 AM, 12/09/2008
Todd Zolecki
davegas, I've asked Amaro several times if Burrell is as good as gone. Here's the deal. Why would the Phillies call up Burrell, tell him, "You're not coming back under any circumstances?" That makes absolutely no sense. They don't want him back -- their actions are fairly clear -- but if something happens where they find he is their best option, then they will turn to him. You never close your options in baseball. Never, never, never. I'm not sure why you need Amaro to publicly announce that they aren't bringing back Burrell under any circumstances, but again, that's not the smart thing to do. Because if they can't trade for DeRosa or sign Ibanez or Rivera, then guess what? Burrell might be who they want to pursue.
Posted 08:58 AM, 12/09/2008
jeff gross
Don't concern yourself about what the Cubs get. The one thing they won't get is a World Series Ring. Not this year, not next year, not for a hundred years. You make the moves based on what is good for your team. Whether this move is good or not--see my comment above
Posted 08:49 AM, 12/09/2008
EL Zorro
DeRosa is a nice piece to have in your ballclub, but I won't trade a future starter for him; is not a good deal and then helping the Cubs obtain Peavy. No way. Forget about Ibañez, we don't need another left-handed batter, who happens to be 36 year old and wants a multi-year contract at 10 or 12 millions a year. He hits .300 against lefties last year, but that doesn’t mean he is going to be successful next year. We also lose a first round pick. I rather have Juan Rivera, who is younger, cheaper and we won't lose a pick. Now, Ken Rosenthal is reporting that the Phillies and Cardinals are discussing a trade involving one of their outfielders: Schumaker, Ankiel or Ludwick. The problem is they want a reliever. I will go Ryan Madson for Ryan Ludwick, and then try to sign Juan Cruz as my set up guy. Schumaker is a nice player too, a .300 plus hitter with good speed, but he happens to hit from the left side. He could lead off and Jimmy could be moved to the middle of the order. It would not be that bad. Madson was good last year, but he has his up and downs and Scott Boras is his agent. He will be a free agent after next year, I believe, and Boras is already overpricing him. We might lose him anyway.
Posted 08:43 AM, 12/09/2008
Gary Varsho
Peavey didn't list the Phillies as a team that he could be traded to. So its unlikely a trade for him could be made. I actually don't mind the deal. He's signed for 5.5 million - that's a bargain to have 2b insurance and a left field platoon guy who can almost replace Burrell's production.
Posted 08:42 AM, 12/09/2008
phillygreg
why on earth would you help the cubs get peavy? so basically we get a decent OF who can play a lot of positions, and the cubs get one of the best SP in baseball. whyyyyy? just sign juan rivera, give up 0 prospects, and let peavy stay put on a last place team! even ed wade wouldnt do something this dumb!
Posted 07:30 AM, 12/09/2008
tkdfrank
If the Padres are so high on Happ why aren't we just trading with them directly for Peavey? I'd prefer him in our rotation as opposed to DeRosa in a platoon.
Posted 06:54 AM, 12/09/2008
jeff gross
Before we make this trade, we need to think about certain things 1) Is DeRosa signed for 2010? DO we want him long term or only for a season?2) is Mayburry projected as the starting LF in 2010? If so, we are in effect renting DeRosa for a year for 5.5 million + J.A. Happ. THis is not a good move!! 3) How does 1 player play LF and 2B at the same time? Since the answer is- he doesn't, DeRosa either isn't the answer to LF or isn't the answer to 2B until Chase comes back. 4) Is DOnald projected to be a real option for 3B in future? If not, perhaps now is the time to trade him instead of Happ. Where is Happ projected to pitch long term (i.e. where is he projected to be in three years)(top of rotation, 2-3 in rotation, 4-5 in rotation?) What are we truly giving away? Once all these answers are given we can decide if getting this talented versitile player is in our interests or not. As of now, I am looking at Donald as my 2B until Chase returns, Happ as my #4-5 starter, and a hole in LF. If Moyer isn't back, I am still short a SP. I'd think carefully before getting rid of a SP unless Mayburry isn't projected to be in LF in 2010, and then I have to ask, why did we get him at all?
Posted 06:50 AM, 12/09/2008
lseltzer
(from Cot's Baseball Contracts - http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/chicago-cubs_112114177768677294.html) DeRosa is signed through '09. 5.5m for this coming year plus some incentives: $50,000 for Silver Slugger, $75,000 each for Gold Glove or All Star selection, $0.15M for LCS MVP, $0.2M for MVP, $0.25M for WS MVP I've always thought that my fellow Penn alum DeRosa would eventually land with the Phillies. If they think he can play 2nd and left then he's a good solution. BTW, DeRosa is actually older than Burrell by not quite 2 years
Posted 05:33 AM, 12/09/2008
ronin32
I'd like to know if he's signed past this year?
Posted 01:42 AM, 12/09/2008
werththewait
I think Derosa would be a nice pick up. He's a lot like Jayson Werth (just a touch better avg: .279/69HR/352 rbi compared to Werth's .263/57hr/222 rbi) but a little more versatile. He's also a hustle guy, if they give up Happ I'd be fine with it. I think KK is going to bounce back and if they can give Carrasco a good look it may pay dividends. Good move if Amaro doesn't mortgage too much.
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Posted 01:15 AM, 12/09/2008
Norma
DeRosa? Can play 2nd to fill in for Chase? AND left field? Decent BA, HR's and RBI #'s. Sounds almost too good to be true. Hate to lose Happ, though. I saw him battleing it out for our 5th starter position.
Posted 11:46 PM, 12/08/2008
timm2
pass, no thanks.
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