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Friday, December 5, 2008
The Phillies say negotiations with lefthander Jamie Moyer are moving slowly.

The Phillies leave Sunday for the winter meetings in Las Vegas, which I hear is a great place to work.

Ruben Amaro Jr. made it clear yesterday that his priority is pitching: finding a starting pitcher and improving the bullpen. Of course, the question at the moment is Jamie Moyer. What the heck is the hold up? Amaro would not say. Moyer's agent, Jim Bronner, also declined to say why negotiations have taken so long.

"I think Jamie definitely has interest in coming back to Philadelphia," Bronner said. "He also has some interest in some other places. The Phillies certainly made it easier for other clubs to want him by not offering him arbitration."

If the Phillies had offered Moyer arbitration before Monday's midnight deadline, other teams would have had to forfeit a top draft pick to sign him. Now that teams do not have to compensate the Phillies, Moyer would seem to be more attractive.

"We have talked to other teams," Bronner said.

The Phillies said they declined to offer Moyer arbitration because they felt they would lose payroll flexibility had he accepted. This leads me to believe the hold up might not be years in a potential contract, but money. Moyer made $7 million last year, when he won 16 games. I'm guessing that if he had accepted arbitration he would have compared himself to other 16-game winners (or pitchers who made much more than him, but didn't win 16 games). Perhaps Bronner is seeking a significant raise and the Phillies are reluctant because of Moyer's age. Regardless, I still think the Phillies can re-sign Moyer. I just think both sides are playing hardball.

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A source indicated yesterday that the Phillies haven't made an official offer to Derek Lowe, but parameters likely have been discussed.

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The Phillies will be looking for outfield help, too. Asked about who could protect Ryan Howard in the lineup should Pat Burrell not return, Amaro said earlier this week that Jayson Werth could be that guy.

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Chase Utley has done well since surgery on his right hip Nov. 24.

"We're real pleased with how things have progressed with Chase in the short time that he has started his rehab," Amaro said.

Amaro said Pedro Feliz, who had surgery on his lower back Nov. 20, "should be fine."

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Phillies prospect Jason Donald was named to the Arizona Fall League's top-prospect team. Donald was one of four hitters in the league to bat over .400. He finished second in the league in batting (.407) and doubles (12), and third in slugging percentage (.747).

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Need a holiday gift idea for that hardcore Phillies fan? A&E Home Video and Major League Baseball Productions releases "Philadelphia Phillies 2008 World Series Collector's Edition" on Dec. 9. It is an eight-DVD set, which includes every pitch from the five World Series games, every pitch from Games 4 and 5 of the NLCS and one DVD of bonus material. It also includes a feature where fans choose from four different audio tracks. That means fans can watch the FOX broadcast, while listening to Harry Kalas, Larry Andersen, Chris Wheeler and Scott Franzke.

Posted by Todd Zolecki @ 9:22 AM  Permalink | 51 comments
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Posted 09:52 AM, 12/07/2008
garyhod
What do you guys think we should do about Madson? I wonder if we should trade him now since his stock is so high... his agent is Boras, he recently said he's looking forward to free agency, and that he needs to make the best decision for his family's future...sounds like he won't be here long if we keep him....
Posted 03:21 PM, 12/06/2008
delennis
Werth is not the protection needed for Howard. He stikes out too much to be effective. Moyer is going to be 47. I question how much longer he will be effective. Lowe would be a great addition , but he will be expensive & want more than 3 years.
Posted 11:36 AM, 12/06/2008
psuwelsh
To replace Burrell the Phils should try to get someone who can hit 300 with 20 hrs and 75 rbis. This would protect Howard and lift the offense tremendously. On pitching, it would be impressive to get Lowe or someone like him to add to Hamels, Myers, Blanton and most likely Happ....Nice rotation! Moyer had a great year and if I were him I would retire, going out with a world championship. Besides those changes, I feel the team is in very good shape, especially with a possible catcher and infielder in the minors ready to come up.
Posted 09:27 AM, 12/06/2008
mick314
Abreau is to baseball integrity as the "King" is to broadcasting.
Posted 01:17 AM, 12/06/2008
jeff gross
Truth, if your looking to make a huge trade-then you trade Donald + Happ/Carlos for a legit # 2. However you do not give up the (arguably) best player in baseball. THe idea of trading ROllins is equally absurd, He makes peanuts and is well worth the cash. THe Howard idea bears some merrit as it is clear he will go searching for the huge payout when his arbitration days are done. We could get a #2 pitcher and a LF for him, but who plays first and hits 45 HR with 140+ RBI? simply put; the team is in great shape for the coming season and needs just one or two pieces to be a real threat to repeat. Stop fixing what ain't broke!!!
Posted 12:55 AM, 12/06/2008
KMG
Truth- if you're giving me Jon Lester, Santana or Evan Longoria in return for Utley then I'd think about it. Otherwise, forget it. He's a franchise player, the only way I even think of moving him is for a franchise player that's younger and that's not happening, so it's a moot point. On Moyer, if someone wants to give him two years and $20 million, good for him- it better not be the Phillies.
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Posted 11:13 PM, 12/05/2008
Don w
Trade Utley you've got to be kidding. Ive been watching the Phillies for 50 years and only player in his class was Mike Schmidt. Utley is a winner.
Posted 08:34 PM, 12/05/2008
EL Zorro
Intriguing proposal, MrPhillie. I always like De Jesus, a New Yorker who played college ball at Rutgers. I also like Billy Butler. But then, who is your power hitter? It looks like Burrell is gone, so you are losing your 4 & 5 hitters. Howard is a special player who is going to put it together soon. Watch out when he does. Wait a minute; he already won Rookie of the Year and an MVP, and he just missed his second in 3 years. I won’t give up on him yet. But I know you were kidding like Truth about Utley.
Posted 08:14 PM, 12/05/2008
Norma
Karen...Thanks for the bonus footage info. Sounds good! I don't even remember Werth hitting an inside-the-park'er! Maybe I was on vacation or something. LOL! That wasn't the game where he got all the way home on an error, was it? I kind of remember that happening to one of our players.
Posted 08:09 PM, 12/05/2008
Norma
Ahhh, Truth! You always give me a chuckle! LOL!!!! I don't think many of us take your anti-Utley rants very seriously anymore. Maybe you should start picking on someone else.
Posted 07:59 PM, 12/05/2008
MrPhillie
Trade Utley...Hmmm, let's think about that for as long as the question merits. Done. I'm curious why this person suggests trading Utley and not Jimmy Rollins. I believe as far as shortstops go, Rollins has an attractive contract that other teams would be happy to take on. That way, Jason Donald can play shortstop, which is is natural position. I'm not 100% serious here, but it at least merits the same if not more consideration than the Utley trade suggestion. But let's put the Utley scenario to bed...it doesn't make sense and it's not going to happen. If we're into trading major pieces of the Phillies puzzle, why not trade Howard and J.A. Happ to KC for Zack Greinke, Billy Butler, and David DeJesus. Makes some sense: Howard will be nearer to his hometown and thus would be a big draw for the Royals and Happ is a good-looking left-hander to replace Greinke; Butler is a young, right-handed hitter oozing with potential who could play 1B; DeJesus is a very nice looking outfielder who gives you avg, obp, defense, and a bit of power and run-producing ability; and Greinke is a young lefty who will win 15-18 games for the next 8-10 years. Plus, all three of these players could potentially be available. Even if the Phils have to throw in another player it might be a deal to consider. Just "thinking outside the box."
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Posted 06:09 PM, 12/05/2008
James TL
Truth: I know you mean well and our serious, but you really lost credibility with that suggestion. If you trade Utley before making sure Donald is the real deal and then he flops, you might as well trade Rollins, Howard and Hamels too. Utley is a main piece of this team. I know you won't agree but Utley is more valuable than anyplayer on this team including Howard.
Posted 05:53 PM, 12/05/2008
jmagee1202
The Phillies will sign pitcher Braden Looper. Why? His uncle Benny is an assistant GM to Ruben.
Posted 05:19 PM, 12/05/2008
EL Zorro
And Donald can be another Sandberg, but wouldn't be nice to have both on your club? Donald could be moved to third base like Jeff suggested a couple of weeks ago or the outfield in the future. There is no reason to rush the kid. Giving another year or half a season in AAA.
Posted 05:14 PM, 12/05/2008
EL Zorro
Truth, you got to be kidding. Utley, like Karen said, is one of the best players in baseball. If they throw all the players out there and start the league from scratch, I wouldn’t mind picking Utley as my fist pick. He put pretty good numbers with a bad hip last year and won the Silver slugger for best hitting second baseman in the process. If not for the injury, he was going to put monster numbers; better than his counterpart in the AL, Dustin Pedroia, who by the way won the MVP and the Silver Slugger also. Did I say that he is under contract and pretty cheap by the way?
Posted 05:01 PM, 12/05/2008
Kace
Just FYI, the DVD set is available for preorder on Amazon.com for $59.99, $20 cheaper than the link above. You can also preorder the 2008 dvd yearbook for $14.99 on there, as well as all the Phillies DVDs (the offical MLB DVD for $13.99, last years video yearbook, etc.) The Champions book is about $10 less, also. Fair warning though, I didn't get my WS DVD until a week after it came out--but then again it did ship over Thanksgiving. The rest shipped fairly quickly. Any order over $25 has free shipping (click on super saver shipping at check out). No, I don't work for amazon.com, I'm just trying to save you all some money :)
Posted 04:51 PM, 12/05/2008
Erich H
You know, it sucks living in LA for more reasons than I can possibly post here, but the worst thing is that by the time I read something that I would like to comment about, it's about 1-3 hours too late. TODD, is there any chance that the Q&A Forum can be resurrected? At least I would have the chance of reading your take on the various issues confronting the Phils this off season.
Posted 04:45 PM, 12/05/2008
mikemcs
Trade Chase Utley??? Hey, why not trade Rollins and Hamels too, and totally destroy the team??? sheesh.....
Posted 04:39 PM, 12/05/2008
ktdb05
Abreu is scared of walls this for some strange reason is true. However, he is not a bad guy.
Posted 04:05 PM, 12/05/2008
Truth
KarenA-No aversion at all. Just an honest question, I think it maybe a very viable option. Remember what Sandberg did for years in Chicago. I would hate to see Donald do the same thing. Utley could be on the downside of his career, he isn't getting any younger, his range was already "suspect" and his bat significantly faltered in the last 4 month's of last season. Dynastic teams make shrewd moves at the right times and i encourage Amaro to think about something like this....
Posted 04:02 PM, 12/05/2008
jimmymack
"Is it time to trae Chase Utley?" "I'm looking for feedback as far as Donald replacing Utley..."NO-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no-no.
Posted 03:54 PM, 12/05/2008
marty
KarenA, I don't believe the Phils would go that high. But that shouldn't be an issue; the word on the street is that Lowe won't command those numbers; both the per-year amount and the length are higher than he'll probably get bid for unless the Yankees decide to break the bank on him. Consensus is 3 (maybe 4) years at $16-17M per. I'd think the Phils would at least consider the low end of that, and may even penetrate a little further (either adding a 4th year or an extra megabuck per year, but probably not both). Just my gut feeling. And he might even end up taking less than the high bid. I think that, were I Lowe, the higher probability of wearing another ring (with him in the rotation the Phils would have to be an odds-on bet to repeat) would counterbalance a somewhat higher contract offer from, say, NY (either Yankees or Mets) who haven't won a WS in quite a while (last one was Y2K for the Yankees). How much higher? Only Lowe and Boras know the answer to that one.
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Posted 03:47 PM, 12/05/2008
KarenA
Truth you seem to have an aversion to Utley what gives? He's only one the best players in baseball.
Posted 03:41 PM, 12/05/2008
Gary Varsho
Truth - you're funny.
Posted 03:34 PM, 12/05/2008
Truth
With all the trade talk I must ask an honest question: Is it time to trae Chase Utley? Donald is ripping it up in fall ball. If he were able to replace a (currently injured) Utley and we could pick up a true #1 pitcher (Linecum or Cain) plus a young SF outfielder would that help us for years to come? Chase has a great contract from the team perspective so that may outweigh the pluses from my perspective but Donald would be locked in for 7yrs. Don't start with the trade Howard stuff and move Utley to first. I'm looking for feedback as far as Donald replacing Utley and what Utley could bring and could it help the team become a dynasty...
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Posted 03:04 PM, 12/05/2008
jcovello
Sign Moyer to 2 years, front load it the 1st year with smaller base and big incentives for the 2nd, mutual option year. While I'm all for signing Lowe, for my money (and yes it is OUR money since we: buy the tickets, concessions, licensed MLB products; pay the parking fees and listen/watch the games which generates the radio/TV payments), the Phils would be better off giving 4 years & $50 M to Ben Sheets whose 4 years younger than Penny. With Hamels/Sheets/Blanton/Moyers the Phils could then trade Brett Myers one year before FA to the Astros for Carlos Lee to play LF and hit 5th (or 4th to break up Howard & Utley). Lee,age 32, makes $18.5M per year over the next 4 years. That would give the Phils time to develop all the other potential young SP over the next 2 seasons (Happ, Carpenter,Carrasco, Savery, Drabek) to see which are real vs. pretenders. There could be plenty of #5 SP out there after next week's deadline for arbritation offers to non-FA eligibles so Kendricks or a new cheap signee can fill the #5, but imagine the Phils with a Hamels/Sheets top of rotation. There will also be enough middle innings RP to fill out the BP. All this is doable for spending maybe $10-15M beyond what they budgeted for even with Hamels and Howards arbritation based pay for 2009. With all the added revenue they will earn next year, they can spend a little more of our money to contend for back-to-back championships without trading away the farm. Philly is the 5/6th largest media market. Phillies need to act like the next tier team beneath the Yanks, BSox, Cubs, Angels, Dodgers, Mets when it comes to payroll options.
Posted 02:58 PM, 12/05/2008
KarenA
Norma: The bonus footage includes: *Locker Room Celebrations; World Series Trophy and MVP Presentation; Phillies WS Parade Footage; NL East Division and NLDS Clinching Highlights; Team Interviews; Brett Myers Goes 3-3 in NLCS Game 3; *2008 Highlights: Jayson Werth Inside-The-Park HR; Pat Burrell’s GW walk-off HR; Jayson Werth hits 3 HRs; 3 consecutive HRs (Utley, Howard, and Burrell); Ryan Howard’s 40th & 48th HRs; *Alternate Audio Track Featuring World Series Announcers: Harry Kalas, Larry Anderson, Scott Fianzke, and Chris Wheeler (Phillies Radio); Joe Buck and Tim McCarver (FOX); Angel Tores, Miguel Morales, and Cos Villa (Fox En Espanol); Dave Willis and Andy Freed (Rays Radio)
Posted 02:56 PM, 12/05/2008
KarenA
El Zorro: I agree. Forgot to add that the Yankees (believe it or not)don't think they'd go for it either especially if they get CC at $140/6 yrs their purse strings would be a bit tighter. I can't believe the Brewers have offered CC $100 mil/5 yrs?!
Posted 02:44 PM, 12/05/2008
EL Zorro
Karen, that's too much money and years for a Lowe. The Phillies don’t like to go more than 3 years with pitchers unless is a big name like Sabathia or our own Cole Hamels. I wouldn’t either.
Posted 02:31 PM, 12/05/2008
Norma
Even though they're a little pricey, I'm thinking about those DVDs, too, Ray. It's worth the $$$ just to be able to have the option of listening to the local broadcasters! What the Phils REALLY need to do, is put out a 90 minute DVD, with just the final three innings of game five. That's all that really counted, anyway. And the most exciting three innings EVER in WS history!!! Does anyone know what's on the bonus footage? I'm definitely going to buy the Phillies "Yearbook". The one they put out each year. It has parade and ceremony coverage, that other DVDs just minimally covered.
Posted 02:30 PM, 12/05/2008
EL Zorro
vinceabs, I was going to write something similar about Abreu. Some players are not leaders you can build around. He is one of those nice pieces to build a team, nevertheless. He was also a relatively young player who was learning the language and was asked to be a leader in a tough city. I won’t mind see him batting second after Jimmy and in front of Utley. I’ll sign him at the right price in a minute now that you are not losing picks. And he is one of those lefthanded hitters you can play everyday because he can hit lefties. He can also protect Howard at the 5 hole.
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Posted 01:41 PM, 12/05/2008
KarenA
I read on the NY Times website that Boras (Lowe's agent) is seeking 5 yrs/$90 million for Lowe's contract. Do you think the Phils would go for that? Also Yankees are talking to Texieria (along with the Angels and Red Sox) and CC (along with the Angels and Giants)Things might be finally getting interesting.
Posted 12:58 PM, 12/05/2008
vinceabs
I understand the hesitation regarding Abreu, however, times have changed. As a veteran and tenured player, Abreu was expected to be a leader, which clearly he was/is not. That expectation also blocked some of the younger players from taking on a leadership role. If we bring Abreu back, there are no more expectations. Remember, he is one of the best pure hitters in the game and an upgarde defensively from Burrel.
Posted 12:26 PM, 12/05/2008
Norma
The Phils need to look at BA's and RBI numbers. Not just potential HR numbers. It's not ALL about the long ball! As for Werth....When he batted 2nd, he didn't have huge opportunities to up his RBI's, cause it was usually only J.Roll on base. He would have a better chance in the 5 hole. With Chase being healthy, there's a better possibility of having a couple more guys on base. Assuming, of course, that the guys learn to play "small ball"!
Posted 11:30 AM, 12/05/2008
Gary Varsho
sully - "For who, for what?" is a great analogy for Abreu. There are other possibilites, such as Raul Ibanez if they are wiling to go with a lefty.
Posted 11:20 AM, 12/05/2008
Sully
Bobby Abreu: the "For who, for what?" of Phillies history. Trading him for a bag of peanuts was the greatest trade in the organization, ever. Ironically, he CAME IN as one of the greatest trades ever. Kevin Stocker, anyone? Anyway, his time is done. Let us never speak his name again.
Posted 11:10 AM, 12/05/2008
yahmpy
Bobby Abreu. Two words I don't ever want to hear affiliated with the Phillies ever again.
Posted 10:52 AM, 12/05/2008
EL Zorro
I would sign Lowe and pass on injury-prone Burnett. As for Moyer, as much as I appreciate what he did last year, I would not miss him that much. Face it, he is 46 years old and last year he was good but he feasted on young teams like the Florida Marlins and Washington Nationals. Both teams are going to be a year older and you can assume they will improve, especially Washington. Even if they don’t improve, Moyer might not pitch against them as much. Also, he needs a favorable strike zone to succeed. If he doesn’t get it he is in trouble, especially against a veteran team. Remember, he lost two of the three games the Phillies lost in the playoffs, even though he pitched well against the Rays (3 runs in 6.3 innings). Then again, Tampa Bay is a young team. He struggled a little bit against a more experienced Milwaukee team. (2 runs in 4 innings but was hit hard) and did not last two innings against the Dodgers (6 runs in 1.3 innings). As for Werth, I agree with Amaro, he could be the 5th hitter we're looking for.
Posted 10:50 AM, 12/05/2008
celtic_13
Vince, Abreu was a tremendously productive palyer in Philly, but he's a clubhouse cancer. The Phils identity changed for the better the second he was traded to NYY, and they put together a pretty impressive run that year that fell short, and two division titles after that. Once the leadership mantle was passed to Rollins and Utley, it became obvious that Abreu's presence was holding the team back.
Posted 10:48 AM, 12/05/2008
davemarsh
abreu has a fear of fences and plays like he has no heart.
Posted 10:44 AM, 12/05/2008
celtic_13
I think Werth is going to be in the 5 spot this year no matter who comes in to play the other corner outfield position. 24 homeruns and 67 RBI's is pretty good considering he was platooning for almost half the season and had two impossibly slow baserunners hitting before him. He's an awesome athlete who is only going to get better, though he must limit his strikeouts.
Posted 10:43 AM, 12/05/2008
vinceabs
Bobby Abreu is definitely available. He is a .300 BA .400 OBP and 30 HR potential at CBP and wouldn't be that much worse than Burrel in LF.
Posted 10:31 AM, 12/05/2008
Dull
I am with Ruben on the Moyer situation. Remember that Moyer was 0-2 with an 8.49 ERA in three post season starts. He was only effective when the ump gave him a couple of inches on the outside corner of the strike zone like Culbreth was giving him in Game 3 of the Series. Against better hitting teams and umps Moyer pitched like the 46 year old he is.
Posted 10:09 AM, 12/05/2008
Jeffrey
Jayson Werth is great and all but he's not a proven 30 HR, 100 RBI type of player. On the other hand, he's a lot better in the field and a great baserunner. Now, about that chin beard...
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