Manuel Seeking Extension
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Manuel Seeking Extension
Todd Zolecki
Charlie Manuel: One of only two managers in Phillies history to win a World Series. (YONG KIM / Staff Photographer)
Charlie Manuel wants to retire a Phillie.
He hopes to make that a likelihood this week in Las Vegas, where his agent is looking to negotiate a contract extension for him. Manuel is signed through 2009 with a club option for 2010. Manuel's agent, Pat Rooney, is hoping to extend the contract through 2011. Rooney said Manuel, who turns 65 next month, would like to manage another three to five years.
Jim Salisbury wrote that Manuel will make $1.5 million next season. His option for 2010 is worth $1.7 million. It is believed Manuel is seeking a salary approaching $3 million for 2011. That would put him just below Chicago Cubs manager Lou Piniella and Cincinnati Reds manager Dusty Baker, whose contracts average more than $3 million per season. Los Angeles Dodgers manager Joe Torre and St. Louis Cardinals manager Tony La Russa average more than $4 million per season.
Framework for an extension is in place, but Manuel's side sees no reason this shouldn't be finalized this week in Vegas.
"We had hoped to have had this done before now," Rooney said. "We hope to get it done this week."
Comments (43)
am I beginning to see a trend here? Resigning Moyers should be a sure thing, yet negotiations are going, "slow". Chollie wants an entension, not unreasonable. The Phillies seem to agree, yet negotiations are going, "slow". Rube, don't waste valuable time on simple, no brain signings. If it costs you a few extra bucks, or you don't get all the provisions you wanted, no bigie, your time is more valuable. You have to make time for the hard stuff (LF, RP, etc)— jeff gross- Rube: Sign Chollie's extension & re-sign Moyer, two no-brainers that you can cross off your 2 do list. Then move on to the "more complicated" issues of RP & LF.— KarenA
- Plus who doesn't want to see Chollie & Moyer retire as a Phillie?!— KarenA
- Anybody think Manuel looks like the Wizard of Oz? Give him the extension. He obviously knows how to handle the players' different personalities and although I don't always agree on his on field decisions (like batting Utley and Howard 3-4 in the lineup) he did win a WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP! Sign Moyer unless you can get Lowe.— James TL
- I'd like to see how the Phils deal with success before they extend his contract. He's not going anywhere anyway.— doorspj24
- Give Charlie what he wants. He's earned it.— NJLouis66
- The Phillies are blowing the good will that winning a championship brings. At a time when they have a solid core of players, a winning atitude, good reputation and a "players mgr" they are ruining their image; by playing hardball with a mgr that has been underpaid for four seasons and a 46 yr old that is not going to break the bank here or anywhere else. Manuel is not asking that his contract be torn up(he is not being unfair) he is simply asking that the option yr be guaranteed and that they they give him a "golden parachute" of a mere 3 million in the year that he ends his championship career. I know that I have been a little blustery on this blog about the Phils so I'm not going to extend this into a diatribe I'll just let the Manuel action speak for itself....ITS WRONG and its CHEAP, PERIOD...— Truth
- Did any of you stop to think that maybe negotiations are slow because this can be done at any time in the next 4 months? Like in mid-February? The winter meetings are going on. The last thing Ruben needs to do right now is extend Cholly for 2011. It will get done eventually.— Grizzle
- Truth - you are assuming that they are playing hard ball. I have not read anywhere that the Phillies don't want to extend him or are trying to nickel and dime him.— Gary Varsho
- Just sign him, for pete's sake! The guy brought us a WS championship trophy! Give him his just rewards. SAme with Moyer. I hate these games we seem to play. Sounds like the old days. Ruben, act like the GM of championship team!— deb2
- To all of you who are saying "just sign him give him his rewards" I truly hope you don't run bisinesses. This mentality is what causes the best companies to go broke. There is a difference between throwing away money (spending more then you have to) and not making the time to have serrious conversations towards resolving an issue. From what everyone is saying, the issue seems to be one of time, and not terms. (they can't find time to discuss terms— jeff gross
- To all of you who are saying "just sign him give him his rewards" I truly hope you don't run bisinesses. This mentality is what causes the best companies to go broke. There is a difference between throwing away money (spending more then you have to) and not making the time to have serrious conversations towards resolving an issue. From what everyone is saying, the issue seems to be one of time, and not terms. (they can't find time to discuss terms— jeff gross
- sorry for the double post— jeff gross
- The Phillies have only so much money they will pay for salaries (players and coaching staff). Winning the World Series generates some marginal revenue, but not more then $10-20 Million. The team's payroll will increase by that amount this year, if only because of increases to arbitration-eligible players. None of us know what Moyer wants,so to blindly say about Moyer (or Manuel) "give him his just rewards" is simplistic.They need to put the best team on the field for $120 MM, and if they overpay Moyer, it will trigger a weakness somewhere else. World Series win, or not, the BallPark only holds 45,000, they can only sell so many tickets, and there NOT going to throw money around, have a $130 MM payroll, and lose money for the owners this year.— willl
- Moyer is asking for 20 million over two season, and is frustrated with how the negotiations with the Phils are going. I do like the idea of going after Delmon Young from the Twins to play left, if they don't resign Burrell.— JASON RINGLER
- Will-If you think a payroll of 130 million is going to turn this team into a loser you are mentally ill. They will make more money outside of the stadium this yr through merchandising sales than they ever have by 250%...I'd rather sell-out a 45k seat stadium than sell 45k tickets in a 60k seat stadium. Its much more cost effective. As far as those saying that Rube doesn't have the time "get truthful".. Cholly's agaent has said waht he wants which is basically nothing, stop disrespecting the man. It never ceases to amaze just how brainwashed the fans are around here when it comes to the organizations money-----— Truth
- Truth, no one is saying he doesn't have the time, but rather that he isn't making the time. Bad management skills. I agree that he needs to make the time to get this done. If Moyer is really asking for $20 million over two years, I wish him well with his new team. He's worth perhaps $6 million a year.— jeff gross
- I'm with Grizzle & Jeff, there are more important things than Charlie's extension to work on right now. And while WE all want Jamie back, this is his last contract he is going to hold out to get the maximum money, which makes sense for him. Amaro will wait to see what Moyer's market demand is before committing and I think that is the right course. All this emotion on the Charlie, Jamie and Pat issues cannot affect how you run a business. There isn't a player on this team that wouldn't bolt for more money if they had a chance. Loyalty is a fan's domain, not a players. It's too soon to call the team cheap or a player greedy. All this stuff will work itself out.— jimmymack
- Jeff - I would give Moyer 10 million for one season, its the second year that is a problem. He won 16 games this past year, which is easily worth 10 million.— Gary Varsho
- Gary: Think about that. For $10 million who can you sign today? That's what Howard made last year. It;s more then Myers made. More then Cole will make this year. Is Moyer relly worth that much? Are we expecting the same year he had last year again? Those extra $4 milllion are what you need to pay Voctorino and/or Werth. It is what we could offer madson. Lots of better uses for $4 million— jeff gross
- Jeff once again we're in agreement (scary thought-lol) Moyer is not worth 10 million. Thats more than Rollins and Utley too I believe. His last season can be replicated by a farmhand, when teams started complaining about his strike zone and the umps changed course his season went downhill. Thats not to say that for 6 million I wouldn't bite but not 10 million...Now jimmymack are you serious when you say Manuel shold not be given the respect that he is due? Were not talking about alot of money....— Truth
- Truth, why are you so obsessed with labeling the Phillies as cheap? If Manuel walks after his contract is up, then I think there's something to your argument, but it's not a priority right now. As for Jamie Moyer, if that man wants $20 mill for 2 yrs (as someone posted earlier) than I'd shake his hand and wish him luck. Truth, you talk about being "cost effective" in your post, how "cost effective" would it be to give a man in his late 40's $20 million dollars? ...oh, and as for the goodwill (it's one word buddy) that you think the Phillies are losing, I don't think that's going to be a problem for a very long time. Nobody here is "brainwashed" ...they're all fans of a team that won a World Series less than two months ago. How can anyone possible complain already?!?!?— Billy The Kid
- You're not paying for last year guys, you're paying for what your gonna get next year....and there's no way Moyer is gonna get us $10 mil worth, certainly not each year for 2 years! It's a tax on the BP every time he pitches as we have to use up 3-5 guys to finish the game, very taxing and mentally draining to watch and for the team to function over the course of a year.....Cholly, after 2 Division crowns and one WS title is worth every penny just like Dusty Baker and should be paid accordingly, 3 mil a year is not out of the question and he's only asking for his last year or two in his career like that....so pay the man Rube.— Mark1npt
- Truth, do you read? Nobody is saying Charlie shouldn't get be "givin the respect he's due". All anybody is saying is that there are more pressing issues right now. They have plenty of time to deal with Manuel. Why do you come one here and act like an idiot? Do you get pleasure out of being negative? There are barely any fingerprints on the World Series trophy and you're on here complaining already.— Billy The Kid
- If Truth didn't complain this place would be pretty boring sometimes. I think everyone is in agreement that A) Moyer isn't worth $10 million B) Chollie should be given his extension C) These need to get done but while Moyer may be urgent, Chollie can be told it will happen, but it isn't urget and D) we need a Left fielder asap. everything else is just how we express these ideas. (or don't express them) relax, it's almost spring training— jeff gross
- A 16 game winner is worth 10 million. You can't compare that to Rollins and anyone currently under a long term deal - because they aren't free agents. Was Adam Eaton worth almost 8 mil per year? Moyer is a proven pitcher, who will go out there every 5th day - which he has done for 2 years in a row. Moyer made 6 mil last year, so he's probably not in the 10 million range anyway - but if it was 1 year, I would do it. 2 years, I would not. 16 W's, 3.71 ERA - you don't replace that for under 10 if you try and find a free agent.— Gary Varsho
- First of all you don't pay FAs based on last year, but on the coming years expectations. I don't expect Moyer to win 16 again this year, though I love him and would hire him as pitching coach in a sec. Second, did anyone notice that there is a rumour (see the other guy's blog) about D. Young coming here. Thoughts??— jeff gross
- Jeff G-Saw that posted on "High Cheese" I think there might be better choices out there. Granted he's very young, but his power numbers aren't anywhere near Burrell's and also his temperment sounds like a headache.— KarenA
- Billy The Kidder- You ask do I read and then state Moyer is not worth 10 million as I strenuously argued in my post agreeing with Jeff Gross' sumation. Get a grip. How is it a complaint when one states that Cholly should get "his due"? It reads to me that your day isn't going well. We'll I'd sympathize but why bother. As far "good will" it has to do with PLAYERS wanting to play here not the brain washed masses of which you are a part....— Truth
- Expectations for a free agent are based on previous years, and why wouldn't you expect Moyer to give you a similar year next year? What would lead you to believe he would have a big drop off from this year? As I've said multiple times, its not the dollars, its the amount of years. He wants more than 1, the Phils want to do 1. If you think he is going to have a big drop off, why did you say in the first post that "resigning Moyer should be a sure thing"?— Gary Varsho
- As someone said in Daves blog, I'd like to see Young and Chollie square off with tempers flairing. If you thought Myers and Chollie had it out last year, just wait. Personally, I don't see him filling our needs. he has no power and doesn't hit for a high enough average or OBP to protect Howard or bat leadoff. My vote: Pass— jeff gross
- I'd give Moyer $10M for one year, no doubt about it. The only way I guarantee two years at that price is if the remaining $8.5M owed to Adama Eaton is not paid to Adam Eaton, but is put toward Moyer's 2010 salary instead. Hard to guarantee $10M for this year, and again for next year, for a 46 year old who's career could conceivably come to a screeching, ugly halt at any time. At some point Moyer is going to have to admit that prudence demands he work on a series of one year contracts the rest of his career. There is simply no frame of reference for how to compensate this guy.— RollinsWasRight
- Thank you RWR - its nice to see a voice of reason. I believe I read earlier that the ideal situation for the Phillies and Moyer would probably be to do a 1 year deal, with an option for a second year that automatically becomes vested if Moyer hits certain milestones this year.— Gary Varsho
- As far as Charlie's contract, while I am all for giving the guy his just rewards, getting him his extension at the numbers Zo threw out there, I also understand that now is not the time to be dealing with a contract extension for a manager. Now is the time to be focused on the roster. Ruben has a lot of work left to do this off-season, and whether you consider it disrespectful or not, Charlie's contract can wait until Spring Training. Finalize the 25-man and 40-man rosters first.— RollinsWasRight
- Varsho - I think that is ideal. Especially is the option vests bases on innings pitched. If he gets hurt, which would be a bad sign at his age, he unlikely to pitch, say, 165 innings. If he pitches poorly, and is often removed early, and occassionally skipped, he is also unlikely to hit such a milestone. However, if he continues to defy the odds, and pitches 165, 175 or more innings, then he likely still pitched reasonably well, and is worth another one-year shot.— RollinsWasRight
- I agree on a contract to Moyer based on performance and hitting certain numbers. He should be given a base of up to $4 million and then incentives to bring him up to as much as 8 million (if he wins 20 and pitches 200+ innings he'll be worht $8 million. Again the imortant thing is for the numbers to be based on current performance and not last years season. Personally I'd go this way on all my contracts. Small guarentees and large incentive bonuses— jeff gross
- Jeff - what players do you think will sign a contract in which 50% is incentive based? And, do you really think MLBPA would allow that to happen? His incentives are for a 2nd year, whatever he signs for this year would have to be guaranteed.— Gary Varsho
- And Jeff - 20 wins and 200+ innings is worth a lot more than $8 million. That's cy young quality.— Gary Varsho
- jeff - I get where you are coming from. It makes more sense your way. But there are a few problems, not the least of which is this is the way baseball's financial structure is built. Players are paid based on past performance, and their contracts are guaranteed. It is risky, and oftentimes foolhardy, but that's the price you pay for getting the best young talent in the game to play for peanuts (comparatively) for the first six or seven years of their careers. And to be honest, if you want pay Moyer $4M next year, and say that you are basing it on next year's performance, that, to me, is disrespectful. You would be telling the guy that you expect him to be poor next year. If so, why re-sign him? I know it makes no sense to pay a 46-yr old pitcher like a 16-game winner, because 46-yr old pitchers aren't supposed to win 16 games... but then again, neither are 45-yr old pitchers. At some point the Phillies have to assume some financial risk in bringing Moyer back... it would just be very foolish to assume that risk for more than 1 guaranteed year.— RollinsWasRight
- Honestly Truth, you are a 100% joke...but at least some people here find your ridiculousness so entertaining. I don't. From your posts, I can tell you know nothing about the game (see post from you about teams complaining about Moyer's strike zone - you think umpires listen to other team's complaints?). Your "brainwashed" thing is played out. Your petty complaints about the Phillies and their management is played out. This is a team that hasn't played a game since clinching a World Championship about 6 weeks ago and you're already spewing negativity. Not to mention this team was put together by a guy, Pat Gillick, that you criticized all summer long. I may be brainwashed, but when it comes to baseball, you seem to be brain dead. Truth, you are a FRAUD.— Billy The Kid
- z— James TL
- Heard on the 6:00 news, that Jamie and the Phils are at a little stalemate. Jamie and/or his agent, wants a two year contract, and the Phils are only offering one year. Sign him with an option for a 2nd year, depending on productivity numbers, and I bet there's no problem!— Norma
- The Phillies need to get this deal done for Charlie Manuel. He obviously desreves to be paid what top managers are getting elsewhere. $3M/year is really not to much to ask.— GHOSTPHAYCE
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