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Sunday, July 12, 2009

In the airport bound for St. Louis, and wanted to give you a few things to chew on for your Sunday night/Monday morning slacking pleasure.  A new poll says that 56 percent of fans don’t like Bud’s home-field advantage idea.  This concept is extremely unpopular among players and managers; they don’t like that an exhibition game determines something more important.  I’d bet that an anonymous survey of clubhouses would yield something like a 99.9 percent disapproval rating. What do you think?

 

Also, there was an interesting piece in the New York Times comparing umpires to judges, on the eve of the Sotomayor hearings.  I don’t agree with all points, but the author gives you something to think about.

 

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Keep checking in, I’ll do my best to update you as news happens over the next few days.  I’m always forgetting to advertise my Twitter account, maybe because, despite my 12-year-old looks, I’m not a big fan of anything that feeds our national CrackBerry addiction.  Call me old school, but I don’t care what you had for breakfast. But I admit that the technology will actually come in handy this week, because news will probably come up when I’m away from my computer.

 

Speaking of news, I wouldn’t be shocked if the Phils announced a Pedro signing this week.  That is no more than an educated guess, because the front office won’t say anything about this.  But Charlie let it slip yesterday that the organization came out of Friday’s simulated game thinking that Martinez looked better than last season.  They’ve seen him twice now, so that part is done with. This whole thing could still fizzle, but my money’s on a sold-out Pedro start in Reading or Allentown within two weeks.

 

And you know what? Why not.  Signing Pedro would not preclude the team from reeling in a bigger fish later, and it would give them insurance if someone like Moyer regresses, or if Rodrigo Lopez’s shoulder is worse than he admits. This isn’t Pedro versus Halladay; it’s Pedro versus Rodrigo. I’d say a 2009 Martinez, with his intelligence and vast repertoire, has more upside than a 2009 Lopez.

 

Now, you could legitimately ask, what about Andrew Carpenter or Carlos Carrasco? All I can say is, for whatever reason, the team seems to have decided internally that those guys aren’t the ideal choices right now.  Keep in mind that the front office knows its players more intimately than we do, and they must have reservations about stuff, readiness, makeup etc.  I can tell you that high-ranking people were very strongly considering giving that first Rodrigo start to Carrasco.  So if Pedro doesn’t work out, and Lopez’s shoulder doesn’t heal, we could still see a young guy soon.

 

Okay. Off to a stadium named after a beer company, to watch a three-hour ad for an insurance firm that includes a home run contest. Also, I will interview athletes plugging various products, some of whom will play an inning or two in a game that everyone seems to agree should be meaningless.  Don't get me wrong, I love baseball and am lucky to have a job covering it.  But you wouldn't believe how many emails I've received this week begging me to cover this or that PR event.  It makes you wonder what this thing is really about, and it kind of makes you want to go out in the yard and have a catch with a loved one instead...

Posted by Andy Martino @ 6:15 PM  Permalink | 34 comments
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Posted 06:40 PM, 07/12/2009
tjc
Good stuff, Andy. Agree with you on Pedro.
Posted 06:53 PM, 07/12/2009
VermontPhilsFan
We already have Pedro (Feliz). We don't need the other Pedro who will give you no more and probably less than someone from the farm (although he could be more valuable than Jamie Moyer, but that's another story). As to Drew Carpenter, I look at him potentially, likely, as a right-handed J.A. Happ. Like Happ in 2007 against the Mets, he had a shaky starting debut against the Nats. He's been steady at LV since and is 8-2, 2.85, and although not a power pitcher, has 76 Ks in 101 innings. If, when they need a 5th starter again around the 20th and Lopez is not 100%, give it to the Hammerman!
Posted 07:45 PM, 07/12/2009
CaptainCrunch
I am not against signing Pedro. I think he could be a great pitcher for us. But the spot he would take in the rotation is aleady taken by Rodrigo (Louie) Lopez, who is 6 years younger. Pedro can't replace happ, blanton, hamels or moyer. Unless we trade include happ for halladay. Would you rather have happ & lopez or Pedro and halladay? Also assume drabek is gone too. And halladay probably makes 10 mil more than happ. Unless you can do the halladay deal and keep happ it doesn't makes sense. And signing Pedro doesn't make too much sense either
Posted 08:29 PM, 07/12/2009
IssueMovement
Yeah I don't see Pedro as much more than a one year patch for the rotation. IF they really, really think he can get us a couple wins in the postseason thanks to his experience and guile, go for it. If he's gonna be a 6 inning and done guy, no thanks. The nice thing is we don't need to give up anything to get him (it ain't my money) and I'd trust him more than Lopez or Carpenter/Carrasco in the playoffs. He's probably a good club house guy. And who knows, maybe we could include him to get Halladay. Heh. Nice article Andy.
Posted 08:44 PM, 07/12/2009
PhillyTheKid
While I'm sure you have more inside info. than I do, Andy (maybe not though), I hope - with every single fiber of my being - that we do NOT sign Pete Martinez. His face, alone, ruins the chemistry on this already very strong team. I hope Ruben, Jr. thinks the way I've always thought he does. There is just no reason to even consider this move - he's finished, period. PK
Posted 09:05 PM, 07/12/2009
PhightinPhil
For every Phillies fan that snarls at the idea of Pedro coming here, how many of you have moaned and groaned at one of Jamie Moyer's less-than-stellar outings this season? But it's Okay to send him out every fifth day? I mean, it's not like we're sending J.A. Happ to the minors to make room for him. In all likelihood he would be taking the place of Rodrigo Lopez. So, please, tell me, what is the risk? You mean the idea of a future Hall of Famer with everything to prove, pitching for a title contender in the same division as the team that basically told him he's finished is not worth a gamble? Come on. But at the same time, the majority of fans clamor for Roy Halladay but not at the expense of any of the organizations prized prospects. I would rather see what Pedro has first. It would be like the Phillies are making a trade before the trade deadline without giving away anyone to get him.
Posted 09:18 PM, 07/12/2009
PhightinPhil
And since when are we worried about Pedro being just a six-inning pitcher, anyway? Guess what, that's what baseball is nowadays. It is pitch counts that everyone worries about. That, and how deep the bullpen is. No one, aside from Halladay, pitches complete games anymore. Few go seven innings and even fewer pitch eight. I mean, the post-season run last year was essentially Hamels and the bullpen. Madson pitched the eighth and Lidge the ninth whenever they had a lead. On most occasions, they went to pen in the seventh and only once did a pitcher last until the eighth (Hamels in the opener vs. Milwaukee).
Posted 09:26 PM, 07/12/2009
lseltzer
I don't see the downside in signing Pedro. How much can he cost? The risk is not much greater than some of these other unknowns and we know that he is capable of great pitching in pressure sitations. I'd like to take issue with dismissing the all-star game. I'm old enough (48) to remember a time when the players cared about winning the all-star game and remember that time fondly. If it's not going to matter then we shouldn't bother with it at all, but I'd much rather have it matter.
Posted 09:30 PM, 07/12/2009
jay johnstone
Have a catch with David Murphy, he's one of your loved ones, isn't he?
Posted 09:30 PM, 07/12/2009
jay johnstone
Have a catch with David Murphy, he's one of your loved ones, isn't he?
Posted 09:52 PM, 07/12/2009
randy_w
Hey PhightinPhil -- "I mean, it's not like we're sending J.A. Happ to the minors to make room for him" -- we're not sending Happ to Lehigh Valley... we'll be sending him to Toronto! Signing Pedro seems to fill the void left by giving up Happ to get Halladay. And Happ's performance of late looks like it might just be the convincing needed for Toronto.
Posted 10:06 PM, 07/12/2009
mick314
Carrasco cant find the plate, so forget about him. Lopez is a mature guy, with 65+ big league wins and a tired shoulder which could benefit from the week + of the rest he will get until next start. Pedro is a HUGE gamble and we should pass on him. Carpenter has solid AAA stats and is worth a look. Happ is the real deal and a key to the post season. Stay the course, forget the Halladay and Pedro options, Any questions ?
Posted 10:43 PM, 07/12/2009
PhightinPhil
Randy, I don't know about you but if everything I hear is true, I would sooner trade Happ in a deal for Halladay than Drabek. I realize I know very little about Drabek other than that what I've read and heard, but I don't foresee Happ getting any better than he is right. Don't get me wrong, I was one of Happ's strongest supporters to be in the starting rotation coming out of spring training. But if Drabek does indeed throw in the high 90's and is just 21 while Happ will be 27 in three months, I would sooner part with the left-hander. Heck, the organization thought so much of Happ that they put him in the bullpen to start the season instead of Chan Ho.
Posted 10:51 PM, 07/12/2009
PhightinPhil
mick, how is Pedro a HUGH gamble? All he costs is money, nothing more. It is not like the Phillies are going to sign him to a three-year guaranteed contract. It's a 2 1/2 month rental. And Andrew Carpenter? That is not a huge gamble? The only start he made this season he gave up eight hits in only 4.1 innings to the Yankees? No, it was the Nationals.
Posted 11:14 PM, 07/12/2009
PhilliesPhan53
Everybody likes to knock Rodrigo, but it looked like he pitched pretty well in his first two outings. He had good control to both sides of the plate and a very nice tailing fastball. My only concern is about his shoulder tightness, but I think he deserves another start.
Posted 11:31 PM, 07/12/2009
SteveS11
Why is everyone so willing to trade Happ? He's our best starting pitcher right now. Even if you get Halladay for him (and others), you still would have a hole in the rotation. Please don't tell me that Pedro is the answer to that. He's finished, done, washed up.
Posted 12:43 AM, 07/13/2009
theanswer80
yeah rodrigo lopez is great right? come on. pedro would be the 4th best pitcher on this staff. moyer despite his 8 wins is throwing home run derby every game.
Posted 05:51 AM, 07/13/2009
rockinrob
If Lopez at 22 is healthy then I would rather see him pitch than a washed up Pedro. This kid Lopez could be this years Joe Blanton pick up. If he can fill that role then Blanton seems ready to step into Myers role of last year. Before you argue look at the games. He has been key since a slow start.
Posted 07:03 AM, 07/13/2009
JayW
Rodrigo (if he is healthy) is better than the current version of Pedro.
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Posted 07:44 AM, 07/13/2009
Joe in Haddonfield
If MLB isn't going to use the teams' regular season records for home field in the WS, they should use the head-to-head record of inter league play. That would does two things: determine home field by something other than the All Star Game or a simple every-other-year format, and it gives inter league play a reason for existing. The All Star Game should be a pure exhibition with no weight on the outcome. The rosters are too big, the "demands" of MLB/fans/teams too great, and the break itself too short for recovery, to manage the game as if it counts for something.
Posted 09:36 AM, 07/13/2009
albanykey
Moyer needs to retire. I would rather give up Happ than Drabek. Signing Pedro presents no risk at all and he is motivated becaue if he pitches well in August/September then he sets himself up for a contract next year from someone else. Why would anyone forget Halladay? He is the big fish in the pond and will put us over the top fro 2009/2010.
Posted 10:00 AM, 07/13/2009
EXIT9RALF
keep the young guys and sign Pedro.
Posted 10:09 AM, 07/13/2009
mick314
PP, Pedro IS a huge gamble. All he costs is LOSSES !. I thought you would get that. Carpenter has excellent AAA stats and would go deep into games. Pete from the DR has not had good stuff in a couple of years, has a huge ego,, and minimal endurance. Lets stick with what brung us to this dance.
Posted 10:24 AM, 07/13/2009
Gary Varsho
How does anyone know what Pedro will give you this year? How can you say this guy or that guy is better than Pedro now, when we don't really know what the Pedro of today is? If he is bringing it in the low 90's, with his offspeed stuff and knowledge of the game, he could very well be a very solid pitcher. Mick, I usually agree with you, but continuing to trot our minor leaguer after minor leaguer is no way to fix a pitching hole. Pedro is likely to be more consistent than call ups. I'm not a Pedro fan, I think primarily because I think of him as a Met, but if he can pitch, I'll take him.
Posted 10:31 AM, 07/13/2009
ChrisInVT
Lopez is not 22, he's 32...He's no kid, and has been out of the majors the last couple years with shoulder/elbow problems. You can't rely on him for more than a spot-start or two. Pedro's worth a shot, if it doesn't work out you dump him or put him in the pen. If it does then maybe they've found themselves a solid back-end of the rotation guy. It's not like he can be any worse than Moyer...I don't know why fans get so upset about how much money this player or that player is going to cost them team. Just be happy they're willing to spend to win (and how long has it been since we could say that about the Phils?) And Carpenter will pitch late into games? You're kidding, right? What makes you think a rookie with zero success at the big-league level (and his only start, against the worst team in baseball, he got killed) will pitch you deep into games? That's a lot more risky than taking a shot with a future HOFer who might actually be healthy and hungry for the first time in a couple years.
Posted 11:11 AM, 07/13/2009
GoPhilsGo
Mick314 ... Happ has shown real promise this year, but it's too early to say if he's the "real deal" or the next Marty Bystrom or Pat Combs. Those guys were actually better at the start of their big league careers than Happ has been. Bystrom was 5-0 with a 1.50 ERA in his first year. Combs was 4-0 with a 2.07. Can you tell us how a highly trained and saavy baseball observer such as yourself can be certain that Happ will be a future star based on his first 10 starts? (And while you're at it, tell us how you can know more about Pedro from the comfort of your mother's basement in Fishtown than the actual professional baseball people who went to the Dominican Republic to watch him throw?)
Posted 11:14 AM, 07/13/2009
GoPhilsGo
JayW wrote, "Rodrigo (if he is healthy) is better than the current version of Pedro." How could you possibly know that?
Posted 11:21 AM, 07/13/2009
GoPhilsGo
Mick314 wrote, "Carpenter has excellent AAA stats and would go deep into games." That's almost too dumb to comprehend. Carpenter had one start this year. It was against the worst team in major league baseball. He lasted four-and-a-third innings and gave up five earned runs. Why would you assume he'll be able to pitch deep into games?
Posted 12:00 PM, 07/13/2009
randy_w
SteveS11 -- why give up Happ? Going into a seven game series would you rather have: Hamels, Halladay, Blanton, Moyer/Pedro/Other? or Hamels, Happ, Blanton, Moyer/Pedro/Other?
Posted 12:32 PM, 07/13/2009
DR Heller
Mick,any questions??? Pedro will be in town today. Starting in Lehigh this weekend??Capenter should also be brought up,he deserves it.
Posted 12:47 PM, 07/13/2009
fan_in_jerusalem
Charlie is on recrod as saying he doesn't need/want another guy who pitches 5-6 innings. He wants a horse. He further said that he has guys who pitch 5-6 innings already (implying, I assume the kids/Lopez in Aa and AAA) so why not forget about fat ugly pedro and let the kids show what they got. Who's got more incentive a over the hill HoFer to be or a kid trying to break in to the Majors? Next year's rotation is either (depending on whether we get halladay) Hamels, Happ, Drybek, Myers (1 year arbi contract), Blanton or Hamels, Halladay, Happ/Drybek (the one who's not traded)Blanton and Moyer. No way they go with 2 rookies in rotation to begin season. Personally, I can't decide which rotation is best
Posted 12:55 PM, 07/13/2009
mick314
I find myself knee deep in critics today. Carpenter, in my opinion, though he had ONE medicofre start early in year, is a guy who has history of going deep in games. He had better stats in AAA than Lopez, and has put together great numbers in 3 of most recent 4 outings. He deserves a shot. DR, we have an honest disagreement about Pedro. I think he is a washed up primadonna. May be wrong, but I doubt if he will see many 6th innings for balance of '009. Thus our overused pen will be further depleted. GaryV, hope you got to visit your namesake over weekend. I always liked the guy. And, Happ is no Marty whatshisface. He is a steady guy who pitched OK in '08 and very well this season. In any event, lets unite that Cholly's troops will prevail and that Wheels will go on DL with sore throat soon. As we say around the kitchen, dont let your meatloaf.
Posted 04:27 PM, 07/13/2009
PhightinPhil
In a perfect world I would LOVE for the Phillies to bring up Carpenter and have him be the final piece to the puzzle. But to suggest that he WILL go deep into games because he has excellent Triple A stats is a tad naive, don't you think? And the logic of, 'Let's stick with what brung (huh?) us to this dance' suggests a trade involving Roy Halladay is out of the question, too. And from what I'm reading, Pedro is not going to cost the team as much money as has been reported. According to FOXSports.com's Ken Rosenthal, "Pedro Martinez will take his physical with the Phillies on Tuesday and could sign with the team as soon as Wednesday." Contrary to previous reports that the right-hander was seeking a pro-rated $5 million salary, Rosenthal's sources believe he's likely to sign a minor league deal. "When people find out what the money is, they're going to be surprised," said one source with knowledge of the discussions. "It's not about the money." If it's not about the money, you all know as well as I what it's about. Proving the Mets were wrong not to sign him.
About Andy Martino
Andy Martino is in his first season on the Phillies beat. A former New York City public school teacher and graduate of the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism, he previously wrote for the New York Daily News, where he covered baseball and worked with the award-winning investigative sports "I-team."
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