Posted: Thursday, August 6, 2009, 3:14 PM | 18 comments |
 
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From Ray Parrillo, live at the ballpark Thursday:

In the debate over whether or not J.A. Happ should remain in the Phillies rotation when Pedro Martinez is deemed ready, the rookie lefthander couldn’t have stated his case more strongly with his complete-game, four-hit shutout of the heavy-hitting Rockies Wednesday night.

The debate is settled.

Happ’s performance, as well as several that led up to it, has convinced the club’s brass to keep him in the rotation the remainder of the season.

“I think his whole progression has convinced everybody he should stay in the rotation,” Phillies general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. said before today’s last of a three-game series against Colorado at Citizens Bank Park. “Happ deserves to stay in the rotation.”

With Happ’s role settled, the club still faces a difficult decision on the fifth starter. Will it be Martinez or Jamie Moyer?

Amaro said that decision has yet to be made, adding the possibility remains the team would go with a six-man rotation.

But with three scheduled days off this month, a six-man rotation doesn’t seem practical until September, when there is only one off-day scheduled.

For the most part, starters are geared to pitch every five days and too much time off between starts could negatively impact their performance.

“Going with a six-man rotation is not out of the realm of possibility,” Amaro said. “There are a lot of permutations. We haven’t discussed it yet. You never know what’s going to happen in the next week to 10 days. A guy can go down [get injure].”

The Phillies will have six starting pitchers when Martinez is activated, which will be any day. Even though Happ is 8-2 with a 2.74 earned run average, which ranks sixth in the National League, his success out of the bullpen earlier in the season, along with a rash of injuries to the relief corps, made him a more likely candidate than Martinez or Jamie Moyer to be a reliever.

With Happ remaining in the rotation, along with Cole Hamels, Cliff Lee and Joe Blanton, the Phillies must decide what to do with Martinez and Moyer. Amaro said no decision has been made, but the club appears committed to employing Martinez as a starter, and the 37-year-old righthander has expressed his desire to start. If so, that would leave the 46-year-old Moyer as the odd man out, and Moyer’s stuff is not considered effective in a relief role.

Either way, it’s a tough call. Martinez is a likely future Hall of Famer and Moyer, who has been inconsistent most of the season, is among the most respected players on the team.

“They will get our respect,” Amaro said. “At the same time, we’re in the business of winning and it’s really about making the right decision for the club and not a matter of hurting some feelings.”

Amaro was in Reading Wednesday night to watch Martinez in his third minor-league rehab assignment. Martinez struck out 11 and had no walks while allowing five hits and three earned runs in six innings. He threw 82 pitches, and Amaro said he believes he could have thrown more.

Amaro said he was impressed and indicated Martinez was ready to be activated.

“I think he can get major league hitters out with his stuff,” Amaro said, adding it was yet to be determined when Martinez would be activated. “I know it was a minor-league club, but when you have 11 strikeouts and no walks, that’s good in Little League.”

Amaro had high praise for Happ for overcoming speculation he’d be in a trade package for Toronto’s Roy Halladay and the potential distraction he’d return to the bullpen after becoming arguably the team’s most consistent starter.
Moyer will make his next start Sunday against Florida. Happ’s next turn is Tuesday.

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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:07 PM, 08/06/2009
    That is good news, Happ deserves to stay in the rotation. I think Pedro should get a shot at the 5th spot. Moyer is not reliable.
    GHOSTPHAYCE
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:11 PM, 08/06/2009
    get moyer out of the rotation. its been a long time coming. i wanted him out after his horrible playoff outings last year.
    kenzo9126
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:30 PM, 08/06/2009
    Moyer can easily be the long man. Why is his stuff more effective as a starter than as a reliever? A six man rotation is just idiotic. Moyer becomes the long man and is availible if anyone gets hurt or is ineffective. Like Amaro said, the goal should be to win baseball games. Jamie Moyer is a MAN, he can take it.
    RichNC
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:31 PM, 08/06/2009
    rather have Martinez than Moyer pitching as the 5th starter. Jamie gave his all for the Phils last year. He should be the odd man out here though. It's not that he's old. It's just that there are 5 better starting pitchers on this team. He should be put in long relief and if he wants to retire, pay his salary. He's earned it.
    James TL
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:53 PM, 08/06/2009
    Kenzo Moyer did well in the playoffs??
    phillynupe4
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:59 PM, 08/06/2009
    phillynupe4 - moyer was awful in the first two rounds of the playoffs, but pitched pretty well in his world series start
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:10 PM, 08/06/2009
    Yahoo Sprts shows Jamie Moyer as 0-2, with an ERA of 8.49 in the 2008 playoffs. The opposing teams hit .326 against him. Pretty bad. And I love Jamie Moyer. Personally, I still question what makes anyone believe that Pedro can still compete at a major league level, but there does seem to be very little downside to putting him in Moyer's spot. If he falls flat, Jamie will be there to come back and do his job. If he surprises and does well, all the better. But thank goodness the Happ issue is settled. Watching him pitch last night was truly fun.
    bobby
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:16 PM, 08/06/2009
    By the way, my nomination for Stupid Quote of the Day goes to Ruben Amaro, Jr,: “I know it was a minor-league club, but when you have 11 strikeouts and no walks, that’s good in Little League.” Good thinkin', Rubinator. By that logic, even Adam Eaton could be a HOF'er if he pitched against little leaguers. Well, OK, maybe not Adam Eaton, but you get the point.
    bobby
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:32 PM, 08/06/2009
    Put Moyer in long relief/spot starter role. There probably will be a starter injured, and he can step in, whether it is for one missed start or for the season. And there are 2 doubleheaders in Sept - that's two starts. Plus he will get a start or two after they clinch.
    Mh225
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 6:29 PM, 08/06/2009
    I think Moyer should have a mysterious injury after Sunday's start and we can put him on the DL til September when rosters expand to 40, that way we don't hurt his feelings by demoting him or relegating him to the bullpen. This will allow us time to see if Pedro is the real deal and Moyer can have a couple "rehab" starts before September 1st. If Pedro doesn't work out, then we can insert Moyer back in and move Pedro to the bullpen.
    robm0202
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:21 PM, 08/06/2009
    Amaro's quote was very noteworthy - - “They will get our respect,” Amaro said. “At the same time, we’re in the business of winning and it’s really about making the right decision for the club and not a matter of hurting some feelings.” If I can climb inside Amaro's head for a moment, I believe he would be more concerned about hurting Moyer's feelings than Martinez'. Moyer helped win a World Series, while Pedro is the "new kid on the block." Plus, it was Amaro who wooed Pedro to sign with the Phillies. How would it look to sign him for the money they did and hold a press conference just to have him pitch in long relief? What's more, I gotta believe a behind-the-scene handshake was made assuring Pedro he would start if he signed.
    PhightinPhil
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 12:09 AM, 08/07/2009
    "Moyer’s stuff is not considered effective in a relief role." why do people keep saying this? Moyer is most effective in the first 15 pitches.. after that the opponents batting average goes way up http://espn.go.com/mlb/players/splits?playerId=1799
    haggertyb
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:28 AM, 08/07/2009
    Its totally irrelevant that Moyer did well in '08 playoffs. Its his '09 inconsistency that is the issue. First couple of Pedro appearances should settle the issue. Meanwhile, Happ deserves congrats for how he has handled things.
    mick314
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:50 AM, 08/07/2009
    How about Martinez and Moyer split the job? One starts and pitches for 5 innings and the other finishes up. Then, they reverse rolls the following week. Predictable schedule for both. Keeps pitch count low for both, which would seem to be important for these two. Doesn't leave the bullpen short.
    oltmannd
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:04 PM, 08/07/2009
    PhightinPhil, then why did they put relief incentives in Pedro's deal?? He had to have at least known that it was a possibility. Bottom line is that the Phillies should not feel like they owe him anything.....The guy wanted to be a Met and he didn't feel badly saying that or anything else that was on his mind, why does everyone else feel like they need to walk on eggshells areound the guy?
    baseball_fan


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