Posted: Wednesday, January 27, 2010, 12:46 PM | 44 comments |
 
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Matt Gelb here, still taking you through the January doldrums...

Plenty to go over from Tuesday's "State of the Phillies" address by manager Charlie Manuel. Today's Inquirer covers it from plenty of angles.

Now it's time to dissect. Besides Manuel's hint at something resembling a plan to develop Cole Hamels' curveball by having him throw it early and often in spring training, I think the most illuminating comments came about the team's two new bullpen acquisitions -- Danys Baez and Jose Contreras. And many of you e-mailers this morning agree with me.

Of course, Contreras is not officially signed yet (he still needs to pass a physical), Manuel sort of let the cat out of the bag on that one. Here is part of Manuel's answer when asked if he is concerned about the bullpen:

"[Brad] Lidge and [J.C.] Romero will play a huge part in our bullpen," Manuel said. "We definitely have to get them back and 100 percent. But we picked up two guys and both of these guys I know, Baez and Contreras. We've got two guys, if they're sore, stiff or they have a headache, they'll pitch. And I know they'll pitch. Both of these guys are mentally tough guys. If these two guys tell me they're hurt, they're hurt. And that makes me feel good. I know both of them could pitch two innings. And they'll take the ball every time I want to give it to them. I know Baez will not turn the ball down. I was very happy when we got both of these guys."

Was Manuel taking a thinly veiled shot at Chan Ho Park?

That's what a few of you readers e-mailed this morning. When Manuel was finished lauding Baez and Contreras, I couldn't help but think the same thing. Park is still unsigned and indications are he's looking for a chance to become a starter again somewhere. Did he fully embrace being a middle reliever last season? He certainly succeeded at it for the majority of the time, but Manuel's comments could open the door to questioning Park's willingness to accept what comes with the role.

So let's go to the numbers.

Last season, Park was converted from a starter to reliever in late May. He pitched out of the bullpen exclusively in 2008 for Los Angeles. And in two years with 87 relief appearances, Park pitched on back-to-back days just 10 times.

There are a few factors here: Park spent half of 2008 as a long reliever, thus appearances on back-to-back days wouldn't make sense. And he did need some time in 2009 to transition into a middle reliever.

In 38 relief appearances with the Phillies, Park pitched on consecutive days five times. Let's compare to the entire bullpen in 2009:

Park (38 games): 5 games (13.1%) on 0 days rest, 7.2 IN, 2.35 ERA, 4/0 K/BB
Scott Eyre (42 games): 7 games (16.7%) on 0 days rest, 3.1 IN, 0.00 ERA, 1/2 K/BB
Clay Condrey (45 games): 14 games (31.1%) on 0 days rest, 11 IN, 3.27 ERA, 9/2 K/BB
Chad Durbin (59 games): 10 games (16.9%) on 0 days rest, 11 IN, 4.91 ERA, 6/4 K/BB
J.C. Romero (21 games): 5 games (23.8%) on 0 days rest, 2.2 IN, 3.38 ERA, 1/4 K/BB
Ryan Madson (79 games): 29 games (36.7%) on 0 days rest, 28.1 IN, 2.86 ERA, 32/2 K/BB
Brad Lidge (67 games): 21 games (31.3%) on 0 days rest, 17.1 IN, 9.87 ERA, 18/9 K/BB

An aside: Madson's numbers on consecutive days are stunning. Condrey's aren't half bad, either.

Out of the regulars, Park pitched the smallest percentage of games on consecutive days. A warning: Usage statistics are hard to quantify. A lot depends on situations, the manager's preference and roles. But if Manuel's comments and prior tendencies are any sign, he wants a middle reliever who he can rely on every day -- even if he doesn't use him every day. Trust is a huge factor. And what manager doesn't want that?

Manuel was high in his praise of Baez and Contreras being available every day. Let's look at their usage trends from 2009:

Baez (59 games): 5 games (8.5%) on 0 days rest, 5.1 IN, 3.38 ERA, 2/0 K/BB
Contreras (5 games): 2 games (40%) on 0 days rest, 2 IN, 0.00 ERA, 1/2 K/BB

First, with respect to Contreras, he has rarely been a full-time reliever, the role the Phillies are likely to ask him to fill in 2010. He has pitched in 191 career games -- but just 16 as a reliever. And most of those have been as a long man, not in middle relief. So, for now, we'll have to take Manuel's assertion that Contreras will be available every day so long as he is healthy with a grain of salt. Contreras has never had to do it on a regular basis.

Now, to Baez. He missed the entire 2008 season with an elbow injury. That could explain the low percentage of outings on consecutive days. Here are his career figures:

Baez (427 games): 97 games (22.7%) on 0 days rest, 98.1 IN, 3.84 ERA, 73/33 K/BB

That percentage is closer to what Manuel is envisioning. During Baez's introductory news conference earlier this month, Phillies general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. said there was little concern about Baez's durability and the team felt he could pitch on back-to-back days with more than one inning at times.

So while Manuel is excited about the durability of his two new relievers, the numbers suggest to temper those expectations. But given Baez will now be two years removed from the injury and Contreras can focus on being a middle reliever full time, the trends could change.

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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:25 PM, 01/27/2010
    Charlie said the team can play better. In what areas did he mention? Hitting with runners on with two outs? The bench? Just what areas do the Phils need to improve?
    KGKoons
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:36 PM, 01/27/2010
    The bench needed to be improved, and he did. Starting pitching needed to be improved, he did that. Pinch hitting needed a VAST improvement - he did that. The only ? I see is with the relief and closing pitching. If Madson and Romero can pitch even @ 80% and we get Lidge to pitch at 60% - 70% of 2008 level, we should be OK.
    Hollywood Junkie
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:38 PM, 01/27/2010
    They need to improve in the area of games won in a 7 game series.
    ceocreates
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:38 PM, 01/27/2010
    Are you a wannabe psychiatrist? Could you do more over-analyzing from nothing? Manuel doesn't have any thinly veiled thoughts...the guy shoots from the hip. Manuel was just talking up the new guys. He wasn't putting down the old guys. Manuel burnt out his entire bullpen last year by pitching guys when they were hurt and Park did an excellent job as a reliever last year...he certainly embraced the reliever role after he was roughed up as a starter and knocked out of the rotation. This article is nothing but fantasy land.
    JimG
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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:56 PM, 01/27/2010
    It seemed to me like Durbin more than Park was the reliever Manual most had to handle with kid gloves last year, and there were other relievers on the DL for longer-than-anticipated stretches. It must be tough work covering a strong, sound team:)
    frankenslade
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:57 PM, 01/27/2010
    Hey Matt, just wanted to give you a tip of the cap for the great job you have done filling in for Martino. Kinda like Lou Gehrig filling in for Wally Pipp.
    jimmymack
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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:01 PM, 01/27/2010
    I think that is not giving Chan Ho the respect he deserves. He was a workhorse out of the pen last year, pitching multiple innings almost every time out. He was the savior of the pen when everyone else was struggling and I think his loss is going to be huge this season. Baez is not going to be able to pitch back to back games with his arm troubles
    Lemur
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:03 PM, 01/27/2010
    I think they should bring back Condrey. He is cheap and has been very good for them the past couple of seasons, especially last year.
    Lemur
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:10 PM, 01/27/2010
    Hmmm, aren't there some Madson critics who constantly claim he can't pitch well on consecutive days? Those numbers seem pretty good to me.
    Statman
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:22 PM, 01/27/2010
    Lemur, Condrey has signed with the Twinkies. And, as far as the Park thingee goes, Cholly has been around for decades and knows his Hos'.
    mick314
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:27 PM, 01/27/2010
    Lemur - that would be a bit hard considering that he signed with Minnesota.
    catnameddomino
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:28 PM, 01/27/2010
    Lemur, I agree we should bring Condrey back because he was beast last year. Only problem is that he signed with the Twins when the Phils didn't tender him an offer. I believe Durbin is going to have a year similar to 2008. He had a nagging back injury in 09 that caused him to pitch poorly during the middle of the season. When he was healthy in the playoffs we saw the guy from 2008 on the mound. The additions of Baez and Contreras has made the bullpen alot better. Have Phaith!
    BammBamm
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:33 PM, 01/27/2010
    Of course he was talking about Park. Read this article from Jim Salisbury from 1/21. Its his conversation with Charlie. http://www.csnphilly.com/pages/landing?blockID=166826 Here's a blurb: “I think Chan Ho had good stuff,’’ Manuel said. “He was good in that role. But it was hard for us to bring him back the next day. We had to pick when he could pitch. Baez, you can pitch him till his back breaks. You couldn’t do that with Chan Ho. That was understandable because he’d only been relieving for a short time and was used to starting. But he didn’t bounce back real quick. He had nagging stuff – sore knees and neck all year.’’
    mxxxc3


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