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Thursday, August 28, 2008
Castro Up, Carpenter Down

The Phillies have recalled lefthander Fabio Castro from triple-A Lehigh Valley and have optioned righthander Drew Carpenter, who made his big-league debut last night against the Mets, to double-A Reading.

Castro is 0-1 with a 3.30 ERA in 30 appearances with the Phillies and Rangers. He was 8-2 with a 4.40 ERA in 27 appearances (16 starts) for Reading this season and 0-2 with an 8.10 ERA in three apperances (two starts) for Lehigh Valley.

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Posted 12:44 PM, 08/28/2008
Truth
I think Fabio is the perfect compliment to Blanton!! Great news!
Posted 01:18 PM, 08/28/2008
RollinsWasRight
This is all about Scott Eyre throwing 3 2/3 innings the last two nights, isn't it? Not sure I agree with it. I know they really want a second lefty in the pen, but the Cubs don't have any left-handed hitters to worry about. Fukudome is it, and Romero is enough to go after him once. Other than that, their whole lineup, Soriano, Lee, Ramirez, Theriot... are all right-handed hitters. Whatever. Hopefully Cole pitches a shutout tonight, Castro is sent back down tomorrow after Eyre gets a day of rest, and we never hear from Fabio again. Go Phils!
Posted 01:28 PM, 08/28/2008
jeff gross
Remember, anyone on the roster as of teh 31st is elegible for post season. Could be that they feel an extra lefty is needed in post season, or they want to try Fabio out again before trading, cutting him in off season
Posted 01:43 PM, 08/28/2008
dc4183
Castro is a good pitcher, when he was with us remember that he really at that point had no business being on the roster yet. He was a draftee that had to be on the roster or we had to give him back. He did his mop up duty up here and did a decent job. GOt sent down to be seasoned, give the guy a chance.
Posted 01:46 PM, 08/28/2008
EL Zorro
I know I am still talking about last night. But if you are bringing another lefty, why not use Romero last night? And yes Rollins, the Cubs lineup is right-handed heavy. That's another reason.
Posted 02:12 PM, 08/28/2008
RAS
RollinsWasRight is right on with his comment. The Cubs have two lefties, Fuko and Edmonds. If anything, the Phils need to stay with the righty Carpenter, or add a better one.
Posted 02:40 PM, 08/28/2008
bski
JEFF....I am re-posting from the last thread. Please re-read what I said. I did not say that Manuel (or any manager) SHOULD manage based on what's best for his closer's numbers or his contract negotiations. What I am saying is that managers fall into using their closers the way the role is now defined....AND I DON'T LIKE IT AT ALL. Instead of using the best pitcher in the bullpen in the most crucial inning of the game, managers hold them back until the 9th. Again, the reason they do this is because they are stuck in their thinking. Conventional wisdom now holds that you hold back your best pitcher to "close out the game in the 9th". Manuel is just like almost every other manager in this regard. I would love to see this change, because I don't agree with it at all!
Posted 02:40 PM, 08/28/2008
bski
A part of me wanted to go apes**t on Manuel and scream, like Apollo Creed did to Rocky, "THERE IS NO TOMORROW! THERE IS NO TOMORROW!" Unfortunately for Manuel, there are many more tomorrows left in this season and he has got to think of them as well. None of us REALLY knows the condition each bullpen pitcher was in last night. Bottom line is he was backed into a corner because of Tuesday night's game, he decided to push it and try to let Seanez finish the 8th, and it didn't work out. What if Manuel decided to push it with a reliever or two--because last night's game was too important to lose--and they got injured? Who's out, for how long, who has to cover for him, how does that affect the rest of the bullpen, and the big question...How many games do we lose as a result? I'm as frustrated as everyone else. If this were the last week of the season, I wouldn't accept any excuse, BUT we've still got 30 games to play and we need a healthy bullpen for all of them.
Posted 02:41 PM, 08/28/2008
bski
Another thing....Manuel is not alone in being hidebound by the “rules of using your closer”. The whole “clean inning” philosophy drives me crazy and I think it really devalues the save. A Brad Lidge save is not the equivalent of a Bruce Sutter save, (or a Goose Gossage save, or a Rollie Fingers save) IMO. We all know that many times the game is won or lost in the 7th or 8th inning. Maybe Madson is trying to hold a 1 run lead and then later we tack on a run or two and Lidge comes in with a 3 run lead. Either that or the top or the middle of the order is up in the 7th or 8th and Lidge faces the bottom of the order in the 9th. Plus, middle relievers come into games with men on base pretty regularly. The late inning “brige to Lidge” guys do as well. Meanwhile, the best bullpen arm we have only pitches when he can start an inning clean. Nonsense.
Posted 02:41 PM, 08/28/2008
bski
I feel that the decision he made last night should be more of an indictment of the rules of MLB instead of Manuel’s ability to manage. He was just instinctively doing what every other manager does with their closer. I would love to see all of the closers in baseball pitch in the most crucial inning of the game, whether it is the 7th, 8th, or 9th. The only way that could possibly happen is for MLB to redefine how a pitcher earns a save. If a save could be earned anywhere from the 7th inning on, you know darn well that managers would use them anywhere in the late innings of games, because there would be no reason to hold them back specifically for the 9th. They could still bring them in to start an inning (after all, they try to do that with most relievers anyway). I think if MLB would redefine the save it would be great for the game. Think about it. We would have the best pitcher in every bullpen pitching the most critical inning late in the ball game. That’s where I think Manuel really put himself in a bind. In wanting to hold Lidge back for the save, he allowed the opportunity for the Phils to lose the game in the 8th, before Lidge could even take the mound. If the rules were changed, Lidge faces the heart of the Mets order in the 8th, sets them down, earns the save, and then Seanez can finish off the bottom of the order in the 9th. Big difference? I think so!
Posted 03:00 PM, 08/28/2008
Captain
Great. I missed him. Now when rosters expand and we can get Eaton back up the staff we will be complete.
Posted 03:08 PM, 08/28/2008
EL Zorro
bski, the best way to use the bullpen is the way most teams do now. The have a reliever for different situations leading to the closer. Closers are bred to be closers, most of the times, since their minor league days and that’s how the develop the closer mentality. You put a closer in a nonsave situation and is not the same pitcher. The same can be said about putting a setup man in a save situation. They have different make ups. That's the nature of the beast. One paper your theory makes sense, somewhat, but on the field is a different story. Also, in the nine inning the closer may face a tough pinch hitter. If you put your best reliever, which will be your closer, let say in the sixth or seventh, who is going to pitch to that tough pinch hitter in the ninth?
Posted 03:43 PM, 08/28/2008
jeff gross
BSKI: I responded in teh previous thread that if I misread your comment I apologise. i agree that teh closer's of today are a spoiled bunch. I will put any of themup against Fingers, Sutter, Tug, Goose and just watch them get eaten for breakfast. In teh good days, relief pitchers would go 2-3 innings every day with no problems, and even start a game now and then. Zorro-of the Pinch hitter was that good, he'd be starting and not sitting on teh bench-dobbs included
Posted 03:52 PM, 08/28/2008
Truth
jeff gross-I also agree that closers and pitchers in general are "soft". I really don't blame them for protecting there future earnings( think Hamels 07 playoff) but at the same time if you seriously think your going to hurt yourself by pitching 15-25 pitches outta the 'pen 3-4 times in week once or twice a yr you really don't belong in the bigs...You really can't call yourself a professional. I also think the mgr's really feed into it. Thats one of the things I miss about Bowa he would of called a spade a spade on that one. gross its probably the only thing I will agree with YOU on.
Posted 04:05 PM, 08/28/2008
EL Zorro
I said a good pinch hitter, not a good player. A good pinch hitter is a good hitter who can't be put in a line up because, he is either a bad defensive player, may be a singles and gap hitter with not enough speed (like Greg Gross), an outfielder who hits for average with good power but a liability in the field like Dobbs, Del Unser, Mota, Davalillo, etc. Those are the pinch hitters I am talking about.
Posted 04:11 PM, 08/28/2008
jeff gross
Oh, you mean a hitter like Howard? get real! Baseball is supposed to be a sport where you play offence and defence, field and hit. Specialty players are a new thing. Gross and Unser, for example were the 4th outfielders, Dobbs is the back-up 3B, no one (excpet AL weenies) keep players on team who can only pinch hit. Pitchers should be able to pitch a few innings a few times a week. This one inning stuff just means more mediocre players in teh big leagues
Posted 04:32 PM, 08/28/2008
RollinsWasRight
There are too many teams, and too many pitchers who shouldn't be in the bigs. I would not be in favor of exposing any relief pitcher to more than one inning consistently because they are all either failed starters or failed closers. That means, outside of your closer, all the other pitchers in your pen are basically the worst pitchers on your staff. And sadly, closers are trained to throw one inning from a very young age. The worst part is, the Phillies have one of the few who have proven he CAN work more than one inning effectively, and Charlie better learn that, because IF they make the playoffs, they would need Lidge to get 4 or 5 outs once in a while, both down the stretch and in the playoffs.
Posted 04:40 PM, 08/28/2008
RollinsWasRight
Need to have Cole come up BIG tonight. How about this line? 8.0 IP, 4 H, 1 R, 1 ER, 2 BB, 8 K ... ... I'll take it. "Down goes Dempster! Down goes Dempster!"
Posted 04:46 PM, 08/28/2008
B in DC
Rollins made a good point about most relievers being failed starters or closers. You don't draft a guy thinking, "Boy, he'd be a great mop up guy". Ok, maybe the Phils do, but no one should.
Posted 04:57 PM, 08/28/2008
Clem
I live in upstate NY so I had the Met's station and announcers on (Kind of like Hernanadez and Darling as announcers, too). Hernandez couldn't understand why Manuel left Seanez in when delgado was 3 for 6 w/ 2 homers against him and Lidege looked ready. Consequently....4 for 6 with 3 HR's.
Posted 05:07 PM, 08/28/2008
RAS
The Sporting News Reliever of the Year Award used to be called Firemen of the Year Award back when closers came in the game regardless of the situation to put out the fire and save the game. They changed the name in 2001 when it became apparent that the clean inning was the closer's motif. So now all a closer can do is start fires. See Wagner and Gagne this year.
Posted 05:24 PM, 08/28/2008
Truth
gross-your spelling is on par with a second grader.
Posted 05:47 PM, 08/28/2008
bigeastbeast
Why not option out Kendrick as well?Every team with optionable starters should do this after every start to get an extra reliever or bat.
Posted 06:15 PM, 08/28/2008
EL Zorro
Gross, Howard is a DH, not a pinch hitter. When major league teams make up rosters, you should know this, they include a utility infielder or two, a backup cather or two, and a couple of outfielders. Those players, when not getting spot starts, become pinch hitters. And in that group of bench players you'll find the good pinch hitter, like the roll Dobbs is playing with the Phillies and Dmitri Young played with some teams, before they gave him a shot at starting in Detroit and Washington. When the other manager looks at the other team lineup, he looks at the players on the bench as pinch hitters not as the four outfielders or backups.
Posted 06:23 PM, 08/28/2008
nizzies
where's Anna Benson at?
Posted 06:36 PM, 08/28/2008
EL Zorro
Not in a stadium near you. Her husband got hit pretty good the other day. Sorry for the typos once in a while.
Posted 06:42 PM, 08/28/2008
Norma
I don't know who I feel most sorry for during a close stretch run. Managment having to keep close tabs on stats, to make day-to-day decisions. Or affected players holding their breaths.
Posted 06:58 PM, 08/28/2008
bski
El Zorro: I'm not talking about using a closer in a non-save situation. I'm talking about changing the way a save is awarded so that having a 2-run lead in the 7th BECOMES a save situation, one in which a manager will chose to use his best bullpen arm, the closer. Also managers use tough pinch hitters anywhere in the late innings. Our back end "bridge to Lidge" guys face tough pinch hitters all the time. The Phils don't always hold Dobbs back for the 9th inning. If a key situation arises, Manuel will use him in the 7th or 8th......JEFF, I'm not talking about using the closer for 2 or 3 innings either. What I am saying is that managers can continue to use the closer for only 1 inning, they also can bring them into the game to start an inning as they prefer to do. What I would like is for managers to stop holding the best bullpen pitcher they have in reserve for the 9th inning exclusively, because many times you lose the opportunity to use them by waiting, which means that you are trusting a crucial part of the game to a lesser pitcher..
Posted 07:08 PM, 08/28/2008
KMG
Here's the question I have with last night- I have no trouble bringing in Lidge for a four out save, the bullpen is shot and it's the end of August-crunch time. My question is this- if you're willing to bring in Lidge in the 8th, after Seanez gives up the HR to Delgado, why not just bring him in to pitch to Delgado in the first place?
Posted 07:15 PM, 08/28/2008
KMG
bski- here's the only problem I have with what you're saying- throughout baseball there are a lot of guys who are lights out in innings 6-8 that fall apart if you give them the ball in the 9th inning. Finding someone that can handle the pressure of pitching in the 9th is not easy these days. I agree with you that the 7th-8th inning may be the tougher inning in terms of who you face in the lineup but in the modern reliver's head the 9th is the tough inning no matter where you are in the lineup.
Posted 07:27 PM, 08/28/2008
B in DC
Earlier in the year, apparently Rudy Seanez convinced the DC announcers that his last name was pronounced "Shawn-ez", as in the first part of his name is like the original Irish version of the now Americanized first name, even though he's neither. So he's obviously got a good sense of humor, and he had a heck of a first half this year, and so I feel bad for saying this: he stinks now. Time to give up. He's a one inning guy when you're down eight runs and your long man's finished for the night, and that's it. Kind of like Fabio was a couple years ago. It all comes full circle. Bring Swindle or someone else back up, and let Rudy walk. I pointed this out on the High Cheese earlier today, I don't know why Carpenter was called up, his WHIP in Reading is higher than Eaton's.
Posted 07:44 PM, 08/28/2008
EL Zorro
bsk. It is a save situation if you bring the guy in the seven with your team leading. The problem is the reliever has to finish the game. As a matter of fact, if you bring a reliever with a 9 run lead in the seven, and he finish the game and the team wins, he saves the game, because he recorded 9 outs, which represent 9 runs. That use to happen in the era you mentioned with Gossage, Fingers, etc.
Posted 07:53 PM, 08/28/2008
bski
KMG: That's my point exactly! The problem lies in what is in the modern relievers head! The "closer" role was basically invented and now an entire generation of pitchers has grown up with that narrow construct in their heads. You are right that most middle relievers crumble when they are asked to pitch the 9th. Certainly some of them just are not good enough, however I'm sure that many of them are capable of handling it, if they could somehow be deprogrammed. The reason many of them can't do it now is because they are conditioned to think that the 9th is the most difficult inning to pitch. Mentally, they are not prepared, but that does not mean they can never do it. If the "role of the closer" was redefined, over time pitchers could certainly overcome the mental hangups associated with pitching the 9th because the aura would dissipate. Everyone, players, managers, pitching coaches, GM's, EVERYONE has accepted the current definition of "the role of the closer" as gospel. It was never that way years ago. There is a good chance that if you use your closer earlier, you can relieve some of the pressure of pitching in the 9th. I know I have my head in the clouds here and what I'm suggesting will never happen (at least in my lifetime). Because of how the "role of the closer" has been pretty much etched in stone and become part of managing "by the book", I know there is no chance that MLB will make the necessary changes in the rules governing how a save is awarded. Without that, managers will never significantly alter the way the use their closers.
Posted 07:58 PM, 08/28/2008
bski
EL ZORRO: I know that and you are exactly right, THAT IS THE PROBLEM. How MLB currently awards a save is exactly what I am proposing to change. I am talking about using the closer the exact same way: bring him in to start an inning and have him pitch only one inning. The change I'm talking about is awarding a save if he does that in the 7th or the 8th, not just in the 9th.
Posted 08:04 PM, 08/28/2008
EL Zorro
Yeah, but how about if you have multiple situations. Like the bases loaded in the seventh and in the eight and two different relievers get out of jams. Who gets the save?
Posted 10:09 PM, 08/28/2008
bski
El Zorro: Very true. I realize I'm dreaming. This is really just coming out of frustration over managers holding their closers back, because it is common for the game to be lost before they get to use them in the 9th.
Posted 10:24 PM, 08/28/2008
Mark1npt
Oh No! 2-run Madsen coming in......hope he can stick to his monicker.....we might still win! Cole pitched a beauty.....this could be the 1st time ALL SEASON where our "Ace" beat theirs.....sad, isn't it?
Posted 10:27 PM, 08/28/2008
Mark1npt
OMG! Please get this loser out of there, FAST!
Posted 10:33 PM, 08/28/2008
bski
Bottom of the 8th.....Madson faces 3 batters.....Homer, double, single...1 run in, runners on first and third, no outs.....OUCH!
Posted 10:34 PM, 08/28/2008
CheapPhillies
Don't you just love how easily every move the Phils ever make has a money sticker on it? Sickens me. I just wish everyone would stop going to the games and drive these small-market small-minded jerks out of here. Wish I lived in Chicago, the windy city not the all hot air and full of wind city. If the Phils would just spend what the average major league teams spends on scouting and minor leagues .. I'd be a happy camper. Terrible farm system, even in the 70s - it was the great trades made by Paul Pope Owens (Maddox,McBride,Gross,and tons of others - Jerry Martin is your typical marginal Philly prospect and that is why he is still with the team. I'm an Atheist, but I miss the Pope.
Posted 10:37 PM, 08/28/2008
Mark1npt
This is sickening to see.....the BP has crashed and burned and there's still a month to go in the season....they are cooked. Poor Cole....
Posted 10:43 PM, 08/28/2008
bski
Can you believe it. Hamels is going to have to work himself up to throwing 200 pitches a game so he never has to come out. He was flat out cruising and the Cubs could do nothing against him for 7 innings. He comes out and pfffft.
Posted 11:12 PM, 08/28/2008
KMG
bullpen flat out stunk-great all year, stunk tonight-enf of story. We'll get them tomorrow. GO PHILS!!!!!!
Posted 11:17 PM, 08/28/2008
bobby
Hamels does NOT have to throw 200 pitches. But 120 is not a stretch! This loss goes right to Charlie. I'm sorry, but it's gut-check time, and to run Madsen out there again and expect to hold the Cubs at home is flat out stupid. In my view you HAVE to go with your strengths in that situation: Hamels in the 8th and Lidge in the 9th. (Can someone please explain the upside of Ryan Madsen to me??)
Posted 11:17 PM, 08/28/2008
Mark1npt
BP stunk tonight, stunk last night and has stunk other nights too, they are an overworked, overexposed bunch with hardly anything left for the stretch run......if I'm Cole I'm in Cholly's office right now telling him flat out....you don't take me out, I come out when I want to come out.....no ifs, ands, or buts.......
Posted 11:19 PM, 08/28/2008
MrPhillie
Why is it that the Phils can never seem to get the entire team playing together at the same time? Why is EVERYTHING such a struggle for this team? I watch the Cubs and even when they are losing they still "look" like they're going to win. That 8th inning was a nightmare, but if you are a Phillies fan you just sensed that things were not going to end well. Their hitters looked awfully comfortable up there in the 8th when they were behind. When our hitters were up in the 9th they appeared to be grinding...or hoping that they would succeed instead of knowing you will succeed. Anyway, just as Tuesday night's game was a great win, these last two games have been terrible losses. Whatever high this team and fan base gained on Tuesday is all but gone tonight...again, everything is a struggle...the Phils just cannot stand prosperity. This was a game we had to win because it is not looking good against Harden tomorrow.
Posted 11:29 PM, 08/28/2008
Clinton, NJ
LEAVE HAMELS IN LONGER NEXT TIME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted 12:10 AM, 08/29/2008
Norma
Yes, I'm going to say it again....STUPID PITCH COUNT!!! Cole could definitely pitched another inning! And even so, why bring in Madsen? Romero or Durbin should have set up for Lidge. Our bullpen has been outstanding all season. Now is NOT the time to tank, boys!
Posted 12:20 AM, 08/29/2008
EL Zorro
Victorinos's reaction on Ramirez's homer tells you the whole story. I want Charlie to see the replay. I guess he didn't learn from last year when he took Kendrick out in the second game of the playoffs in the fourth inning and put fly-ball pitcher Kyle Loshe with the bases loaded. I was there, and walked away the minute I so Charlile come out of the dugout. For how long can Hamels take this BS?
Posted 01:30 AM, 08/29/2008
Norma
MrPhillie.....The Cubbies hitters looked so relaxed in the 8th, because a lose wasn't going to hurt them in the standings. We need a *cheerleader* in the dugout to keep our guys motivated. I'll volunteer! LOL!
Posted 01:36 AM, 08/29/2008
Norma
Chase had a good game. Three hits, an rbi, plus reached base on an error. Too bad they could only get home once. Also too bad the only time he didn't get on base, was his last at-bat. Pat's cooling off again. Maybe they should put Werth between Chase & Howard.
Posted 02:18 AM, 08/29/2008
pat h
If anyone has been paying attention to what the bullpen has done in the last (3)weeks ? The setup men have blown leads in the 8th inning (5)times..Think we miss Flash ? Were throwing the likes of "Headlights" Madson, Chad Durbins, his arm is obviously tired, because he's never been in this many games as a reliever. Our "one trick Pony" Romero, only for lefties. Seanez,we sent him down to the minors 2weeks ago . Who else can we use ? Clay Condrey. They better do something or this seasons over..The bullpen has done a great job in long relief, Lidge, lights out....We have no setup guy ...Starting pitchers deserve better, they've been great...
Posted 05:20 AM, 08/29/2008
jrquixote
Ruben "Little Ed" Amaro, Jr., our assistant GM, Stanford grad with the winning smile is rumored to be seeking out Mike Lamb, jettisoned this week by the Twins. He hit .236 overall and .167 as a pinch hitter. Amaro is hoping that Lamb will solve all the problems of a bigoted organization developing WASP ballplayers from Australia over Latin American players. In addition, Amaro hopes that Lamb will ease the job of an intellectually challenged manager and coaching staff. As usual however, Lamb's acquisition will strain an already burgeoning team salary and is subject to Dave Montgomery's veto. You can't say that "Little Ed" is doing everything to win a championship however.
Posted 08:07 AM, 08/29/2008
mick314
Fabio recalled ! Fidel on DL Is Raul next ?
Posted 09:15 AM, 08/29/2008
timm2
I was at a Chicago bar watching the game last night. Obviously I am not too happy today. The only time a manager has any real decision in a game is in the 7th and 8th innings. Unfortunately for us, we have a manager who is good for the other 7 innings.
Posted 09:38 AM, 08/29/2008
MrPhillie
Norma, you'e probably right that the Cubs are more relaxed because their playoff spot is all but locked-up. Still, whether the crowd is cheering for our guys or not and no matter the circumstances, the Phillies never appear "hitterish" as "his whiteness" used to say. Also, I have thought for a few games now of moving Werth between Utley and Howard. Seems like a smart move to me. A few add-on runs would solve much of the late-inning woes. But then again, I'm not too smart. Also, none of it matters unless all players are playing well at the same time.
Posted 09:49 AM, 08/29/2008
Beef69
Harden vs. Blanton today. Old teammates. Maybe Blanton will step it up. Last night was our best shot though. Have to say the Cubs line up is dangerous.
Posted 10:09 AM, 08/29/2008
danderooski
Look, you have the Cubs on the ropes at Wrigley, and you manage the game as if you're playing the Pirates instead! The Cubs are NOT "any other team", they are the best team in baseball, and by a long stretch. Uncle Cholly had them on the ropes, and he yanks the guy who dominated them for 7 innings because....because....that's the way you do it?!?!?!?!? What a jerk! Manage the game that's in front of you and make a statement. If the Phils had a manager, they'd really be dangerous. Instead, they got some farmer who's idea of an insightful coment is "we have to play better". I made the call from my family room last night; Hamels in the 8th, Lidge in the 9th; good morning, good afternoon, good night, hello first place.
Posted 10:46 AM, 08/29/2008
EL Zorro
I agree danderoski. That's two loses in for Charlie. Like I said yesterday, he got to go for the kill. He got to go next year.
Posted 11:01 AM, 08/29/2008
timm2
Matt Stairs, yipee.............sigh.
Posted 11:13 AM, 08/29/2008
Beef69
I heard we signed Roy Hobbs at the age of 75! Think he can make lightning strike again?
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