Posted: Wednesday, November 5, 2008, 1:00 AM | 30 comments |
 
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Pat Burrell celebrates as he leads the Phillies down Broad Street on a horse-drawn beer wagon. Burrell, a Phil for nine seasons, is a free agent.

The Phillies haven't opened contract negotiations with Pat Burrell, and it's unclear when they will.

The Phillies have exclusive negotiating rights with Burrell through Nov. 14.

"We have [talked] in the past and we probably will again," Ruben Amaro Jr. said at the GM meetings in Dana Point, Calif. "We'll see if it's a possibility that we match up."

I spoke with one of Burrell's agents, Ed Hayes, last night. Here is some of what he had to say:

Q: How would you characterize Pat's interest in coming back? He has made it clear he would like to be back.
A: The bottom line is that everything you've heard from him publicly is an accurate statement of his feelings. He loves it here. He loves the fans. He loves playing here. He thinks this team has an opportunity to win for many, many years. And he'd love to stay. Whether the economics can be worked out, I guess we're going to find out in the next ... whatever period of time. His primary goal is to stay here, but we'll see what the Phillies have in mind and whether things can be worked out. But his goal is to be here.

Q: You have not talked formally with the Phillies yet?
A: That is correct.

Q: Do you have a desire to get those talks going soon?
A: Obviously, the Phillies have exclusive rights for another 10 days or so. In a perfect world you work something out right away and everybody is happy. But I think Pat understands that this could be a lengthy process. We hope it isn't. But look, Ruben has got his hands full right now. It's understandable. There are a lot of things he needs to do. Quite frankly, it might be a period of time before they're even in a position to address it. Pat would like to see it done quickly, but he also recognizes that there may be some time in it.

Amaro mentioned the possibility that they could go with a platoon in left field that includes Greg Dobbs, Geoff Jenkins and Matt Stairs.

"[Dobbs might be] a pretty real option," he said. "Leftfield might very well be his best defensive position. And the more at-bats he gets the better. With Charlie, if a guy is playing well, and [Jayson] Werth is the perfect example, he'll let him play every day. Greg is a hard worker. He's not going to take anything for granted."

Still, the Phils would then have to acquire a righthanded-hitting outfielder to platoon with Dobbs or the others.

"In an ideal world, yes," he said. "For balance, yes. But I think we could probably live with it. If there's a way to improve somehow with a free-agent we will."

I still suspect Burrell won't be back, but I can't imagine the Phillies wouldn't want a righthanded bat to put into their lineup if Burrell doesn't return. Charlie Manuel talks about balance all the time. If the Phillies go with that three-headed lefthanded platoon in left, the only pure righthanded hitters in the lineup would be Werth, Pedro Feliz and Carlos Ruiz.

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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:21 AM, 11/05/2008
    The 2008 season is officially over. Time for all of us to think with our heads and not our hearts. This in many ways is the Rowand situation all over again. Burrell wants more years, Phils will decline. Bye Bye Paddy.. We need to get younger to stay on top. Please lets not forget that Burrell is a liability in the field and on the bases. We have to burn a player every game for defense. His slumps can last for seasons. Maybe I'm being tough on him. Remember use your head and not your heart..I'd hate to lose Hamels or Howard in a money crunch because we felt sentimental about Burrell, and over paid him. Still thanks for the memories..
    pat h
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:06 AM, 11/05/2008
    PAT H, I agree. While it would be nice to see Pat stay here, I don't want to repeat what happened after our run in 1993. We gave big contracts to Dykstra and Daulton that really hurt us later on. Pat was a big part of our success. He deserves credit for hanging tough through some bad years and turning it around. I'm glad to see him come out the other side and win a title. That said, it would be a mistake to overpay him (in terms of YEARS even more than in dollars).
    bski
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:08 AM, 11/05/2008
    In my opinion, they need another righthanded bat even if they keep Burell, to platoon with Jenkins or Dobbs in left or right. So Taguchi is gone, so you probably will need another RH bat. One option is to keep Tadahito Iguchi as an extra infielder, if you can convince him.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:52 AM, 11/05/2008
    Now that people have their rings, it's always gonna be about the money....not sacrificing playing time or career numbers just to stay in a lovely city and win more titles.....Rowand showed that when he chose to leave, so will Burrell and eventually Hamels and Howard too....it takes a different kinda player to want to stay and continue to succeed....especially in this city. Good luck Rube, you're gonna need it.
    Mark1npt
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:18 AM, 11/05/2008
    El Zorro, if Pat stays, Jenkins and Dobbs ride teh bench. Werth plays right, Pat plays left and Victorino is in center. YOu need a Righ handed bat off the bench, but he can play any posistion
    jeff gross
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:28 AM, 11/05/2008
    Todd, any ideas who the phillies could/would/should get if Pat leaves? Obviously the idea of a three way platoon with all three lefties is not a serrious option, at best it is a stop gap move (I do't mind Dobbs playing LF every day, but who is the pinch hitter/ 3B
    jeff gross
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:54 AM, 11/05/2008
    Yeah, you right Jeff. My bad. My point was that we still need another righthanded bat and maybe two, even with Pat staying.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:01 AM, 11/05/2008
    The Phils will probably offer arbitration to Pat after they can't agree on years/dollars. If he's serious about wanting to still play here, he'll accept it. If not, he'll pull a Rowand and take the longest contract, wherever that is. Most likely an AL team, where they'll use him for DH when he gets TOO old and slow. Bill Lyon wrote about the Phillies and Philly having a "Complex Marriage" I view Burrell and us the same way. He could have been a marquee player in this town for many years (remember the CBP renderings with "Home Run Pat Burrell, Phils Win" on the scoreboard?) Those moments were too few and far between. Never an All-Star, only 1 Top 10 MVP vote, never lead the League in any hitting category. Pat did provide some much needed life for a dead franchise his first couple years, for that I'm grateful, but I won't be heart-broken if he doesn't come back. I just hope Rube brings in some other decent Right-handed bat.
    Sully
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:06 AM, 11/05/2008
    Sully, I'm getting tired of all the people saying how little Pat contributed during his years here and how if he leaves it won't be that bad...as long as tehy get another right handed bat who provides his numbers. Well, who is your answer?? What right handed OF are you suggesting we get?
    jeff gross
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:23 AM, 11/05/2008
    The Phillies can't keep both Jenkins and Stairs, so forget about that. They will need a replacement for Taguchi, someone with some speed who can play all the outfield positions, players like Reggie Willits, Justin Chrisian, Willie Bloomquist. Golson isn't ready yet.
    JayW
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:40 AM, 11/05/2008
    Jeff, you don't necessarily need to replace Burell. Jayson Werth can put Burell’s numbers or better his number in a full season. You can get a cheaper part time player (Baldelli?) to platoon with either Dobbs or Jenkins. As much as I like Pat, I don’t think he is going to be here. His speed is declining and you hate to have Howard and him on the bases at the same time with either Werth or Victorino hitting a gapper. He is also prone to too many hitting slumps and so is Howard. You can’t have two slow runners, strikeout machines hitting back-to-back again.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:48 AM, 11/05/2008
    Jeff, I didn't say Pat hasn't contributed, he has, but he has been wildly inconsistent. What I said was that the Phillies won't gamble with a long-term contract, due to his speed, age, etc... and I understand why that might happen. Finding players is the GM's job. I don't pretend to be one, thus I'd never stick my neck out and say "trade for Holliday or sign Manny" I didn't even say this new guy has to put up numbers like Pat. Just be a decent ballplayer that can contribute to the franchise. This year should have showed EVERYONE that you don't need a blockbuster (Sanatana, Manny) to win. I trust that Rube will fill the need, with or without Burrell, they best way that he can.
    Sully
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:17 AM, 11/05/2008
    If you are "trding" pat for Werth, that's fine, but who replaces Werth's numbers from this year? Also Werth is not a Power hitter, despite his 20+ HR this year. he is a single doubles guy with speed and a bit of power. The Outfield next year needs to produce runs (HR< RBI, H) comparitive to this year's output or we are in trouble. There are no changes occuring in inf to make up production. where are we getting the combined production of Werth and Pat? Werth stays, who replaces Pat?
    jeff gross
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:26 AM, 11/05/2008
    You have to remember that Rollins power numbers were down last year. Also Feliz's HR numbers were down. He averaged 20 Hrs and 80 RBIs when he was playing with San Francisco in a pitchers park and in a pitcher-rich West Division. So both Rollins and Feliz power numbers will improve. Then you add another full year of Victorino and Werth and you should be in good shape. Jenkins/Dobbs and whomever they sign should take care of Werth's numbers.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:46 AM, 11/05/2008
    actually, jeff, werth's career averages, when projected over a full season, show him to be very comparable to Burrell powerwise. What makes me laugh is the notion of replacing Burrell with Werth, because you don't want two strikeout machines in the lineup in Howard and Burrell. Take a look at the numbers... Werth strikes out at a far more alarming rate than Burrell does.
    RollinsWasRight


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