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Monday, July 6, 2009

Should the Phillies sign Pedro Martinez?
Yes
No

The Phillies have decided to scout free agent pitcher Pedro Martinez, according to a source with direct knowledge of the situation. It is not clear exactly where or when they will take a look at Martinez, but indications are it could be in the Dominican Republic today, with other teams also watching.  The pitching-starved Phils, who were not previously interested in the veteran, have changed their mind and decided to consider him, though that does not mean they will ultimately sign him.

Martinez, 37, is 214-99 with a 2.91 earned run average in 17 seasons, and last pitched for the Mets. Last year, he was 5-6 with a 5.61 ERA for New York.
 
While past his prime, Martinez is, of course, one of the top pitchers of his era. The Phillies have explored trades for starting pitchers for most of the season and intensified their efforts after Brett Myers was likely lost for the season with a hip injury. General manager Ruben Amaro Jr. has not yet found a trade partner, and will now consider Martinez.
Posted by Andy Martino @ 9:34 AM  Permalink | 101 comments
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Posted 09:41 AM, 07/06/2009
fpcarolan
NONONONONONONONONONONONONONO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted 09:44 AM, 07/06/2009
ben715
No. Absolutely not.
Posted 09:49 AM, 07/06/2009
fan_in_jerusalem
okay, we've considered him and decided to pass. Next please.....
Posted 09:50 AM, 07/06/2009
Dennis O.
Pedro, you occupy a unique Statistical perch. I know of no other pitcher, certainly none who pitched after World War Two, who finished their career with over 200 wins and less than 100 losses. (Martinez is 214-99). with thatrecord plus about 3100 strikeouts,you won't have long to wait before you get that call from Cooperstown. My advice is to stay retired.
Posted 09:56 AM, 07/06/2009
Dull
To me it is a good move. Martinez wants big money but as the season apporaches the midway point his demands are more easily met. I would rather go with Pedro if he has anything left in the tank than trade Taylor or Marson for someones No. 5 rental who never had much in the tank in the first place.
Posted 10:01 AM, 07/06/2009
steve n
I'll take ANYONE already in the system over P Martinez, Jeez, he was a Met for goodness sake...and a terrible Met at that!
Posted 10:03 AM, 07/06/2009
EL Zorro
For the right price, they should consider him. Why not? I rather take a chance on him than send prospects for a pitcher who may give you the same results. He has big time experience. I take 75 to 80 percent of the old Pedro that whatever is out there now. Nobody else available as of now. And the price for one of the pitchers mentioned as available (Marquis) went up big time by being picked for the All Star Game.
Posted 10:08 AM, 07/06/2009
phillyinATL
I'd take 75-80% of old Pedro too... The problem is he's only got about 25-40 percent of old Perdro left...
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Posted 10:09 AM, 07/06/2009
PuPuMan
He was washed up 3 years ago, they'd be better off calling up someone from double A.
Posted 10:10 AM, 07/06/2009
Shabba Rommel
Um...are they kidding? If anything a bullpen position only.
Posted 10:12 AM, 07/06/2009
schwike
If they can get him for minimum salary and nothing guarenteed......Go ahead why not?
Posted 10:15 AM, 07/06/2009
fan_in_jerusalem
Zorro, I'm surprised at you. Surely you realize that any of our AAA prospects (and probably some of our AA ones as well) can pitch as well as Pedro can now. Why bring him in and not give the kids a chance? Afterall, he's not going to help the team in the future and these kids might.
Posted 10:17 AM, 07/06/2009
EL Zorro
Forget about the Cuban kid Aroldis Chapman. He is a head case and may be a few years from making the Majors. We already have a nice flame thrower Jason Knapp, who is 19 years old and is under contract. The Cuban kid is going to cost from $35 to $50 millions.
Posted 10:18 AM, 07/06/2009
towman
I would have taken him over Chen Ho this winter but his price was too steep. If you can get him cheap (minor league salary plus incentives) then do it. It he works you don't have to trade prospects or bring them up too soon. If he doesn't work out no big deal. I'd take a chance on Glavine too.
Posted 10:19 AM, 07/06/2009
mikeyboy
You've got to be kidding. Did not know Ruben had a sense of humor.
Posted 10:22 AM, 07/06/2009
2012 ~ Ron Paul
He pitched well in the World Baseball Classic...I'd take him
Posted 10:23 AM, 07/06/2009
fan_in_jerusalem
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Posted 10:24 AM, 07/06/2009
sillybilly
As my old pappy used to say, "He's a Day late and a dollar short"..Move Along Ruben.
Posted 10:24 AM, 07/06/2009
TheDude
Pedro: a HAS BEEN with an attitude. Wouldn't touch em with a 10 foot poll.
Posted 10:24 AM, 07/06/2009
Ed Feldman
Sandy Koufax is hurting from his Madoff experience and could be very reasonably priced.
Posted 10:25 AM, 07/06/2009
Smooth88
I would rather have Pedro Sanchez.
Posted 10:27 AM, 07/06/2009
brinkmang
Bring up Drabek or Savery...Pedro, forgedaboutit! He's done. Whatsamatta with Lopez. He's a proven ML pitcher that won 15 games twice for a rotten Orioles team. We need to fix the bench too. Dump Bruntlet, Coste and Bako. They are useless. Give Donald, Lou and Ciaro a shot. They can't do anyworse than that trinity.
Posted 10:29 AM, 07/06/2009
Ed Feldman
Bob Gibson will be at the All Star Game. Maybe Reuben can talk to him. He looks quite spry.
Posted 10:29 AM, 07/06/2009
EL Zorro
All I'm saying is that it's worth a look. If Pedro has his velocity back, and the medical staff gives him a clean bill of health, then go for it. He pitched in the Classic in February and looked pretty darn good. The reason he wasn't signed was his asking price when the economy was really bad. Abreu, one of the most consistent hitters of the last decade, got a pay cut of more than 10 millions from the Angels. Pedro was asking between 5 to 6 after coming of an injury. I know we have good arms in the minors and I have stated before that I would prefer bringing one of the kids than trade prospects for a rental. With Pedro, we don’t lose any prospects. If Pedro doesn’t work, bring one of the prospects and put Pedro in the pen. His stuff coming off the pen could be really good for 2 or 3 innings.
Posted 10:30 AM, 07/06/2009
Ed Feldman
Bob Gibson will be at the All Star Game. Maybe Reuben can talk to him. He looks quite spry.
Posted 10:31 AM, 07/06/2009
denjdenj
If Pedro is worth it, why aren't the Mets plucking him back up? I think all of us are tired of taking chances on washed up vets
Posted 10:34 AM, 07/06/2009
Dan is #1
sign him
Posted 10:35 AM, 07/06/2009
JBP
Step they must take at the very least to project to trading partners that they may go another way.
Posted 10:40 AM, 07/06/2009
bhs1944
towman, he can't get a minor league salary if he's pitching in the bigs. At best he would get the major league minimum.
Posted 10:43 AM, 07/06/2009
2Parm
Promote from within (see Noles, Bystrom and Walk in 1980). It could work again.
Posted 10:47 AM, 07/06/2009
EL Zorro
The Mets did not sign Pedro and are not in a hurry to sign him maybe because: first his asking price was high, second they went after their other FA Oliver Perez and Derek Lowe. They already had Santana, John Maine and Pelfrey. They're not in a panic mode yet becasue they will get 3 of their best four players back in Beltran, Reyes and Delgado soon, plus Putz and Billy Wagner and they are still very much in contention. They could be one of the team following Pedro closely the last couple of weeks.
Posted 10:51 AM, 07/06/2009
dirttracker
Wherever Pedro ends up, you can count on Fox to cut into whatever game they are showing to cover his first pitch....lets hope they aren't cutting into a Phils game...
Posted 10:53 AM, 07/06/2009
BobbyD
If Don Zimmer was a Mets coach I would say yes.
Posted 10:54 AM, 07/06/2009
craigaroo74
good lord, why not try and get Gaylord Perry while you're at it??...I hear he has some gas left in the tank.....
Posted 10:55 AM, 07/06/2009
Ed Feldman
Hey Reuben, two words. Satchel Paige.
Posted 10:56 AM, 07/06/2009
demise1893
He's only good for 5 innings. We don't need more burden on the bullpen.
Posted 11:00 AM, 07/06/2009
Philly Fan in Kuwait
Prospects for Cain...
Posted 11:03 AM, 07/06/2009
Dave34
Reuben learned well from his lessons at the feet of his former masters. This is a classic Phillies move because it satisfies two of their main criteria: 1. He was good once. 2. He's cheap. On the flip side, he is 9 years younger than Jamie Moyer so there's a plus. Probably throws just as hard too.
Posted 11:05 AM, 07/06/2009
EL Zorro
Oh yeah, San Francisco is going to trade Cain, after R. Johnson hurt his left shoulder yesterday.
Posted 11:09 AM, 07/06/2009
ConservativePatriot22
why not? we need another pitcher and why risk messing up a young prospect by throwing them in to the big leagues too early (gavin floyd). sign pedro and hope that he can pitch better than adam eaton and if he can you keep him if not release or trade him.
Posted 11:13 AM, 07/06/2009
fan_in_jerusalem
Here's some stats to chew on while thinking of why we dont' need Pedro. These are our SP prospects. Forget the w-l, but look at IP and bb/k. These guys are pitching into the 7th and have very good control it seems. I'm sure one or more of them can pitch as well as Pedro can right now, will cost less, and help next year as well. (note I didnt include Bastardo as he's bounced around so much and been both SP and RP that his stats are not relevent) AAA prospects Kendrick: 5-5, 3.46 era, 96.1 ip, 29/47 BB/K, 1.26 WHIP Lehr: 11-3, 3.43 era, 94.1 ip, 23/46 BB/K, 1.13 WHIP Carpenter: 7-2, 3.06 era, 94 IP, 29/67 BB/K, 1.29 WHIP Carrasco: 5-7, 4.70 era, 92 IP, 27/88 BB/K, 1.37 WHIP Carrasco (last 4 starts) 4-0, 25.2 IP, 8/21 BB/K, Lopez: 5-4, 3.91 era, 71.1 ip, 13/52 BB/K, 1.35 WHIP AA prospects Worley: 5-5, 3.59 ERA, 95.1 IP, 31/62 BB/K, 1.19 WHIP Savery: 11-1, 3.34 era, 91.2 ip, 41/62 BB/K, 1.32 WHIP Drabek: 5-0, 2.72 era, 39.2 IP, 16/30 BB/K, 1.29 WHIP (incl. 1 game in relief) Low Level prospects Yohan Flande: 7-1, 2.52 era, 82 ip, 24/67 BB/K, 1.17 WHIP Michael Cisco: 5-1 2.60 era, 52 ip, 11/37 BB/K, 1.10 WHIP Drew Naylor: 5-6 4.11 era, 87.2 ip, 20/64 BB/K, 1.27 WHIP Tyler Cloyd 7-3, 3.05 era, 88.2 ip, 19/77 BB/K, 1.23 WHIP Jason Knapp: 2-6 3.50 era, 79.2 ip, 35/106 BB/K, 1.13 WHIP
Posted 11:13 AM, 07/06/2009
DR Heller
Can't see why its a bad idea to at least look at him. Its not like were going to have to spend alot on him.
Posted 11:17 AM, 07/06/2009
LGbalsac
Why the heck not? He is not a bad guy, he was sucha great pitcher, that he is the type to runoff a streak of 10 wins, enough to get the Phils over the hump.
Posted 11:21 AM, 07/06/2009
Wayne from West Chester
i will take him for the no 5 spot since he only cost money and no prospects.
Posted 11:34 AM, 07/06/2009
kenny000001
NO THANKS
Posted 11:35 AM, 07/06/2009
TBS1921
If he's healthy and you can sign him for the remainder of this season only why not? Healthy and rested he may be the old Pedro for 1/2 a season.
Posted 11:38 AM, 07/06/2009
lacgak
Oh noooooooooooooooo - not him, this is a guy who hit an old man and he was a MET, a NY MET, we don't need no stinkin MET!!!!!!!
Posted 11:38 AM, 07/06/2009
Zero
If he's cheap enough, snag him as a back up. Currently, I think our 5 starters are all better than he is. But we could dump him into the bullpen next to Chan Ho as a 'just in case' guy.
Posted 11:39 AM, 07/06/2009
Dan in Holmesburg
Andy, remember I was the first one to bring this up over a month ago. Check your archives if you forget. You guys in the press didnt even ask Amaro until I said something.
Posted 11:44 AM, 07/06/2009
CapitanesFua
The Phillies management are just as usual, picking up every other team's trash. What a bunch of cheap morons. Instead of pursuing Peavy or better yet Roy Oswald from the Astros, we have to settle for this loser, good only for hitting batters. We have a Pedro Happy and don't need Pedro Wasted. Two Pedro's in one team, might prove to be too much. SAY NO TO PEDRO MARTINEZ, La Puta llorona.
Posted 11:52 AM, 07/06/2009
The Boston Strangler
wow, i didn't know there were so many out of work MLB GM's on philly.com. what's the harm in them TAKING A LOOK at pedro? why wouldn't they at least investigate it which is all they are doing? ruben wouldn't be doing his job if he didn't investigate. no, he's not the pitcher he once was, but if ruben and the trainers deem him healthy, you don't have to give up picks or prospects and he could give us a lift for 1/2 season. and to anyone saying our prospects or AAA guys would be better than a healthy pedro - you have no idea what you're talking about. this guy knows what it takes to pitch in the playoffs. rookies and cast-offs do not.
Posted 11:57 AM, 07/06/2009
Bobphxville
I guess we went with a wife beater - so why not an old-man Zimmer beater...
Posted 11:58 AM, 07/06/2009
PhillySubsMac
It doesn't hurt to take a look...bet his price has come down considerably over what it was in the spring. And I agree the Phils should show us something by going after the Cuban defector kid with the 100 mph gas. For later, not for now. Why concede him to the Yankees?
Posted 12:04 PM, 07/06/2009
Fozzie27
Can't hurt to take a look. If he's still got anything left, someone will take a chance on him.
Posted 12:04 PM, 07/06/2009
mick314
He could room with Moyer. They could play Bingo, check out senior discount restaurants, shop for Depends and attend AARP seminars in various cities.
Posted 12:05 PM, 07/06/2009
ESFjellin
If you can get Pedro for cheap, then do it. Right now, he might (and I use this word very loosely) be an upgrade over Rodrigo Lopez and maybe even Happ. Don't break the bank for him though as he clearly has lost a few steps. Plus, his groundball to flyball ratio is not CBP friendly. Other than that, who else is there that is available in terms of quality pitching?
Posted 12:12 PM, 07/06/2009
bobcitydoc
Good news..this means the Phils have balked at giving up their minor league talent...I would rather lose or squeak by this year and be good for the next 5-7.
Posted 12:14 PM, 07/06/2009
jman
Jerusalem, Those stats are meaningless (all that typing, and for what?). Most of those guys will never see the big leagues. (You've been listening to these philly.com columnists & bloggers too much). The Phillies should take a chance on Martinez, if only to keep him away from the Mets. Note to starry-eyed GMs here: We've already seen the best pitchers the farm system has to offer. (Bastardo? Kendrick? Carpenter?) Or do you think Amaro is saving the best prospects for last? A washed-up Martinez is better for the short term.
Posted 12:17 PM, 07/06/2009
Gmilst1
Ryan Howard Sighting: I was down in AC Saturday night at this club called "Dusk", and I saw Ryan Howard there. Went up to him, nicely asked if he would mind taking a picture, but got turned down. I'm okay with that, but why is he out in AC clubbing before a 1:30 day game with the Mets. Anyone think this is a big deal or are you okay with it?
Posted 12:24 PM, 07/06/2009
MrSinatra
Say no to Pedro!
Posted 12:28 PM, 07/06/2009
frankenslade
Pedro should take a lesson from Chan Ho Park and reluctantly accept a middle relief role. As a starter he'll only continue to kill the Phils' middle relievers. Let Milwaukee sign him to placate Ryan Braun.
Posted 12:32 PM, 07/06/2009
Stairs08
Why not? See if he can pitch, sign him to a lowball deal, let him prove himself.
Posted 12:34 PM, 07/06/2009
mdcasino
Make the deal with the Colorado Rockies for Jason Marquis. He'll be a free agent at the end of the season. The Rockies will not sign him. He's a perfect fit for the Phils. Good righthander who will do very well at Citz Bank.
Posted 12:41 PM, 07/06/2009
fan_in_jerusalem
Jman: you are so wrong. The phils brought up prospects based upon when they needed to pitch (turn in rotation, rest days etc) and who they thought could spot start. the best are Carlos, Drabek and carpenter. As for Pedor going to the Mutts, I'll even pay his tain ticket to get him there asap. He's a looser. Always was and always will be. Don't want him on our team, even if someone pays us to carry him on the roster
Posted 12:47 PM, 07/06/2009
shavoy
Who is Pedro currently pitching for if we are scouting him?
Posted 12:57 PM, 07/06/2009
dapmman
Pedro is done. I was a big fan way back. But he has nothing left. There are only so many years you can pitch at major league level. Both Pedro and Glavine are past that time.
Posted 12:59 PM, 07/06/2009
MattPSU
NO. The Phils have a number of prospects that would be better than a burned out Pedro at this point. There's a reason that him and Glavine are sitting on the sidelines this far into the season with no takers yet. They are both done for good and in denial.
Posted 01:02 PM, 07/06/2009
PSU DEJA BLUE
Guys who are writing of Pedro need to wake up. First off, he's probably not going to cost much at this point. If the Phils' scouts think he has something left in the tank, why not give him a small salary and see if it works out? If he fails, you only lost out on some money. Better than trading away prospects for some rental arm that may not work out anyway.
Posted 01:05 PM, 07/06/2009
wmontanez27
I believe using the young guys. Let them pitch.
Posted 01:07 PM, 07/06/2009
wmontanez27
I believe in using the young guys. Let them pitch.
Posted 01:27 PM, 07/06/2009
Digifant
get him. an old Pedro is better than a good & healthy Myers.
Posted 01:38 PM, 07/06/2009
SilverCTS
I'd give him a shot. If he can't pitch, then cut him. No big deal.
Posted 01:46 PM, 07/06/2009
Fire Man
I completely forgot that the through old man Zimmerman by the head. Sign this guy immediately!
Posted 01:53 PM, 07/06/2009
jimmy41
no, no, our young pitchers are better.
Posted 02:04 PM, 07/06/2009
KMG
They're scouting him, for goodness sake- they haven't signed him. Everyone going crazy on this blog would kill Amaro if Pedro signed with another team, he did well and Amaro didn't look at him. It can't hurt to take a look.
Posted 02:12 PM, 07/06/2009
nphillyguy
Pedro for a half of a season, what a deal, are you kidding me ? I hope they jump all over it !
Posted 02:13 PM, 07/06/2009
thewiseone
Do you really think there are "front-office lackeys" in on player personnel meetings? Youknownothing . . .
Posted 02:22 PM, 07/06/2009
Will.i.Am
Id def give martinez a chance, we need a pitcher, he sucked as a met, but you're judged by the company you keep. LOL . If he is with winners, maybe he'll be the old Pedro and win again !
Posted 02:32 PM, 07/06/2009
Will.i.Am
Gmilst1- Howard was not there, you're an idiot.
Posted 02:35 PM, 07/06/2009
phigglesfan75
The missed message here is there isn't much for tradable talent. This could be a good thing. It m ight mean that Amaro is not willing to drain our minor league system for a stop gap fix. I say sign him if the price is right. I wuld prefer they didn't rush ouir talented AAA, AA pitchers up to fill holes right now.
Posted 02:41 PM, 07/06/2009
mannoman
Pedro? I'm not crazy about that idea. OMG I hope they never trade Taylor - He has STAR written all over him. The Phillies current outfield and future outfield (Mayberry & Taylor) is very strong. We have a lot of up and coming talent, I hope they get to play for us and not some other team.
Posted 02:48 PM, 07/06/2009
Gmilst1
Will.i.Am, Ryan Howard was there. 100%. People were following him around. I left at 2am and he was still there.
Posted 03:33 PM, 07/06/2009
SPBilly
Not no, F--- NO
Posted 03:42 PM, 07/06/2009
dross
Pedro pitched well in the WBC. Money has been the reason why he has not been signed. You can't expect to sign a Cy Young Award winner for peanuts. But, only paying him half of a season would make sense. Name me one pitcher in the Phils whole system who have a better change up than Pedro Martinez from the right side? The fact that he has a Cy Young Award is something no active pitcher in the Phil's system can boast about, let alone see anytime soon. Look at his record and lifetime ERA. He is a proven winner even on the perceived down side. He is motivated and has something to prove, particularly to the Mets. The last time he was in a major league uniform, everyone knew that he was good for about five or six innings if you wanted him to last a whole season. Also teams knew, including the Phils, that if you did not get runs off of him in the first inning, your chances were pretty slim until inning six. Any agreement with him should include a clause for him to become a pitching instructor in the system, whenever it's time for him to hang it up. He would be a valuable addition.
Posted 03:44 PM, 07/06/2009
js1010
Bad idea... the Yankees are his daddy.
Posted 03:54 PM, 07/06/2009
jim715
i was intrigued by pedro, but its been years since he's pitched well, so id so no... the cuban could will cost more like 60 million plus, and he's not someone who could contribute this year.... i hear adam eaton is available
Posted 04:16 PM, 07/06/2009
philly56
schwike...ur right..get him @ verry low numbers...give nothing up...what have we got to lose?
Posted 04:19 PM, 07/06/2009
jwood
Sign him, worst case scenario you waste 5 million dollars, best case scenario you get a guy whose lost some velocity who still has great movement and can be tough in a 7 game series if he gets hot. . . oh and by the way the yankees WERE his daddy, not since 2004 tho
Posted 04:31 PM, 07/06/2009
philly56
get him cheap...take him..not much else out there & we dont give up anybody
Posted 05:02 PM, 07/06/2009
philly56
jwood..no way were signing him for 5 mil...it's the Phils...but if u get him cheap, why not?
Posted 06:46 PM, 07/06/2009
mick314
Hey Dross, not an essay contest. Its a matter of YES or NO
Posted 07:08 PM, 07/06/2009
psd
Can Kemp throw a baseball better than a Football? He may be a choice.
Posted 07:20 PM, 07/06/2009
Philsfan56
Pedro Martinez? No! No! No!. His arm was shot three years ago. If that is all the garbage that is available, stick with what you have. I think right before the deadline one of these teams will become sellers. But please, no Pedro.
Posted 08:00 PM, 07/06/2009
bigdaddyjimbo
Where's Kris Benson?
Posted 09:25 PM, 07/06/2009
NCPhillies
He's Outta Here! No Way !
Posted 03:27 AM, 07/07/2009
RUSHmusicfan
If the price is right, then, by all means get him. But if his asking price is this side north of Mars, then, let him stay retired. Don't EVEN consider our prospects in the minors as bargaining chips for a thirty - seven year old. We don't have to hurry. Let's carefully evaluate the situation before we pull the trigger on a veteran pitcher.
Posted 05:02 AM, 07/07/2009
baseballguy
Before we are going to sign someone like this (old/experienced etc...), I would hope that Ruben has at least taken a drive up the turnpike to see what Mike Mussina is doing...he could be a perfect fit for a winning club. No ego, does his job, veteran presence, better than most of our current rotation
Posted 10:21 AM, 07/07/2009
jockeygrrl
hahahahahahaha!!! hahahahahaha. go ahead, sign him. i dare ya! i hope he is as awful as he was with new york. hahahahahahahahahah.
Posted 11:22 AM, 07/07/2009
CenterCityPhan
Why not a one-year contract, see how he does? Not a lot of options right now.
Posted 02:29 PM, 07/08/2009
jab2093
For his age he did great in the world baseball classic so we should get him so stop hating on him you prob dont even know what your talking about
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Andy Martino is in his first season on the Phillies beat. A former New York City public school teacher and graduate of the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism, he previously wrote for the New York Daily News, where he covered baseball and worked with the award-winning investigative sports "I-team."
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