Why Vance Worley for Justin Upton might make more sense
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Why Vance Worley for Justin Upton might make more sense
David Murphy, Daily News Staff Writer
I just filed a column on this topic. You will be able to read it in the Philadelphia Daily News and on Philly.com on Wednesday.
Until then, meditate on this:
Now might be the perfect time to trade Vance Worley. Over at CSNPhilly.com, Jim Salisbury is reporting that the Phillies are willing to trade Worley and prospect Trevor May in the right deal. And that report makes a hell of a lot of sense. In early November I asked Ruben Amaro Jr. if it might make sense for the Phillies to deal a young, valuable pitcher like Worley in order to improve the lineup, and then worry about filling the void in the rotation via free agency. Amaro acknowledged the possibility (although, to be clear, he was not saying specifically that he would consider trading Worley. The question I posed was phrased as a hypothetical). And now might be the time to pursue it.
The market for position players is ridiculously overvalued right now. Shane Victorino at three years at $39 million (no offense, Shane), Angel Pagan at four years and $40 million, B.J. Upton at five years and $75 million. When Jonny Gomes is getting two years and $10 million, it is hard to imagine that there is value to be found anywhere.
The same might not be true on the pitching side of things. There are a lot more options, for one thing. The top of the market features Zack Greinke, Ryan Dempster, Kyle Lohse, Edwin Jackson and Anibal Sanchez. But there are plenty of guys who could fill in for Worley at a reasonable price: Shaun Marcum, Brandon McCarthy, Carl Pavano, Joe Saunders, and Kevin Correia. And, keep in mind, the Phillies have a pair of starters in Jonathan Pettibone and Adam Morgan who could be ready to get a shot at the major league level in 2013. Morgan, especially, is a guy to keep your eye on. One baseball person who saw him pitch mentioned Chris Capuano as a comparison. Maybe the Phillies even end up going after a guy like Carlos Villanueva, who could end up bolstering the bullpen if one of the young starters earns a spot in the rotation.
Point is, the Phillies clearly need to be taking the trade market seriously given the way the free agent market has unfolded. You read here earlier a rumor that the Phillies were talking about a Cliff Lee for Justin Upton swap. Amaro decimated that rumor, and I actually believe him. But I also do not believe that the Upton part of the rumor came from nowhere. And Worley might make sense as the major league tested pitching piece that would likely have to be involved in any Upton deal.
Everything that follows is PURE SPECULATION, but a package of Worley, May and one of Tommy Joseph/Sebastian Valle/Domonic Brown would make a lot of sense from the Phillies perspectice. I'm not sure about it from the Diamondbacks end of things. Maybe one of the catchers AND Brown?
Upton, by the way, is exactly NINE DAYS older than Brown.
Maybe Upton isn't the guy. Maybe Dexter Fowler is. Both have some red flags with regard to their home/road splits. Upton's OPS away from Chase Field has dropped from .862 to .790 to .767 to .670 since 2009. That being said, he has a .300/.344/.433 line in eight games at Citizens Bank Park. And Fowler's numbers are good at CBP too. The sample size is too small to affect any decisions. But the point is, a drastic home/road split doesn't mean a player won't end up hitting well in his new home.
Actually, the point is that the Phillies must pursue every potential angle to upgrade this team. And that might mean cashing in some chips that are easier to replace than center field and third base.
Jacoby Ellsbury is now available. Ruben was mumbling something about a left-handed bat to platoon in center with Mayberry in an interview on the MLB Network tonight. Boston needs a starting pitcher. Both Ellsbury and Kyle Kendrick will be free agents after the 2013 season.— Dull- Buster Olney tweeted on a 4-team trade that got discussion today. Although it's like constructing an aircraft carrier from a kit here's what apparently was going down:
to the Diamondbacks:
SS Asdrubal Cabrera (from the Indians)
P Vance Worley (from the Phils)
P Philippe Aumont (from the Phils)
to the Indians:
P Tyler Skaggs (from the Dbacks)
P Jesse Biddle (from the Philsj
SS Freddy Galvis (from the Phils)
OF John Mayberry Jr. (from the Phils)
to the Phils:
RF Justin Upton (from the Dbacks)
P Chris Perez (from the Indians)
3B/1B Michael young (from the Rangers)
CF Leonys Martin (from the Rangers)
P Martin Perez (from the Rangers)
to the Rangers:
P Jeremy Horst (from the Phils)
P Raul Valdes (from the Phils)
P Trevor May (from the Phils)
C Lou Marson (from the Indians)— Claudio Vernight - Omg the Phils give up a TON in that deal, but in all honestly the only guys i'd really miss our Worley/Aumont and Biddle. I like Upton and Perez as both fill a big need. Michael Young is old but doesn't get seem to ever get hurt, had his 1st real down yr last year(hit .277 last yr .338 in 2011 .284 in 2010), is it a start of a downward trend to the .260's or can he get back over .280. Can Young still play 3b? I don't know anything about Leonys Martin and Martin Perez so someone needs to help me out. — Stephen45
- Biddle is the part of that I like the least. Probably followed by Galvis. But those are some strong names the Phillies get so you have to give up something. All except Martin Perez would be definite starters. The other Perez (Chris) has been vocal about the lack of fans in Cleveland so they probably want to ship him out. He's been closing -- could be a very strong 8th inning guy if he's fine with that role. — s
- this is an old post, delete it— eddiot
