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Wednesday, November 19, 2008

So, the conventional wisdom is that the Phillies are limiting themselves to corner outfielders who also happen to hit right-handed.

But the conventional wisdom isn't necesarrily correct. When I talked to Ruben Amaro Jr. Friday night, he made a point of saying that the team was looking at all options, including those who happen to hit from the Western side of the plate. Which lends some credence to Newsday's report today that the Phillies are considering Raul Ibanez.

Why does Newsday care? Because the Mets are also reportedly considering the 36-year-old veteran. First, I wouldn't get too carried away. Expressing interest isn't the same thing as getting a date, if you know what I mean.

But for kicks and giggles, let's break down Ibanez.

Here are the things that make him attractive (in a baseball sort-of-way)

1) He is kind of a poor man's Burrell, in a left-handed hitting, Cuban desecendant, older man sort of way. He puts up solid power numbers -- 20+ home runs and 100+ RBI in each of the last three seasons. He isn't a great fielder, but can play the position. He is experienced.

2) He puts the ball in play, relatively speaking. He's hit at least .280 in each of the last eight seasons, and has struck out more than 100 times in just two of them.

3) He is coming off a season in which he hit over .300 against lefties. If you can't find a right-handed middle-of-the-order bat, perhaps you can find a left-handed one that has had success against the type of pitchers that give Ryan Howard fits.

4) He could be cheaper than Burrell. Ibanez made just $5.5 million this year. While he will likely get a nice pay-day from somebody, the Phillies could bring him in and still have some $$$$$ left over for a solid right-handed bat.

5) He is durable, playing in all 162 games last season, the second time he has done so in his career.

Here are some downsides:

1) He is 36 going on 37, and players can deteriorate rapidly at that age.

2) He wouldn't be a huge upgrade over Burrell in the field.

3) Though he hits for a significantly higher average than Burrell, his career OBP is 21 points lower (.346 vs. .367)

4) Though he did well hitting lefties last season, he hits .263 against them for his career. Still not horrible, of course.

That's all from me for now. . .

Posted by David Murphy @ 11:32 PM  Permalink | 14 comments
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Posted 04:25 AM, 11/20/2008
robm0202
I don't know if I would like Ibanez bc he is just another lefty, I guess if they were to move Jenkins or Stairs it would make more sense, but they would need to acquire a righty OF for the bench; Murph: Why haven't the Phils resigned Moyer yet? Have talks stalled or is he looking to see if other teams offer him more money or something? This is starting to worry me...it's pretty hard to replace a 16 game winner for the amount of money the Phils want to spend.
Posted 04:25 AM, 11/20/2008
robm0202
I don't know if I would like Ibanez bc he is just another lefty, I guess if they were to move Jenkins or Stairs it would make more sense, but they would need to acquire a righty OF for the bench; Murph: Why haven't the Phils resigned Moyer yet? Have talks stalled or is he looking to see if other teams offer him more money or something? This is starting to worry me...it's pretty hard to replace a 16 game winner for the amount of money the Phils want to spend.
Posted 04:30 AM, 11/20/2008
ronin32
Sounds like another Jenkins, plus a left hand bat when we already have Jenkins, Dobbs, and Stairs as left hand bats on the bench. Resign Burrell or go after a much younger Bradley.
Posted 07:26 AM, 11/20/2008
mick314
Ibanez is MUCH better option than Jenkins. Bradley is a bad option, high turnover in past five yrs, apparently a tempermental guy who could disrupt our clubhouse.
Posted 08:11 AM, 11/20/2008
Mark1npt
Cholly knows Bradley....Cholly can handle anybody.....Cholly knows chemistry....can you just imagine the number of fans wearing mustaches and top hats in LF stands next season? That would be hilarious and nobody would get it......
Posted 08:27 AM, 11/20/2008
Discostu
WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER OLD LEFTY!!!
Posted 08:58 AM, 11/20/2008
willy33
3) Though he hits for a significantly higher average than Burrell, his career OBP is 21 points lower (.346 vs. .367) Isn't it funny that we still even look at batting average as a statistic to measure guys? Do people still not realize the value of a walk? We could get into RBI too (a total function of your teammates and where you hit in the lineup), but that's for another day...
Posted 09:13 AM, 11/20/2008
David_Murphy
Willy33 - I agree BA is over-rated, but I don't think it is as meaningless as a lot of people have made it out to be. After all, you can't go first to third on a walk.
Posted 09:24 AM, 11/20/2008
Hammer859
Willie Taveras. Let him leadoff and move Rollins down to fifth. This idea sucks, but it is better than Ibanez.
Posted 09:57 AM, 11/20/2008
FLJERRY
Actually Hammer its a good idea. What I would not like Rollins batting right before Victorino, so I would move rollins second. Lots of speed up front and also with Werth and Vic 5th and sixth more speed there
Posted 10:04 AM, 11/20/2008
Wally 24
OK what we are really talking about is a replacement for Jenkins not Burrell. So you sign Ibanez and then package Jenkins in a trade for promising minor league prospects and be done with it. Then start grooming T.J. Bohn for the bigs now in winter ball and by spring he can platoon in right or left.
Posted 10:28 AM, 11/20/2008
tjc
1) Who is going to give you "promising minor league prospects" for Jenkins? 2) Have you seen TJ Bohn play? He hit .215 in Lehigh Valley this season. In 2007 he hit .249 across three organizations. What makes you think he's even close to being a serviceable major league player?
Posted 12:28 PM, 11/20/2008
robm0202
lol, yea wally what planet have you been on, Bohn is awful and is not in the Phils immediate future, if any OF is coming up soon its gonna be Golson, and we would be lucky if we could pay someone to take jenkins let alone get anything back in return.
Posted 02:43 PM, 11/20/2008
Mark1npt
Jenkins will be with the team next year and will actually get some good playing time....Taveras? Something's fishy there....he's been moved around and sat down quite a few times, never really panning out after his promising rookie year.....makes you wonder.....
About David Murphy
David Murphy joined the Daily News as its Phillies beat writer in February of 2008. Born in Upper Merion and raised in the Poconos, he attended college at La Salle University before taking jobs with the Myrtle Beach (S.C.) Sun-News and the St. Petersburg ( Fla. ) Times.

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