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Wednesday, November 5, 2008

I would be remiss if I did not mention the fact that I have spent the past couple hours watching the final stages of the Presidential election play out on the television screen at my hotel. I don't want to turn this post into a political discussion, because the beautiful thing about the sport of baseball is that it allows us to forget about such things for three hours at a time. But regardless of who you voted for, or who you supported, or what your emotions were as the night played out, it is important to note that everything you are about to read played out against the back drop of an event that will shape our nation for years to come. Baseball is a reflection of our nation, and Tuesday night was an indication of what makes our nation great. In the end, everyone who wanted it had their say. I don't want to go all George Will on y'all, but keep all that in mind.

1) There is nothing new to report on the Phillies' negotiations with any of the top three priorities on their list of incumbents (Pat Burrell, Jamie Moyer, Scott Eyre). I spoke with representatives of both Jamie Moyer and Pat Burrell on Tuesday, and in both cases the situation is the same. There is a fundamental understanding that the Phillies would like both players back in the fold. That said, no actual negotiations have begun.

2) The Phillies think Burrell will at least file for free agency. Going on what I have heard and who I have spoken with, I'll take that one step further and say Burrell will at least test the free agent waters. There was some confusion on the Phillies part. They at first thought Burrell had parted ways with California-based Greg Genske of Legacy Sports and hired Philly-based Ed Hayes. But that is only partially correct. Burrell is actually retaining the services of both. Hayes labelled it tonight as a "joint partnership."

3) So what does this "joint partnership" mean for Burrell? He has said since spring training that he would like to remain in Philadelphia. And in the wake of the Phillies' World Series run and the Parade, I think that desire has only gotten stronger. Anyone who watched him in the aftermath of the World Series win and during the Parade down Broad Street knows how much playing in this city means to him. That isn't just lip service, something Hayes emphasized tonight when we spoke. That said, it is a complicated situation. I don't think anyone knows what, exactly, the market will be like for him. The conventional wisdom is that he would be a good fit for an American League team looking for a DH. But Burrell doesn't like to DH. He likes playing in the field. He has expressed that this season. There are a lot of factors in play, which is why nobody - not Hayes, not Amaro, not Burrell, not myself - can really give an accurate prediction on how this will play out.

4) Why the talk of Jenkins, Stairs and Dobbs? It is pretty simple. The only two every-day right-handed hitting outfielders on the free agent market are, by my calculation, Manny Ramirez and Burrell. The Phillies would love Ramirez, but Amaro has heard the same talk out of Scott Boras that I heard today when the superagent met the press at the GM meetings. Judging by the rhetoric, Ramirez's price tag is going to be beyond what the Phillies judge as prudent to spend.

Amaro's exact quote: "Manny's probably the best offensive player that's been around for several years. That said I think, at least through the rumor mill, his ask might be beyond where we want to be."

(Although, keep in mind, Amaro is well versed in contract negotiations. And as a general rule of thumb, it does not help a general managers stance to say "We love Client X and will pay him whatever he want.")

I'd also direct your attention to a survey that Philly suburbanite (and ESPN baseball expert) Jerry Crasnick conducted with 15 front office execs. He asked each one of them to predict where Ramirez would land. None of them said the Phillies.

Beyond Ramirez and Burrell, the market seems thin. Raul Ibanez, Adam Dunn and, yes, Bobby Abreu are all lefties. Charlie Manuel said tonight that if the Phillies do not re-sign Burrell, they will need to bring in another right-handed middle-of-the-order bat. But after Ramirez and Burrell there aren't a ton of options. Which might mean a platoon situation in which guys like Dobbs or Stairs or Jenkins are matched with a similar right-handed bat.

5) Is Dobbs really a possibility in left? In short, yes. Manuel and Davey Lopes both think Dobbs' best defensive position is left field. That isn't to say they are giving up on him as a third baseman. In fact, they think he has made strides there. But if the Phillies don't wind up with an every-day right-handed bat, they will consider focusing Dobbs on left.

6) What about a trade? Amaro did not shoot down the possibility of a blockbuster such as the one that sent Brad Lidge to Philly during last year's GM meetings. Magglio Ordonez and Matt Holliday are both right-handed-hitting outfielders who play for teams who will at least listen to offers. I am sure there are more possibilities out there. That said, nothing is imminent.

7) So where does this leave us? Hey, as Amaro said today, "It's only my second day on the job."

Posted by David Murphy @ 2:03 AM  Permalink | 22 comments
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Posted 07:33 AM, 11/05/2008
EL Zorro
Actually, we needed a righthanded bat last year, in my opinion. That means if Burell leaves, we need two or maybe three righties, because So Taguchi is gone also. One option is to convince Tadahito Iguchi to stay as an extra infielder.
Posted 08:23 AM, 11/05/2008
RichNC
Hopefully we won't hear Amaro say, "It's only my second year on the job" after he does nothing this offseason. They need to trade for a young right handed outfielder. Not necessarily Holliday or Ordonez, but someone who can hit a little, if they don't sign Pat.
Posted 08:58 AM, 11/05/2008
05MustangGT
There's a guy playing centerfield in SF we could have kept, for a reasonable price, knowing Burrell would be gone after this year. Too bad we could not think ahead.
Posted 09:06 AM, 11/05/2008
EL Zorro
Yeah Mustang, and then what would have you done with Victorino and/or Werth? I don't think 50 millions is a reasonable price. The Giants overpaid for Rowand. He is an overrated player.
Posted 09:06 AM, 11/05/2008
EL Zorro
Yeah Mustang, and then what would have you done with Victorino and/or Werth? I don't think 50 millions is a reasonable price. The Giants overpaid for Rowand. He is an overrated player.
Posted 09:06 AM, 11/05/2008
EL Zorro
Yeah Mustang, and then what would have you done with Victorino and/or Werth? I don't think 50 millions is a reasonable price. The Giants overpaid for Rowand. He is an overrated player.
Posted 09:06 AM, 11/05/2008
EL Zorro
Yeah Mustang, and then what would have you done with Victorino and/or Werth? I don't think 50 millions is a reasonable price. The Giants overpaid for Rowand. He is an overrated player.
Posted 09:30 AM, 11/05/2008
wvbillz
And you're an overrated poster Zorro,....hit submit once...or is this only your second day on the site...
Posted 09:45 AM, 11/05/2008
EL Zorro
Not really, I've been posting for a few months. I have no idea why the multiple postings.
Posted 10:05 AM, 11/05/2008
Jeffrey
I love Manny Ramírez's bat but nothing else. This Phillies team has excellent chemistry and Manny would ruin it. Think T.O. and the Eagles.
Posted 10:10 AM, 11/05/2008
imafanregardless
the issue with Rowand was more the years than the dollars. He wanted a 5 (or 6)year deal, and that is longer than the Phils wanted to do. Not a bad move in my opinion (time will tell). remember just a few years ago Wagner left because we didnt give him the extra year. I'd say that was a pretty good call on the Phillies part.
Posted 10:16 AM, 11/05/2008
johnnysanz3
Manny would make the phils a 100 win team next season, chemistry is a tad overrated... besides Manuel and Ramirez go way back and are best buds.
Posted 10:26 AM, 11/05/2008
Flyguy12
Dobbs has a rag for an arm, my only concern w/him in LF.
Posted 10:26 AM, 11/05/2008
Frank Lloyd Wrong
Ramirez would kill the chemistry of the team. I can't see him getting along with Rollins, Howard and Utley. They're just different types of Baseball player. That being said, Howard and Utley would fit right in on the Red Sox. Do the math...
Posted 10:32 AM, 11/05/2008
wvbillz
Sorry Z, I've been victimized myself a few times, just giving you a hard time, it's been kinda tough to talk smack around here lately, I guess that's what a championship will do, any Giants fans out there?...
Posted 10:42 AM, 11/05/2008
imafanregardless
I think chemistry in sports(especially baseball) is a big factor. They play 162 games together and spend more than half of the year together. it is easier to put yor best ability forward when you gel with the people you work for and with. The 'Players Manager' can be very successful because he keeps all of the egos in check and minimizes the conflicts. I think if the Phillies didnt have the chemistry that they have they may not be the World Chapmions. im all for the right balance of chemistry and skill, but chemistry is important
Posted 11:42 AM, 11/05/2008
glennboe
Pat Burrell is not worth what he thinks he is worth. He is a baserunning and defensive liability. He is too inconsistent at the plate. Thanks for the memories, Pat, it's been great. And, Matt Holliday is overrated. Lets take a look at his career statistics away from Coors, shall we. Lets use the money on Magglio Ordonez or Manny Ramirez. Why not? Do you know how much extra money the Phils made by winning the World Series? How much more money they will make next year by the loyal fan base? Ordonez and Ramirez would be great between Utley and Howard. Another alternative, would be Milton Bradley, who could be had pretty cheap. He is a switch hitter, too. I think this clubhouse could control him. If management is apprehensive about his fragile psyche, I'm afraid then they will have to spend the coin in LF.
Posted 11:59 AM, 11/05/2008
RollinsWasRight
murph, you neglected to mention the possibility of a trade. Of course, Burrell and Manny are the only FA's who fit the Phils LF need, and it is unlikely at best either will be here next year, but that doesn't mean they cannot find someone. It is very possible they make a trade for a new LF or RF. They do have a couple of reasonably valuable trade chips in Ps Happ and Carrasco, as well as young position players who appear blocked on ML roster, in C Lou Marson and SS Jason Donald. Of those four, you could probably build a package around two of them to get a solid OF from some team looking to get younger.
Posted 01:47 PM, 11/05/2008
tgray83
Question: Did Milton Bradley fall off the face of the Earth? I'm just wondering why I haven't heard anyone mention the best hitter in the AL last year, who happens to be a free agent and plays corner outfield.
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Posted 09:42 AM, 11/06/2008
oldowl
is Juan Rivera of the Angels a righthand hitter? He strikes me as one of those stealthy pick ups the Phils could make that could pay off big in 09
Posted 03:15 PM, 11/06/2008
lentonc
nobody wants Manny Ramirez here. Sure he's a good hitter - but beyond that he is toxic for the clubhouse. In Philly we appreciate team players, and watching teams that get a long with each other. No need for that over priced tool in this dugout.
About David Murphy
David Murphy joined the Daily News as its Phillies beat writer in February of 2008. Born in Upper Merion and raised in the Poconos, he attended college at La Salle University before taking jobs with the Myrtle Beach (S.C.) Sun-News and the St. Petersburg ( Fla. ) Times.

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