Posted: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 8:43 PM | 15 comments |
 
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1. How long will he be down in the minors?

Manager Charlie Manuel at first said he thought Myers would be in the minors for three or four starts, but later he wouldn't rule out a return before the All-Star Break. Pat Gillick said he didn't know how long, "two, three maybe four starts" he said, maybe longer.

2. What the heck is wrong with him?

Seems the problem is three-fold. First, his fastball isn't what it used to be velocity wise. This in and of itself isn't a fatal problem. Plenty of pitchers throw in the high 80's and have success. But Myers has also lost control of that fastball, leading to pitches over the plate that opponents are killing (See Kinsler, Ian). Part of the problem is mechanical, at least according to Gillick and pitching coach Rich Dubee. Part of it is mental - if Brett tries to overthrow to get that velocity back, it affects his command. Problem is, trying to fix things in the middle of a major league season is like trying to do a wheel alignment on a car moving 60 miles an hour.

3. Who will replace him?

Nobody seems to know yet. I'd put my money on a minor league pitcher, likely J.A. Happ. Not that J.A. Happ is The Answer, but he is scheduled to pitch for Lehigh Valley Thursday, and he has pitched well this season, leading the International League in strikeouts. Manuel said the Phillies are still mulling their options. What other options they have, i'm not sure. They've sounded very hesitant when asked about giving a start to Chad Durbin. They don't want to mess up a good thing they have going in the bullpen. Also, if you ask Chad Durbin and Ryan Madson to both throw three innings in a game, that kills your bullpen for the future. I don't think Carlos Carrasco is ready.

4. Who will pitch Thursday?

Cole Hamels, per Rich Dubee.

5. Who will pitch Friday?

Likely the starter to be named later, though Jamie Moyer could. Manuel has said he wants Moyer to get as much rest as possible, and starting him Friday wouldn't be taking advantage of the off day earlier this week.

6. Is there any hope for Myers?

I'll let Gillick handle this one: "I think Rich (Dubee) has really diagnosed the problem and Brett has been slow to come around to really (incorporate) the suggestions into his wind up and into his delivery," Gillick said. "Hopefully not being at the major league level and not having the pressure to win, that he can work on the things he needs to work on, which is as I said before, location on his fastball. If he learned to control his fastball, he can be back here really quickly."

7. Could Myers head to the bullpen when he returns?

Only in a worst-case scenario. The Phillies clearly don't want that. For them to be successful, Myers has to be a solid starter, unless Happ or another minor leaguer comes up and sets the world on fire.

Posted by David Murphy @ 8:43 PM  Permalink | 15 comments
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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:56 PM, 07/01/2008
    Thanks a lot for the analysis, David. This is a very helpful follow up to your earlier post. What I find troubling about this issue (in addition to how overrated Brett Myers appears to be within the Phillies organization) is that as Gillick said, Dubee diagnosed the problem and Myers was resistant to instituting the changes. Call me old fashioned (I'm 24, btw), but when your employer tells you to do something, you do it. In this case, Dubee is clearly in a position to tell Brett Myers what to do, within reasonable guidelines, of course. As a fan, it's very disheartening to see a player who has already had so many temper tantrums and personality issues be completely stubborn to institute coaching suggestions at a time when he is struggling mightily. I really hope that the Phillies trade him for a prospect or two during the upcoming offseason.
    maximusud
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:00 PM, 07/01/2008
    Even if Gillick pulls off one of his patented trades where the incoming player contributes absolutely nothing then gets cut, I'd be more than happy. With Myers, its addition by subtraction. Do it Gillick, you old senile bafoon!
    Leron
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:33 PM, 07/01/2008
    Happ looked overwhelmed at the major league level last year. I hear he has improved this year. I hope so. Starting Durbin messes up the pen, not a good idea when Flash is so shaky. I think if Carrasco really has the best stuff in the organization, it's time to give him a shot. Also, before everybody buries Myers, give him credit for accepting the assignment to LV. A lot of guys would have been "too proud". Maybe this is some sort of personal growth?
    RichNC
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:33 PM, 07/01/2008
    Frustration with Myers is understandable but he does by all accounts have talent ----but also according to Joe Kerrigan is uncoachable--Dubee is much more diplomatic but said he is stubborn --but be that as it may, SP is a premium--and you pay a premium sometimes for damaged goods--so if his arm is sound , I think you have to keep on trying to get him right--also good to see Happ or whoever is sent--see what they have--interesting comment from I think DNL was the Phils offered Myers, Carrasco and Jason Donald for CC Sabathis --and it wasn't enough--the prospects are 2 of our best--and Myers has talent albeit it's gone south right now--seems a big package to me--
    kokomo
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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:05 AM, 07/02/2008
    People keep harping on Myers about teh weight, but I believ it's just that silly baggy uniform he likes to wear. If you see him after games, and in civilian clothes, he looks in good shape. Most guys covering the team say this as well. It's not the issue.
    guit10
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:05 AM, 07/02/2008
    People keep harping on Myers about teh weight, but I believ it's just that silly baggy uniform he likes to wear. If you see him after games, and in civilian clothes, he looks in good shape. Most guys covering the team say this as well. It's not the issue.
    guit10
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:41 AM, 07/02/2008
    Give Myers credit for saying, sincerely, all the right things about the demotion. All he has talked about is the team, his teammates, and doing what he needs to do to help them win. The bottom line is this is a guy who should be a closer. He's got the gun fighter mentality, and his abilities are suited to closing - rear back and throw it as hard as you can for an inning. Moving Myers to a team that needs a closer may be the only way to resolve this for both Myers and the Phillies.
    steveku2
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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:06 AM, 07/02/2008
    nickpa1("brett myers is a punk." Yeah, well you're an idiot. Myers has worked hard to swear off his punk ways, but you'll be an idiot for the rest of your life. Nice of you to contribute some intelligence to the discussion, ya dope.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:02 AM, 07/02/2008
    To me, while Myers has never been a mature sort--he was skilled-he has indicated a wish to go to the pen as a long term goal--if his fastball is down--can he be as effective as he expects? Seems that unless the FB returns, SP can handle a lower velocity better As a secondary result, pro players are treated like gold--perhaps this AAA affair may jolt some of the others who seemed flat--they looked better last nite? just a coincidence?
    kokomo
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:32 PM, 07/02/2008
    Brett Myers simply isn't mentally strong enough to be a #1 or #2 Major League pitcher. He consistently lets calls or plays bother him and seems never to be able to get the last big out in his starts. In the bullpen he is completely the antithesis, an absolute bulldog mentally and seems to thrive on the moment and that one inning of work. I strongly disagree with his demotion and would have thrown him in the pen, where, by September, he would be an invaluable piece to the Phillies strongest asset. Just like he was last September.
    dfirishman
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:01 PM, 07/02/2008
    Myers may not be mentally strong enough as you say--but if his FB is around 89--and he can't get folks out--how does that translate to the pen--Kerrigan, Johnny Marz--rest his soul, Mitch Williams, Gillick and Dubee all say his mechanics are off--his head flies off to the left--resulting in his ball being up and flat--seems to take him out of the spotlight and work on mechanics a reasonable idea--if he wasn't so high priced you'd cut him and look elsewhere--but a SP is real pricey--trying to fix whats at home more sensible --maybe I would see differently if anything I've heard of was enticing--but for CC--more than Myers and your 2 best prospects--no--they don't come with a 5 yr guarantee!!
    kokomo
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:17 PM, 07/02/2008
    nickpa1: That punk was on the mound when the Phillies clinched their first division title in 15 years. Fans like you give Philly a bad name.
    doorspj24
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:59 PM, 07/02/2008
    I absolutely hope Myers fixes things and returns to contribute this season. I've never thought he had the mental toughness or stuff to be a number 1 or 2 starter, but given the state of pitching in baseball today, he definitely could be a solid number 3 guy; and right now, even that's a huge help. As for cutting him or trading him, unless we can get a number 1 or 2 starter (CC with a contract extension sounds fantastic but unlikely) that's just not viable. Replacing him with Durbin or any unproven starter isn't going to help. Kudos to Myers for accepting the assignment. Kudos to the team for being willing to take this risky step. And BTW, Gillick's senile in-season trades have brought this team Jamie Moyer, Kyle Lohse, and Tadahito Iguchi (not too shabby if you ask me).
    PhillyCooke


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About David Murphy
David Murphy joined the Daily News as its Phillies beat writer in February of 2008. Born in Upper Merion and raised in the Poconos, he attended college at La Salle University before taking jobs with the Myrtle Beach (S.C.) Sun-News and the St. Petersburg ( Fla. ) Times. E-mail Dave at dmurphy@phillynews.com.

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