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Amaro on Happ: "He's going to help us this year."

The Phillies have made no secret that they are looking to upgrade their rotation. The problem they face in doing so is two-fold: First, Roy Oswalt is the only top-shelf starter who is definitely available. Second, the Phillies will not part ways with Domonic Brown, their only major-league ready blue-chip prospect, making it difficult to acquire anything greater than a middle-of-the-rotation arm.

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Amaro on Happ: "He's going to help us this year."

POSTED: Friday, July 16, 2010, 2:46 PM

The Phillies have made no secret that they are looking to upgrade their rotation. The problem they face in doing so is two-fold: First, Roy Oswalt is the only top-shelf starter who is definitely available. Second, the Phillies will not part ways with Domonic Brown, their only major-league ready blue-chip prospect, making it difficult to acquire anything greater than a middle-of-the-rotation arm.

What they could really use is an addition that costs them nothing. Even better, an addition that costs them nothing and is 12-5 with a 2.91 ERA over his last 30 starts while averaging more than 6 innings per outing.

Enter J.A. Happ.

The 27-year-old lefty had his season derailed in mid-April when he developed tightness in his elbow that was officially diagnosed as a forearm starin. In his only two starts this season, he threw 10.1 scoreless innings against the Nationals and Astros. But he also walked eight and racked up high pitch counts, then admitted to some tightness in his elbow after his velocity dipped into the mid-80's against Washington.

After a two-month absence and six inconsistent rehab starts, the Phillies activated Happ from the disabled list and sent him to Triple-A Lehigh Valley. At the same time, the Phillies increased their efforts to add a starter via trade.

In two starts since his demotion, Happ has allowed six runs on 11 hits in 10 innings. He has allowed two home runs and seven walks, and has struck out 14.

But general manager Ruben Amaro Jr. said the reports on Happ's latest start, when he allowed three runs in five innings with seven strikeouts and four walks against Louisville, were good.

"He started out a little tentative and then threw the (heck) out of it the last two innings," said Amaro, who added that his velocity sat between 92 and 95 MPH. "That was a good sign."

Is he a realistic option to bolster the rotation?

"Absolutely," Amaro said. "He's going to help us this year. I don't know when."

The two most positive signs out of Happ would seem to be the consistency of his velocity and his strikeout numbers in his two recent starts.

Last season, Happ went 10-4 wtih a 2.99 ERA in 23 starts after taking Chan Ho Park's spot in the rotation in mid-May. He averaged 6.1 innings per start and tossed three complete games. In his 21 starts from May 29 to September 29, the Phillies went 13-8. He pitched at least seven innings and held opponents under three runs eight times during that stretch.

"When he gets right, he's going to help us here," said Amaro, who added that the team "absolutely" is looking at Happ as a starter, and not a reliever.

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Placido Polanco went 3-for-3 with a double and 2 RBI for the Gulf Coast League Phillies early Friday afternoon. There is still a possibility that he joins the team in Chicago, although Amaro said before the game there were no definite plans.

"We'll find out how he feels after today and go from there," he said.

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Comments  (65)
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:01 PM, 07/16/2010
    If the Phillies want to deal and expect to get a quality arm in return they are going to have to do one of two things: trade Dominic Brown (get a mega-arm in return) or trade someone off their MLB roster---and no, Werth, Ibanez, Lidge, Baez, etc. are not going to get them what they want. Dealing off the big-league roster and getting a big-time pitcher in return is going to take someone like Utley or Victorino. They could probably make a big-time move by packaging Utley, Lidge, Singelton, Mayberry and J.A. Happ to SF in return for Matt Cain, Brian Wilson, Mark Derosa and taking bad the remainder of the horrible Zito contract. I think the Giants would do this deal but don't know if the Phillies should. I might not. It would give them a legit young starter who is only 25, a flame-throwing reliever who may or may not be the answer in the backend of the pen, a right-handed bat with pop who can play all over the place, and a 30 something soft-tossing lefty who's won a Cy Young 100 years and 10 MPH ago. It would improve the team right now (BC Utley's not playing) but who knows how it will play out. Still have the three outfielders and werth will leave as a FA and then Brown takes his place. Derosa plays 2B or 3B (depending where they play Polanco). Could work...any other realistic trade scenarios?
    Eilex826
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:07 PM, 07/16/2010
    The fact that you just mentioned Utley and trade in the same sentence should have you banned from commenting for the rest of your life!!
    Phinally
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:11 PM, 07/16/2010
    The fact that you mentioned Utley and trade in the same sentence should get you banned from commenting for the rest of your life!
    Phinally
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:16 PM, 07/16/2010
    That is the stupidest trade proposal since Cliff Lee for Philip Aumont, Tyson Gillies, and JC Ramirez.
    maximusud
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:26 PM, 07/16/2010
    Eilex826...please refrain from crack, it has obviously destroyed your brain. You ask for a "realistic trade scenarios" yet propose that ridiculous trade with SF. Time for you to star on Intervention.
    Phront_Runner
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:43 PM, 07/16/2010
    Wow...now theres an arm chair GM that needs to do MORE drugs. Obviously, the ones he is on right now aren't working.... I'm starting to sound like one of those Cliff Lee whiners, but...if this team hits like it did the last two years....we have no pitching issues.......trade Utley??!!!......shakes head and walks away
    dirttracker
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:46 PM, 07/16/2010
    Eilex826 - what an awful, stupid, unintelligent and uninformed trade scenario. Why would you trade what most consider to be the best 2nd basemen of his generation for a guy that plays that plays once in 5 days? Why would SF trade a young Wilson for old Lidge? Why would the phillies, who dont want to increase salary, take on Zito's contract?
    thegloryofoldstate
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:50 PM, 07/16/2010
    EILEX826 must be a mets fan..cocaine is a powerful drug
    KMOORE1333
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:52 PM, 07/16/2010
    What is a forearm starin?? Is this serious?
    jdld610
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:53 PM, 07/16/2010
    Mark Derosa is out for the year genuis. Way to not follow baseball.....
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:54 PM, 07/16/2010
    Nice, Howard just went 'yard'. Phils retake the lead over the Cubbies...anywho, if Haap can come back healthy, that would be a huge addition to the rotation. And if Blanton can get back to his consistent self, (like the game he is pitching today), then the 5 man rotation will be solid. I just don't see the Phils swinging a deal for a big time starter unless they do shock us and trade Victorino and bring up Domonic Brown.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:56 PM, 07/16/2010
    ...and Fat Joe just gives up a 2 run HR to Byrd. d'oh!
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:56 PM, 07/16/2010
    Wow, not sure what was worse, the trade itself or the explanation behind it.
    richards4captain18
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 3:56 PM, 07/16/2010
    Well if they don't trade Werth now, soon, his ave. will be a .230 and even a bag of balls will be a bridge too far! Trade him please. Oh and Kyle pitched from the Pen last night in the wipe out so perhaps they do think Happ will be back to rotate with Kyle the rest of the season. Of course, that means no PO but then with 45,000 a game, what they worry????LOL
    KGKoons
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:00 PM, 07/16/2010
    HOWARD & HAMELS FOR PUJOLS & CARPENTER. THIS IS REALISTIC RIGHT?? Any other realistic trade scenarios?????????? ha
    Punk19
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:05 PM, 07/16/2010
    Could he help us today? Like, uh, now - in the 7th inning of another butcher job by Fat Joe? I can't watch much more of this garbage.
    EaglesWest
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:05 PM, 07/16/2010
    Besides that genius, Mark DeRosa is out for the rest of the season with a wrist injury.
    richards4captain18
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:07 PM, 07/16/2010
    Look, the reality is that it won't matter what they do this year. They over-valued their pitching staff which led to the Lee trade. When you trade a former 22 game winner/Cy Young recipient you deserve to have it ridiculed forever. Personally, I believe this will result in what will later be known around here as the curse of Cliff Lee. After that, Management simply crossed their fingers and relied on bounceback years from key players like Lidge, Ibanez, and Blanton, and hoped Dobbs would rebound to 2008 form. NONE of those players will EVER repeat their 2008 seasons and a savvy GM should have been looking to upgrade those slots in the off season. I mean, how long to you hold on to Greg Dobbs. There had to have been a younger, higher-upside bench player available? Add in the injuries, the fact that the Braves DID go out and get quality role players and bullpen help, and the Phils run is over.
    26Fan
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:09 PM, 07/16/2010
    Tommy John.
    PhillySubsMac
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:29 PM, 07/16/2010
    No trades Happ-ening this year. The return of Polanco, Happ and Utley from the DL is all you're going to get.
    Rick Wise Guy
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:50 PM, 07/16/2010
    Unless this team really stirs the pot, they are done, done, done. They have locked into a bunch of stupid contracts which they refuse to unload. Until that happens, the only possibility is bringing up Brown to see if that might motivate these guys. It's not the pitching that is killing them, it's the lethargic hitting. Really tired of hearing the hitters comments about being a team and they are OK, when you consistently see the low hitting games they are producing. Trades would only take more away from the future right now and wouldn't help their problems. In any case it wouldn't hurt to bring up Brown and see what they have.
    cedara
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:55 PM, 07/16/2010
    Oswalt wants out of Houston, wants to be on a team with a chance to win it all for once in his career, and has a full no trade clause. Astros owner has said that he would pay some of Oswalt's salary and attempt to accommodate his trade wish. Ed Wade loves to trade for Phillies players. Houston needs not only reasonably priced pitching at the back of their rotation, plus players to fortify their current roster. In this no brainer scenerio, Ruben should package Blanton, Kendrick, Baez, and Werth and send them to the Astros for Oswalt and Pedro Feliz. Blanton, Kendrick, and Werth, who are all relatively reasonably priced would be an upgrade to what the Astros currently have and lighten the $16 million salary load of Oswalt. Oswalt would waive his clause to come to the Phils and provide the shut down starter replacement that they had in Cliff Lee. Feliz would provide the security blanket that Moyer needs at third base when Polanco is not available. They just need to get it done. A rotation of Halladay, Hamels, Oswalt, Happ, and Moyer. Such a rotation would put the Phils back on track. If Happ isn't ready, put him in the bullpen and get Pedro Martinez in here to stand in.
    dross
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:59 PM, 07/16/2010
    Bring back Brett Myers! At least he had FIGHT in him (figuratively and literally). LOL
    acerulli
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:01 PM, 07/16/2010
    ....an addition that costs them nothing. Even better an addition that costs them nothing.
    KINGOFZED
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:02 PM, 07/16/2010
    The only thing worse than Ruben's public statements, are his roster decisions. And of course, we are stuck with him as GM until at least 5 years after it becomes evident that he stinks (which became evident on December 12, 2009...the day he traded Cliff Lee for Groucho, Harpo and Zeppo).
    acerulli
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 5:28 PM, 07/16/2010
    I think philly.com should ban posters who post ridiculous trades.
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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 6:43 PM, 07/16/2010
    it is obvious eilex is NOT a phils fan and proposes ridiculous trades! just ignore. in the alternative ban eilex!
    liberty_bell
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:11 PM, 07/16/2010
    Madson !! Nuf said.
    mick314
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:27 PM, 07/16/2010
    maximusud gets the best response to nonsense with his retort, well done sir. At some point, isn't Ibanez going to have to be sat down for Dom Brown, if nothing else to see what we got? I mean, seriously, can't we say he sprained his ankle and put him on the 15 day DL?
    The Reddgie
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:22 PM, 07/16/2010
    Eilex, clearly you are not in possession of your faculties or the elixir that may cure the Phillies woes. Chase Utley retires a Philly like Jeter and the Yankees. Right now the best move is no move. Werth will turn around and we would miss him especially considering the coverage he provides to Howard hitting after him. Ibanez platoons with Brown next year in his final year. Victorino, Werth and Brown...good for a few Championships when you combine them with one of the best infieds in the Bigs. Add Happ to the unfortunate inevitable replacement for the great Jamie Moyer and the other 3 starters and we have the pieces for a few more years of greatness! Don't kick out a beauty for cracker crumbs and don't blow up a potential dynasty!
    mlogan49
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:30 PM, 07/16/2010
    The air in Philly must be somekind of mustard gas....come on, get real~!!!
    Lynnwood
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:40 PM, 07/16/2010
    The only way I trade Utley is if I get Robinson Cano in return... BTW, Charlie had an opportunity to start the second half on a good note after the 4-game sweep of the Reds by sending Halladay and Hamels for the first two games and instead he sent Moyer and Blanton. Then yesterday, when the game was close, he let Ibañez hit against a lefty with 2 men on. Today, in a similar situation, he let Francisco hit against a righty with a bench full of LH hitters, including the aforementioned Ibañez. How can anybody defend that?
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:46 PM, 07/16/2010
    Utley is a NO TRADE ITEM!!!
    Lynnwood
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:21 PM, 07/16/2010
    exile that may be the absolute worst baseball logic i have ever heard. you trade chase utley and there will be be blood in the streets. i really cannot even believe you took the time to write that. were you free basing or something?
    papadickel
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:46 PM, 07/16/2010
    and furthermore,..derosa is injured and you can't deal an injured player according to the CBA
    SyddBarrett
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:07 PM, 07/16/2010
    Why wont anyone tell the king he has no clothes? Ok, I will: Reub, this team stinks, injuries or no. --You have 2 S.P. of quality, then a bunch of junk --You have a Jeckel/Hyde bullpen with nary ONE consistent hurler in the bunch --You have a lineup that's been averaging about 6hits/game for the past 2 months. This lineup is NOT geared for runs w/out the long ball So, plan for next year and call this one a wash. Trade Werth and Blanton for whatever you can get for them, even it it's a 6pack of warm beer. When the season's over, thanks Moyer and give him his goldwatch. Get Lee back and pay him whatever he wants, for Pete's sake, and then, get some advice on getting something of value for the bench and the bullpen. Just, don't YOU make those choices, Reub
    Tracer41
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:29 PM, 07/16/2010
    The Phillies have to shed bad contracts before they can take on bigger salaried contracts through trades. Its that simple. Also, this team has to prioritize who they can keep, and who they should trade. I think you have to say that Halladay, Howard, Utley, Polanco, Ruiz, Happ, Victorino and Hamels are the only untouchable players. Happ, Victorino and Hamels are listed as such due to their lower salaries at this point in their careers. Especially Hamels should be tradeable a few years from now. The fans have let go any affection from the 2008 squad if they want to get back to the World Series. While Rollins will provide the occasional timely hit, his better days with the team are over. Also, Lidge, Blanton, and Madsen are examples of players that are not performing at a level needed for World Series run. The Phillies have to shed themselves of these contracts before they can contemplate replacements because they are currently at the maximum they will pay for salaries. It isn't important that you get high quality in return. One of the smartest moves Pat Gillick made was trading Bobby Abreu to the Yankees, and got three low prospects, but he took $15 million off the books to go out and sign someone else. The Phillies need to do this now even if it costs them the post-season this year. Obviously, Werth is another player who will walk after this year because he will go to the highest bidder. He doesn't feel any loyalty to the Phillies, so a return in a trade has to be weighted against the possible two draft picks they will receive when he walks.
    RunningTheBases
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  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 6:12 AM, 07/17/2010
    maximusud, I think you posted that absurd trade yourself just to set up that great line.
    fla
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 6:59 AM, 07/17/2010
    This is Utley's club. He is The Man. I'm not sure I would make a major trade at this point. If it's the same Offense exactly one year from today, maybe. Right now it's the players, not the coaches or GM. The Phillies are like women who work in an office together long term, and go through there feminine cycles at the same time. This season most of them stink. Historically, The Phillies pitching historically seems to be one top line guy (maybe 1.5 this year), and the rest touch and go. They either have to increase payroll, or sit. I think it's still to early to break up the lineup. The bench is a black hole.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:00 AM, 07/17/2010
    Sorry for using "Historically" twice. A professional typer I am not.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:43 AM, 07/17/2010
    Not suggesting the Phillies should not try to at least tweak this team. But I am at a loss for what they can do. Werth is their RH power, and they don't have many trade worthy prospects. Also, I can't believe the lineup is really this bad.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:54 AM, 07/17/2010
    Good Job, Spider....first thing I exclaimed when I read the first post was that DeRosa had season ending surgery weeks ago! Hello, Eilex??!!! Regarding the article....Happ is not the solution this year. Oswalt can be obtained for prospects w/o including Brown. Contrary to popular opinion...the Phillies do have chips to play that could beguile Eddie Wade into dealing Oswalt...Mathieson being one of them.
    Nigel#1
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:54 AM, 07/17/2010
    Good Job, Spider....first thing I exclaimed when I read the first post was that DeRosa had season ending surgery weeks ago! Hello, Eilex??!!! Regarding the article....Happ is not the solution this year. Oswalt can be obtained for prospects w/o including Brown. Contrary to popular opinion...the Phillies do have chips to play that could beguile Eddie Wade into dealing Oswalt...Mathieson being one of them.
    Nigel#1
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:47 AM, 07/17/2010
    Over the last 2 yrs we have lacked what? A closer period. The starting pitching we won the World Series with had 1/2 the ability of what we have now. What else has changed? Offense you say. Bingo. Why even with the addition of Polanco, and others plus a rejuvenated Dobbs can't we hit, and more importantly, produce runs for a good rotation. Can you say manager. Yesterday, score tied found us pitching to the opposing team's hot hitter. WHY pitch to "red hot" Aramis Ramirez, who won the game for them. No one pitches to Howard in the same situation. Answer, the manager is asleep at the railing. If the announcers know Ramirez is red hot doesn't Charlie? At best he's a front man for others who are running the team. IN REALITY ITS TIME TO REMOVE THE MANAGEMENT OF THIS TEAM & START FRESH. Instead we are talking nonsense like trading Werth, Victorino, or others for starting pitching. The Phils need to find Arbuckle and re-hire him fast cause Amaro can't do the job. In the ninth yesterday Howard was up 3-1 and swung at the next 2 pitches to strike out. At least one of the 2 was a ball inside. Where was the manager there. I'll say it once again "RYAN HOWARD IN A GAME SITUATION DO YOU HONESTLY BELIEVE THEY ARE GOING TO PITCH TO YOU?" The difference betwee the greatness of Mike Schmidt and Ryan Howard is Mike would take a walk, laydown a bunt, and swing for a single for the team. Ryan has not gotten there yet. While they miss Utley in the field his bat was non-productive for the month prior to the surgery. Saying the loss of Chase is a major factor is just pure stupid. Polanco on the other had is a valuable piece but once again the manager uses the highest average to bat second. More stupid. Your gonna hear how the Phils haven't been able to field their starters as a unit for most of this season. That's true but didn't they have issues with injuries in "08" and still manage. Did they trade away players? No!!!
    Wally 24
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:58 AM, 07/17/2010
    This town became content with the ownership group bc of the success of 09 and 08. They reared their ugly head the day they traded Cliff Lee for Norm Peterson, Cliff Clavin and Frazier Crane. The fact is the true fan's we're crapped on once again bc of $$$$$$$$$$$. It is highly ironic that Ruben is looking for Starting Pitching.... When he gave away a proven world series winner who shut down the big bad Yankees on the grandest stage in MLB. They should have offered him the same contract Halladay received the day Halladay was signed and Lee would have taken 3 yrs for $60M bc he is not better than Roy. So don't get on Ruben for the trading off Lee, just the above clowns we received. He is another puppet like Ed Wade was. Sorry, the season was over in December when Lee was traded and they stuck with Lidge!
    philscheapowners
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:26 AM, 07/17/2010
    Ruben Wade on Lee: "He's not going to help us this year".
    younged
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:48 AM, 07/17/2010
    Okay, so apparently no one read the comments are the trade proposal I said it is a trade I WOULD NOT DO. Yes, Utley is the best second baseman in baseball, and no I would not trade him. But most fans---and I use the term loosely---write up trade proposals for such things as "give them Ibanez, Lidge and Baez for CLiff Lee...that should work" when in reality the other team would never agree to such things. The problem with most people here is that they do not understand that in order to make a trade work BOTH teams have to get something in return, MEANING THE PHILLIES WOULD HAVE TO GIVE UP TALENTED PLAYERS THEY LIKE IN ORDER TO GET SOMETHING THEY WANT BACK. You cannot make trades and expect to get talented, proven players back without given up the same. The trade scenario with the Giants is a fair one, although one I'd not do. People want someone to close games...Brian Wilson---not in love with his game---is an option. Matt Cain is a terrific young starter who is 25. The Giants have been entertaining offers for Cain for a couple of years now, demanding a quality hitter in return. Would they do Utley for Cain straight up? Maybe. But than you don't get the arm for your bullpen, nor do you get out from under Lidge's contract. The Zito contract is bad---he's got three years left---but if you worked the deal around it---got more prospects, change players involved, etc., it could be made to work. Pitching wins championships!! I've seen that written here many times. Fine, go get a pitcher. Get a top of the line starter, but you're not going to get him by trading Juan Castro and Greg Dobbs. Other teams want something of value in return. In essence the proposals I've read here sound basically like..."Let's trade the Phillies Michael Cuddyer and Joe Nathan for Roy Halladay and Jimmy Rollins" those are trade proposals the same as "Lidge, Ibanez, Castro and Dobbs for Cliff Lee."
    Eilex826
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 2:08 PM, 07/17/2010
    Pedro Martinez.......
    foreclosure11
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 6:25 PM, 07/17/2010
    And just for the record Chase Utley is not the most important player on the team. It is Jimmy Rollins' team and Ryan Howard is the most important player. Chase Utley has never carried them on his back for a month at a time where as Howard has. And Utley cannot seem to stay healthy for a full season---even when he's in the lineup he's usually hurting for at least 1/3 or each season. He's much like Chipper Jones...a great player who will never reach his full potential unless he can find a way to stay healthy. If you had to choose who would you take...Howard or Utley from this point forward?
    Eilex826
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 10:13 PM, 07/17/2010
    I think it would be wiser to keep him in the bullpen for the rest of the season, and have Rube do his stinkin' job, and find a decent number three..
    patrickstar
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:20 AM, 07/18/2010
    I have to defend Eilex for at least trying to be creative. It may be UNTHINKABLE in the minds of many to trade an oft-injured, possibly past his prime Utley (yes, he could be past his prime given the hectic way he plays) FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER, but I bet Phillies management would consider it for the right price. Might that price include a great young starter like Matt Cain? It's an intriguing thought, and I don't think people should unload on Eilex for having it.
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 9:27 AM, 07/18/2010
    Don't expect progressive thinking from Philly phans, where loyalty is overvalued. If Utley were traded....that would be a blockbusted to say the least....but mutiny can be expected. There was a guy who played for the football team here, past his prime, name was Brian Dawkins....
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 11:47 AM, 07/18/2010
    No defense to a blogger (Eilex) referencing (twice) in a posited trade someone on the DL for the rest of 2010 in DeRosa. Next time do your research; thanks for playing.
    Nigel#1
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:02 PM, 07/18/2010
    the giants are not that stupid to trade cain to the phillies, utley is probably not the best 2nd basemen in baseball it's r. cano of the yankees, utley's avg has dropped the last 3yrs and he wears down in the hot weather(he could be ready and help team when he returns because he is missing alot of the heat). phils still need a real closer" happ may help this year but kendrick is better now than blanton.
    only 9
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:43 PM, 07/18/2010
    "an addition that costs then nothing - Happ". David, this is just the kind of thinking shared by Phillies management. Happ is not an ADDITION. His return merely gets them back to where they were at the start of the season. This team needs REAL additions (whether by trade or promotions). The Braves and Mets have both added new players to their rosters. The only player of note that Amaro has ADDED this year was Halladay, and that was mostly offset by the bone-headed trading of Lee. OTHER TEAMS HAVE IMPROVED! The Phillies are generally content to rest on their 2008-09 laurels and see if they can get hot at the right time. That is not championship thinking, that is wishing and hoping!
    jman
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 7:44 PM, 07/18/2010
    Dave Clemons...thanks...I appreciate when someone says nice things. For the person who last criticized me for not realizing Derosa was on the DL twice (I only did once, and the moment it was pointed out I stopped; and Derosa is signed for next year as well I believe; I'm a Phillies fan and want them to win EVERY year,not just this year). Also...if I missed anything I apologize. It has been a crazy few months for me (on top of working like everyone else does my newborn has been in and out of intensive care)...I try to keep up as much as I can and think of ways to upgrade the Phillies for today and tomorrow. Trading Utley is not all the outlandish depending on what they can get back. Would you trade Utley for Tim Lincecum? Or Felix Hernandez? I would not deal him for a Dan Haren type, but one of the others, maybe. Besides no one here who proposes trades makes them realistically...it seems everyone expects other team's to offer their best players to the Phillies for the leftovers fans don't like (i.e., Ibanez, Lidge, etc.) In order to get talent you have to give talent, and Utley might be the most attractive piece in order to get a prized starter...
    Eilex826
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:04 PM, 07/18/2010
    If they're putting everything on Happ coming back to help, they're in trouble. There's obviously something more than they've found so far. His AAA starts haven't been anything to write home about. The Phillies have a 1,2 and 3 5's on the staff. I think they're cooked after two long post-seasons.
    kmon
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 8:56 AM, 07/19/2010
    forget the pitching---PHILLIES are not hitting--our pitchers can not hold the opposition to 2 runs every game--and when will we be getting a hitting coach?
    richweb
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:14 PM, 07/19/2010
    Eilex...you cant trade injured players and your logic behind ohh well utley isnt playing right now so it will help the team to trade him WTF. The fact you actually rationally thought of that horrible trade is astonishing. Moron
    Phillyphan26
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:25 PM, 07/19/2010
    Phillyphan26...you can trade any player you want, regardless of injury with the exception of players who have less than 1 year service time (in baseball, not in the majors), which is why you cannot trade draft picks. If a team is willing to take a player who is injured there is no rule against it. Why is trading Utley so out of the question? He's a great player, but he's always hurt. It's three years in a row now he has either missed significant time due to injury or played subpar ball because he was injured and wouldn't announce it until the end of the season. The team's two most important everyday players are Howard and Rollins. Howard's bat has gotten them to the playoffs the last three years and Rollins is the leader of team, who comes through when it matters. Utley's contract is reasonable, and a team that is forever looking for a hitter (i.e., SF) may be willing to part with a stud pitcher for him. I understand that most fans think with their hearts and not their heads, but you'd rather trade a guy a year too soon (and watch him tear it up for another team) than a year too late (and watch him suffer through the remainder of his career and be untradeable). The consensus had been that Utley would eventually move over to Howard's spot (1B) once Howard left and they'd find another 2Bman. However Howard is not going anywhere so if they were able to find another second baseman while Utley stayed why can't they find one now that he could leave? Nobody's untouchable, no matter how much of a crush the fans have on him. Utley and Dom Brown to Arizona for Dan Haren, Justin Upton, Kelly Johnson and Chad Qualls...
    Eilex826
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 1:52 PM, 07/19/2010
    Blanton for Carlos Zambranno----we need his fire. Then get Brett Myers---and we have the 4th of July every game.
    Romus
  • 0 like this / 0 don't   •   Posted 4:00 PM, 07/19/2010
    Carlos Zambrano? He's a complete nutjob. He's got a lot of talent to throw a baseball but by the time his immaturity goes away his skills will be eroding. I would not want him 2 states from Citizens Bank Park. And Phillyphan26...you call me a moron for suggesting to trade Chase Utley for one of the best young pitchers in baseball...why? And you say my logic makes no sense (Utley is hurt EVERY year; he never plays a full, healthy season; he is as good as he will ever get; good teams trade players before they lose their value---it's better to trade a year too soon than a year too late), yet you offer none of your own? What would you do to make this team better...for now and the future? And in order to make a trade work BOTH teams have to agree. Houston is not going to take Werth, Blanton and Kendrick for Oswalt. The Angels, Twins, Yankees, etc., would pay more than that. Give me a trade scenario in which the other team(s) will agree to it and reasons behind it before calling me a moron. That just shows your immaturity as well...
    Eilex826
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